Clomid or Torem or Raloxifene! Help please which SERM with Nolva

[vinmy004]

Im looking to buy either one of these three from the AR site above in liquid form. Firstly which one would go better with Nolva tablet Form. Ive heard alot about Clomid but i really dont liek the sides, would the other two work well with Nolva and have less sides then Clomid or is Clomid the best out of them three. Also dossage would be appreciated with the one use suggest.

Also i live in australia, has anyone brought any from the site and had any troubles or will i be fine for customs?

Thanks

[vinmy004]

44 views on no respone?? anyone?

[wkwkw]

whats your cycle like? im in aus and ar is no problems with customs, order from them frequently

[vinmy004]

Thanks for the reply. Just a simple test e 500 for 12 weeks I got 30 20mg nolva and aromasin ( aromasin during cycle) but I want to take another serm with nolva to be sure. Which out of those 3. I no clomid is very good but the sides worry me

[wkwkw]

no point taking nolva with ralox or torem, you only need one. imo clomid and nolva is best for pct

[Swifto]

Tamox/Tore is an excellent combination, its what I use.

If you cannot find Tore online, use Clomid.

[MR10X]

hCG for PCT involves additional concepts. This is the timing of hCG in relation to other medications for return of HPTA functionality. Under normal conditions the HPTA is a tightly coupled dynamic feedback loop. It is this coupling that has to be achieved after AAS cessation to return to normal. The analogy I use is the starting of a car by pushing it from behind. Alone the care will not start but with pushing the clutch can be popped and the car started.

After AAS cessation the secretion of LH is nil. It will not be able to initiate T production until a certain stimulus LH level is reached. Studies have shown that the time for this to occur can be lengthy. Thus the idea is to ‘push’ the testicles with hCG and get them started. Once T production is initiated the dependent variable is LH. If the hCG is withdrawn without adequate LH to couple with the testicles return of HPTA functionality will fail.

The increased production of LH is achieved by a dual action of clomiphene citrate and tamoxifen. Clomiphene is a mixed agonist/antagonist (SERM) at the estradiol receptor. Clomiphene will increase the secretion of LH by action at the hypothalamo-pituitary area. Clomiphene will cause an increase in LH and secondarily increases in T and estradiol. Estradiol has a negative feedback influence on the HPTA. Estradiol is 200X the inhibitory effect of T per molar basis. Normal serum levels are the following:
In the over one-thousand patients I have treated for HPTA normalization after AAS cessation i have used the combination of clomiphene citrate and tamoxifen. I have used clomiphene citrate alone in many cases. I added tamoxifen to the protocol to see if I could get a better clinical response. This seemed to be the case although I have not had the opportunity to evaluate the data. When both compounds are used the clomiphene citrate is discontinued first and the tamoxifen is continued for 2 more weeks. as I stated in the post on hCG injections it is imperative to be tested while on the medications. thus one would be tested ~3-5 days before the tamoxifen expires. In the 1st stage described in the hCG post one tests for testosterone only. the serum T level determines whether or not the hCG is halted. In the typical situation the hCG is stopped and the CC & tamoxifen continued. the lab tests at the end of the oral meds is LH & T.


Tamoxifen will counteract the effect of the estradiol. Once the hCG is withdrawn the LH, initiated by clomiphene and tamoxifen, will couple with the testicles and take over production of T by the testicles. The levels of LH to maintain and couple with the testicles are maintained by clomiphene and tamoxifen. Clomiphene is continued for 15 days while Tamoxifen is continued for 30 days.

[wkwkw]

Tamox/Tore is an excellent combination, its what I use.

If you cannot find Tore online, use Clomid.

my bad, have never heard of this, what doses do you use the nolva and tore at? do you reckon its better than nolva/clomid?

[vinmy004]

Hey swifto what dosage do u run for ur pct with nolva and torem can u lay ur pct our plz. Also is the ar website not selling serms anymore!!??

[BG]

Im a Tore fan myself.

[vinmy004]

So what's. A good dossage for tore? Or should I just run clomid??