Can you A-dex & Nolva together

[maxwell78]

I tried posting a question about possible impending gyno but it said the thread had to be reviewed by the mods first...not sure why..i wasnt using any offensive language.

anyhow what i need to know is whether i can take a kickstart dose of nolva for 5 days [as recommended in warmachines thread] @ 40mg every day.

and still take the a-dex at 0.5 mgs.

my right nip started getting puffy today....about to start week 3 on monday of test E [500mg week]. just started hcg @250ius on thurs.

what do you think?

[dec11]

no, you will not need nolva alongside adex, when did you start adex and how often are you taking it? and are you sure it is legit? nolva should never be needed alongside it

[maxwell78]

no, you will not need nolva alongside adex, when did you start adex and how often are you taking it? and are you sure it is legit? nolva should never be needed alongside it

havent started it yet. was going to take it tonight starting at 0.5mg Every other day. i hope its legit. i havent tried it yet though. i got it from the same place i got my gear from and all my other PCT meds and HCG.

[maxwell78]

i just replied to this but again it needed to be reviewed before it can post. i dont get it...

[Matt]

I would be very surprised if its gyno on such a small dose and in such a short period of time..

However its better to be safe.....

Theres no reason why you can't start the nolva and would most certainly replace your adex, as Dec has hinted to, it could well be bunk. If your running the dex at .5mgs ed or even eod then gyno shouldnt be an issue...

[maxwell78]

I would be very surprised if its gyno on such a small dose and in such a short period of time..

However its better to be safe.....

Theres no reason why you can't start the nolva and would most certainly replace your adex, as Dec has hinted to, it could well be bunk. If your running the dex at .5mgs ed or even eod then gyno shouldnt be an issue...

havent started running the a-dex yet. i had the whole cycle layed out but it wouldnt accept my post. frustrating!!!

[Matt]

Ok then if i was you i'd just run the nolva, as stated start at 40mgs ed for one week then drop it to 10mgs for the remainder of your cycle......

[maxwell78]

and dont run the a-dex at all?

[raptorws6]

you wont need to take them both but adex is contraindicated for use with Nolvadex (tamoxifen), as Nolvadex lowers the plasma levels of Arimidex.

[maxwell78]

they accepted my post so if you guys wouldnt mind reviewing it...its all detailed out...thanks

[dec11]

Ok then if i was you i'd just run the nolva, as stated start at 40mgs ed for one week then drop it to 10mgs for the remainder of your cycle......

you reckon mate?

in my experiences, he'd be best off starting the adex. i'd tren related gyno flare up during summer and 7days into .5mgs adex eod wiped it straight out. taking the nolva will only inhibit binding rather than lower the estro like adex would.

i always used to rely on nolva for gyno control, i found adex a much more superior control, my gains took off like a rocket again, nolva during cycle would have made me feel sluggish before.

[dec11]

I would be very surprised if its gyno on such a small dose and in such a short period of time..

However its better to be safe.....

Theres no reason why you can't start the nolva and would most certainly replace your adex, as Dec has hinted to, it could well be bunk. If your running the dex at .5mgs ed or even eod then gyno shouldnt be an issue...

i would have nip itches in this time frame on anything above 400mg pw mate, some of us are alot more prone to it. ive a mate who can run 1g with no gyno issues at all!!

[Matt]

you reckon mate?

in my experiences, he'd be best off starting the adex. i'd tren related gyno flare up during summer and 7days into .5mgs adex eod wiped it straight out. taking the nolva will only inhibit binding rather than lower the estro like adex would.

i always used to rely on nolva for gyno control, i found adex a much more superior control, my gains took off like a rocket again, nolva during cycle would have made me feel sluggish before.

At the end of the day this is a personal choice, its all about what works better for each individual as we all respond differently, example nolva works better for me and adex better for you...

I like nolva better because many under estimate the importance of estrogen when cycling, without slightly elevated estrogen levels building new muscle tissue becomes almost impossible. The other thing to consider is the estrogen rebound from adex, because adex is only a blocker many including myself suffer a huge rebound once the cycle is over so we have massive amounts of estrogen when its not wanted.........

If i was estrogen prone and needed to run an ai from the beginning of a cycle then my first choice would be stane for its ability to kill estrogen, nolva would be my choice if gyno was my only issue.....

[dec11]

At the end of the day this is a personal choice, its all about what works better for each individual as we all respond differently, example nolva works better for me and adex better for you...

I like nolva better because many under estimate the importance of estrogen when cycling, without slightly elevated estrogen levels building new muscle tissue becomes almost impossible. The other thing to consider is the estrogen rebound from adex, because adex is only a blocker many including myself suffer a huge rebound once the cycle is over so we have massive amounts of estrogen when its not wanted.........

