Wanted to report a successful recovery as a 19 year old using steroids.

[trev343]

I know im going to get a lot of crap from the members on this board, but I think its only fair that I report my experience using steroids so people can make a fair and unbiased decision.

I started a 10 week test e(500mg/week) and dbol 30mg weeks 1-4 in early January. My weight was 6'1 at 170 6% bf and ended the cycle at 7%bf at 191lbs. I added at least 75lbs to all my compund lifts and finished the cycle dumbbell pressing 110's for several reps.

I started nolva a 9 days after my last injection. During my pct which lasted 4 weeks, I noticed my sex drive was slightly down and I had less erections. But, I was still completely functional as any other teen my age. After PCT I only lost 4 lbs, and even lost some extra fat I had gained during the cycle.. It has been almost a year since I started..and I have been fully recovered making gains and able to have sex 6+ times a day if I feel(more like if my gf allows =P) ; and I am getting ready to run another cycle.. just wanted to report that not all of the horror stories are true, and even though I don't condone.. I just want to report an unbiased report of my cycle.

[shennen]

Yes. Steroids will work at any age, thats not the point. Dumb.

[VegasRenegade]

no one says one time will kill you see where you are in 5 or 10 years

[Granovich]

doesnt mean anything. im 23 years old and run only tren at 75 mg ed for 6 weeks or so. got completely ****ed. couldnt get a hard dick. then with pct and time after 6 months its perfect. and did my blood work. and im in the normal range. i wouldnt cycle again in few years. i was lucky this time my endocrine system didnt get hit hard although it shut me down pretty fast
i would advice you to wait. being successful doesnt mean it will be ok again
best of luck

[Far from massive]

Glad to hear about your succesful recovery. The thing is no one that I have seen has ever posted that if you use steroids at 18-20 years old you will definately damage your HPTA. However the chance of that happening while your HPTA is still under construction is much greater than it is for someone whose HPTA is fully developed. Also with each subsequent cycle the chance of damage increases.

Really while I understand you post its somewhat like going on to a MADD (Mothers against drunk driving) website and reporting that you drank a dozen beers and drove home and did not cause an accident and kill or cripple anyones children...while that may have been the case it certainly is no indication that your actions were rational.

[scorpion62]

I know im going to get a lot of crap from the members on this board, but I think its only fair that I report my experience using steroids so people can make a fair and unbiased decision.

I started a 10 week test e(500mg/week) and dbol 30mg weeks 1-4 in early January. My weight was 6'1 at 170 6% bf and ended the cycle at 7%bf at 191lbs. I added at least 75lbs to all my compund lifts and finished the cycle dumbbell pressing 110's for several reps.

I started nolva a 9 days after my last injection. During my pct which lasted 4 weeks, I noticed my sex drive was slightly down and I had less erections. But, I was still completely functional as any other teen my age. After PCT I only lost 4 lbs, and even lost some extra fat I had gained during the cycle.. It has been almost a year since I started..and I have been fully recovered making gains and able to have sex 6+ times a day if I feel(more like if my gf allows =P) ; and I am getting ready to run another cycle.. just wanted to report that not all of the horry stories are true, and even though I don't condone.. I just want to report an unbiased report of my cycle.

I just love a young active mind

[dec11]

I just love a young active mind

agreed,

funny he was 20 in june

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...t=#post5666503

[Times Roman]

disagree. using aas at your age, and the damage that may occur may not be noticed for a few years down the road.

disagree on the "non-biased" point as well. You WANTED to take aas, and you haven't noticed any sides yet. May not, we'll see. Your bias comes from the fact you wanted to take it. Had there been sides, I seriously doubt you would have been so open and willing to disclose your situation.

Critical thinking doesn't come easy. If you work at it, you'll get it.

Congrats on the no sides so far though...

----Roman

[trev343]

"disagree. using aas at your age, and the damage that may occur may not be noticed for a few years down the road."

can you provide me with some factual information that suggests that after a full recovery, you may then feel the effects down the road?

"Yes. Steroids will work at any age, thats not the point. Dumb."
Strong reading comprehension. The point of my thread, was to show that taking steroids at my age MAY not ruin you like others suggest. I only feel that the opinion on here is skewed and exaggerated.

"agreed,

funny he was 20 in june"

Wow strong post. I turned 20 in March.

