what to use for first time user

**roidsssssss** · 10-10-2011, 10:22 PM

I can help myself to any ROID out there. Just not sure what to use or start with. I have never used and plan to. I did a lot research but still can't get a right answer.
Tren , Deca , d-bol, wins etc etc what do I use or stack. If I start with Deca and tren do I need test. Or just don't use Tren and use Deca with test.????????so hard and confusing

**SufferToReturnHarder** · 10-10-2011, 10:23 PM

Stats?

**roidsssssss** · 10-10-2011, 10:37 PM

Age 32
175 to 180 ins
5'3
Average mexican size.
Been going to gym for 3 yrs

**SufferToReturnHarder** · 10-10-2011, 10:43 PM

That's a lot of weight for being 5'3, whats your body fat percentage man?

**Nooomoto** · 10-10-2011, 10:50 PM

Got to be a troll.

**eastcoast112** · 10-10-2011, 10:52 PM

the search option is your friend. i've only been here a short amount of time and the amount of times these same questions get asked are astounding.

read up on the stickies and previous threads.

**vinmy004** · 10-10-2011, 10:53 PM

First cycle just use test e 250 twice a week , so monday and thursday. So basically 500mg a week. If u really want to run dinabol for the first 4 weeks to kick start ur cycle at around 30mg if u want to put on some bulk. But def DO NOT USE TREN ON UR FIRST CYCLE.

**SufferToReturnHarder** · 10-10-2011, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by vinmy004

First cycle just use test e 250 twice a week , so monday and thursday. So basically 500mg a week. If u really want to run dinabol for the first 4 weeks to kick start ur cycle at around 30mg if u want to put on some bulk. But def DO NOT USE TREN ON UR FIRST CYCLE.

I don't think you should be recommending him anything, until you find out more about his diet and training. I guarantee his bf% is much to high to start any kind of cycle. 180 pounds at 5'3 is heavy.

**vinmy004** · 10-10-2011, 11:01 PM

u cant determine some1s body fat due to there weight, they could be 200 prounds and bf be only 10%, i thought its best to tell him what not to take then him taking deca or tren as his firsy cycle

**SufferToReturnHarder** · 10-10-2011, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by vinmy004

u cant determine some1s body fat due to there weight, they could be 200 prounds and bf be only 10%, i thought its best to tell him what not to take then him taking deca or tren as his firsy cycle

I'm not saying you can perfectly determine somebodies weight. I said, you should wait to get more information before you through out any cycle ideas. He said he's "average mexican size". Does that sound like he's naturally put on a good solid muscular base? No. I aslo didnt say this guy is DEFINITELY to high in body fat. But most of the guys who post on here with his kind of stats are.

**roidsantana** · 10-10-2011, 11:11 PM

I am built on top and thighs. Just have some fat on belly. Not a hole lot. Like I said been going to gym for 3 years and take care of what I eat.

**roidsantana** · 10-10-2011, 11:21 PM

Really all I want is what's is.right to use to bulk up.

**roidsantana** · 10-10-2011, 11:25 PM

what no more...........thanks

**SufferToReturnHarder** · 10-10-2011, 11:33 PM

Well, I'm not trying to sound like a jerk, but I think you should keep a good diet, and bulk with food, not gear. 3 years isn't a lot of time training. If you insist on using aas, i'd go and take a look at the steroid profile forum. Do some serious, serious research, and then decide if you really want to use. I know you want to hear something along these lines " a perfect first cycle roid is___"

**Maxpower_sf1** · 10-10-2011, 11:33 PM

start with test just to see if you feel good on it since it is the base for most cycles. try to get as low BF before you start using

**SufferToReturnHarder** · 10-10-2011, 11:34 PM

But its just not that easy.

**roidsantana** · 10-10-2011, 11:36 PM

cool thanks

**roidsantana** · 10-10-2011, 11:38 PM

ok why did my firend tell me to start with tren , deca , and d-bol....thats how he started and he is big. i know differnt body matters he is taller big time but still hes fine.

**SufferToReturnHarder** · 10-10-2011, 11:50 PM

Originally Posted by roidsantana

ok why did my firend tell me to start with tren, deca, and d-bol....thats how he started and he is big. i know differnt body matters he is taller big time but still hes fine.

LOL. It's clear this guy has zero clue. Bro, don't start anything yet. Research..research..research..

**ata1979** · 10-10-2011, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by roidsantana

ok why did my firend tell me to start with tren, deca, and d-bol....thats how he started and he is big. i know differnt body matters he is taller big time but still hes fine.

Your friend is an idiot. Start with either Test E or Anavar .

**vinmy004** · 10-11-2011, 12:00 AM

talk 2 ur freind in 5 years and see if he still has those gains and what his body is like . also say if u take tren deca dbol and test for ur first cycle and ur alergic to one of them or react funny how are u goign to no which one caused it. start with test only but if u really want a second 4 weeks of d-bol is suggested but first should just be test e 500 a week, and get ur hands on same AI and SERMS there the most important thing, and if u dont no what they then u have alot more reasearch to do