If i was estrogen prone and needed to run an ai from the beginning of a cycle then my first choice would be stane for its ability to kill estrogen, nolva would be my choice if gyno was my only issue.....

i cut my adex dose down gradually as per swifto's advice and was fine. i think 99% on here do well on .5 adex as far as killing estro too much.

as an example, on 250mg test e and 350mg tren a had my estro at 5x more than it should be according to a blood test, that is way too much estro to be floating around anyones system, nolva wouldnt have lowered that just would have prevented binding. i went on .5 eod adex and felt like a new man, lighter on my feet, slept better, the growing lumps under my nips disappeared and gains took off like a rocket again.

[Matt]

^^ Like i say, each to their own, if like many you like raised estrogen but not gyno then nolva, if you just want to keep estrogen and its sides in check then adex/stane... But remember adex and nolva can also reduce igf.....

[maxwell78]

i cut my adex dose down gradually as per swifto's advice and was fine. i think 99% on here do well on .5 adex as far as killing estro too much.

as an example, on 250mg test e and 350mg tren a had my estro at 5x more than it should be according to a blood test, that is way too much estro to be floating around anyones system, nolva wouldnt have lowered that just would have prevented binding. i went on .5 eod adex and felt like a new man, lighter on my feet, slept better, the growing lumps under my nips disappeared and gains took off like a rocket again.

can you tell me how i would taper off the a dex if running 0.5mg EOD, started last night. how long should i run it this way for.? i can't cut them more than in half so lowest accurate dose i can take it 0.5mg. what would you recommened.

[maxwell78]

also how long after taking the a-dex should i notice symptoms subsiding...ie: bloating, sensitive nips when cold..?

[sir.solidarity]

A-dex is a very strong compound.
If you're on cycle and have both I'd suggest running the A-dex alone at .5-1mg e/d for at least a week as it takes roughly 7 days to hit your levels.

Don't mix in Nolva as well.

[Swifto]

you reckon mate?

in my experiences, he'd be best off starting the adex. i'd tren related gyno flare up during summer and 7days into .5mgs adex eod wiped it straight out. taking the nolva will only inhibit binding rather than lower the estro like adex would.

i always used to rely on nolva for gyno control, i found adex a much more superior control, my gains took off like a rocket again, nolva during cycle would have made me feel sluggish before.

When an AI is ued and estrogen is controlled correctly, gyno shouldnt arise, nor should other estrogenic sides. However, if they do, I always suggest a burst of Tamox as well. I run Aromasin 10mg/ED or EOD (depending on cycle), so I also dont have to worry about Tamox reducing plasma concentrations of Arimidex.

Arimidex is outdated and I dont know why some still use it. Its also directly toxic to joints and quite harsh on lipids. Aromasin, in my experience, is not.

At the end of the day this is a personal choice, its all about what works better for each individual as we all respond differently, example nolva works better for me and adex better for you...

I like nolva better because many under estimate the importance of estrogen when cycling, without slightly elevated estrogen levels building new muscle tissue becomes almost impossible. The other thing to consider is the estrogen rebound from adex, because adex is only a blocker many including myself suffer a huge rebound once the cycle is over so we have massive amounts of estrogen when its not wanted.........

If i was estrogen prone and needed to run an ai from the beginning of a cycle then my first choice would be stane for its ability to kill estrogen, nolva would be my choice if gyno was my only issue.....

I'm not sure I follow here mate.

You shouldnt get a rebound of estrogen during PCT, or after. An eestorgen rebound only occurs in healthy eugondal males, when endogenous testosetrone has been increased (change in A:E ratio) and then the AI or SERM is rapidly stopped. Due to the extra testosterone it aromotases and there is nothing now blocking estrogen (AI/SERM). So what occurs, massive anounts of estrogen cause problems.

Estorgen is low during PCT, because endo. T is low. If your having some sort of rebound during this time, then your steroids are still active in the blood. Total testosterone is still high because of exogenous testosterone. Therefore, you should stay on the AI, get TT BW done and go from there.

The PCT start time for 1500mg/wk Test Enan for 12 weeks is NOT the same as the PCT start time for 400mg/wk for 12 weeks. TT takes time to come down and thats when we can restart the HPTA.

^^ Like i say, each to their own, if like many you like raised estrogen but not gyno then nolva, if you just want to keep estrogen and its sides in check then adex/stane... But remember adex and nolva can also reduce igf.....

The reduction in IGF is marginal. I'm talking 10-12% in studies. Add in the fact that exogenous testosterone INCREASE IGF, then you can kiss goodbye (not you personally) to the theory of the "AI's/SERMs reduce IGF and limit gains argument."

Your right Matt, they do reduce IGF, but it wont effect gains, not IMHO. No chance.

If estrogen is crushed to zero, then yes, that may hurt gains, but not that you'de notics.

can you tell me how i would taper off the a dex if running 0.5mg EOD, started last night. how long should i run it this way for.? i can't cut them more than in half so lowest accurate dose i can take it 0.5mg. what would you recommened.

Dont need to taper or Arimidex on cycle. Do your final shot of Test Enan, wait 10-20 days (depending on dose) to start PCT. Keep running the AI until 3-4 days out from PCT.