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[luckytom]

hey guys i'm new to all of this and contemplating my first cycle.
a friend directed me here and recommended testosterone propionate.

i'm 18, 6 foot 1 and weigh 81 kgs or about 180 pounds.

does anyone have any advice and reccomendations? i have a solid routine and diet just looking to add more size...

[hankdiesel]

You are tall, skinny, and too young for steroids. Eat more and lift hard for the next several years and you should make some nice gains.

[luckytom]

how can you be too tall and skinny for steroid use?

[bigoz]

You've definitely got a lot of natural potential to tap into. 6 1 and 180lbs isn't impressive. I wouldn't touch aas until at least 21 and even that is pushing it. Also put on another 15-20 lbs shouldn't be too hard with the right diet and training. You'll set yourself up for some nice gains when you've got a solid foundation to build from.

[luckytom]

thanks bigoz! thats kinda helpful.
what sort of numbers do you think i need to be pushing before i considering roids?

[JohnnyB11]

Well for instance, I am 22 years old, completely natural, 5'9 and 185 at about 9% and i'm still not ready to go on "roids." I want to wait until I am 24-25 as everyone seems to keep mentioning that age as the minimum age. 185 at 5'9 is decent but still not good enough and at 6'1 it's not the best but nonetheless still a good start to build from. If you train hard from now until 21 or 22 you could easily hit 230 at 6'1. It's all about the healthy calories but unfortunately it's quite expensive and you need a job to get the money to buy the proper foods, but having the job sometimes makes it difficult to have the 6-8 meals needed so it's best to find a job where they don't mind you eating when not "on a break." Also, it's best to space out the meals every 2-3 hours at least, as apposed to eating what would normally be 2 or 3 meals in one sitting (I've done that before being compressed for time.) Head over to the diet section and from there you will learn what to eat and when. Little things like whey protein and plain old creatine monohydrate will help aid you on the way but more importantly, food is the key so if you can only afford either the supps or proper food, get the food. Give your body some credit man, peace.

[scorpion62]

To young for steriods go to the diet section and sort out your diet and you will notice a differance

[cro]

nice first post ....dont offer any advice if you dont know the protocal. 24/25 is around the right age to consider running a cycle.

You've definitely got a lot of natural potential to tap into. 6 1 and 180lbs isn't impressive. I wouldn't touch aas until at least 21 and even that is pushing it. Also put on another 15-20 lbs shouldn't be too hard with the right diet and training. You'll set yourself up for some nice gains when you've got a solid foundation to build from.

[user12345]

Way too young. At least 21 to juice, youre not done growing yet.

Eat tons of food and train hard. People underestimate both of those. Juice doesnt make u big just from using.

[denverpride]

Wait til you are 25. Read some stickies from swifto, he goes into science

[The Bear 79]

You've definitely got a lot of natural potential to tap into. 6 1 and 180lbs isn't impressive. I wouldn't touch aas until at least 21 and even that is pushing it. Also put on another 15-20 lbs shouldn't be too hard with the right diet and training. You'll set yourself up for some nice gains when you've got a solid foundation to build from.

Wrong. Educate urself b4 u try 2 educate others.

[The Bear 79]

Way too young. At least 21 to juice, youre not done growing yet.

Eat tons of food and train hard. People underestimate both of those. Juice doesnt make u big just from using.

Wrong. Educate urself b4 u try 2 educate others.

[The Bear 79]

Double post..............

[trix1000]

I would wait. IMO. but your going to do what you want anyway . you should do lots of research and listen to what the veterans are telling you. With food proper training and plenty of rest- all the natural test you have running through your body already you can gain good quality muscle-naturally until your body slows it's production of hormones. Then you can make the jump into AAS.

I'm no expert, sh1t I'm a 36 year old Newb myself man. Lol
But after all the reading, I'm starting to get the big pic.

[bigoz]

I never said it was ok or he was good to go once he hit 21 to start using gear. I just said I wouldnt touch it until 21 and even that is pushing it, meaning IN MY OPINION even at 21 you really shouldnt be considering it because theres too much natural potential to be utilized but for many they believe it's an okay age to start. And they're much more knowledgable/experienced people than in this forum. That doesn't mean he should start and doesn't mean he won't before 21. He's curious and like most curious kids they want to try.

Like another user said he's going to do what he's going to do. Only we, together, can guide him in the right direction.

[The Bear 79]

I never said it was ok or he was good to go once he hit 21 to start using gear. I just said I wouldnt touch it until 21 and even that is pushing it, meaning IN MY OPINION even at 21 you really shouldnt be considering it because theres too much natural potential to be utilized but for many they believe it's an okay age to start. And they're much more knowledgable/experienced people than in this forum. That doesn't mean he should start and doesn't mean he won't before 21. He's curious and like most curious kids they want to try.

Like another user said he's going to do what he's going to do. Only we, together, can guide him in the right direction.

The only people that think its ok 2 start AAS @ 21 are NOT "knowledgeable/experienced", they are idiots & other 21 year olds that hav already started or want 2 start. Let me guess, ur source told it's ok 2 start under 25 years old? Ur NOT "guiding him in the right direction".

[Lothario Hermes]

I highly recommend you read this

Article. http://ajs.sagepub.com/content/21/3/468.full.pdf+html

[Lothario Hermes]

Read this

http://ajs.sagepub.com/content/21/3/468.full.pdf+html

[SufferToReturnHarder]

I enjoy watching bear tear kids apart=)

[Sicko]

hey guys i'm new to all of this and contemplating my first cycle.
a friend directed me here and recommended testosterone propionate.

i'm 18, 6 foot 1 and weigh 81 kgs or about 180 pounds.

does anyone have any advice and reccomendations? i have a solid routine and diet just looking to add more size...

Welcome to the forum...As you have already experienced, you will not find information on using steriods at 18 yrs old will be provided. However this site has all sorts of educated info that will help you achieve your goals and stimulate your mind...Enjoy!!!

[luckytom]

thanks for the help everyone!