[Times Roman]

another point mate, and then i'll leave this thing alone. I know at 19 you got all the answers, and us decrepit dudes, even though we've been doing this longer than you've been alive X2.5 for me,

but you come here, and against the advice of 95% of us, you, with your lucky streak of a cycle or two, seem to thumb your nose at us by saying, "See... maybe you guys are wrong after all. Maybe us kids aren't as stupid as we look". And then, with your "success" story, your actions, (not your words) seem to advocate the use of AAS for young people. I hear what you are saying, and to tell you the truth, it pisses me off.

You are more than welcome to do what you will, but to come here and run rough shod over everything we are trying to tell the other youngsters....

[trev343]

and I understand as an older dude, you think anything anyone younger than you says is immediately false. That's a similar characterization to what you just gave me.

I started several times in my first post that it was simply my experience with steroids.. and that they should take away what they want with it.

[Sgt. Hartman]

disagree. using aas at your age, and the damage that may occur may not be noticed for a few years down the road.

disagree on the "non-biased" point as well. You WANTED to take aas, and you haven't noticed any sides yet. May not, we'll see. Your bias comes from the fact you wanted to take it. Had there been sides, I seriously doubt you would have been so open and willing to disclose your situation.

Critical thinking doesn't come easy. If you work at it, you'll get it.

Congrats on the no sides so far though...

----Roman

^^^^Exactly. You could have permanently damaged your total test level by a couple hundred ng/dL and not even realize it. You could damage it further on each subsequent cycle and not realize how bad you fvcked up until you have all the symptoms of extremely low test, ie. depression, erectile dysfunction, low libido, etc.

Even if you got lucky and did beat the odds once, why would you take the chance, if you understand the risks, all over again?

[dec11]

"disagree. using aas at your age, and the damage that may occur may not be noticed for a few years down the road."

can you provide me with some factual information that suggests that after a full recovery, you may then feel the effects down the road?

"Yes. Steroids will work at any age, thats not the point. Dumb."
Strong reading comprehension. The point of my thread, was to show that taking steroids at my age MAY not ruin you like others suggest. I only feel that the opinion on here is skewed and exaggerated.

"agreed, yet another shit stirring pathetic troll

funny he was 20 in june"

Wow strong post. I turned 20 in March.

are stupid enough to not know you titled this '19'

you asked for cycle advice in june, did you bump into marty mcfly and go back in time to recover?

and btw you opened with '' i know im going to get alot of crap from the members''

you then post ''wow strong post''

which gives me and the rest of the board a legit reason to call this BS, and you a troll

[trev343]

I don't need to argue my point with people who have closed minds. Under 25's will read my post and take away what they want from it.

[Sgt. Hartman]

......

[rockinred]

I know im going to get a lot of crap from the members on this board, but I think its only fair that I report my experience using steroids so people can make a fair and unbiased decision.

I started a 10 week test e(500mg/week) and dbol 30mg weeks 1-4 in early January. My weight was 6'1 at 170 6% bf and ended the cycle at 7%bf at 191lbs. I added at least 75lbs to all my compund lifts and finished the cycle dumbbell pressing 110's for several reps.

I started nolva a 9 days after my last injection. During my pct which lasted 4 weeks, I noticed my sex drive was slightly down and I had less erections. But, I was still completely functional as any other teen my age. After PCT I only lost 4 lbs, and even lost some extra fat I had gained during the cycle.. It has been almost a year since I started..and I have been fully recovered making gains and able to have sex 6+ times a day if I feel(more like if my gf allows =P) ; and I am getting ready to run another cycle.. just wanted to report that not all of the horry stories are true, and even though I don't condone.. I just want to report an unbiased report of my cycle.

If your whole point is to prove that anabolics work and you didn't die after cycle... you really didn't prove anything here. Everyone knows they work. Whether or not it is a good idea is what your failing to prove. I don't think you accomplished something that you wouldn't have been able to prior to use and you just started messing with your hormones. Nothing you have listed above doesn't lead me to believe that you couldn't do this without the steroids at your age. You went from 170-187 in approximately 14 weeks. I went from 155 - 167 in Army bootcamp. 16 weeks. That has nothing to do with proper training and diet. As far as your stregnth goes... you will and are not carrying that same strength. So what are you preaching here? You save a few weeks or perhaps a month of time.

Look man. People on here are not stupid and hell bent on preventing people from being fit. There is a reason it is ill advised. I will say the same that you did. People can read these posts and take from it what they will. You are not accomplishing anything special with your post above that couldn't have been naturally with the amount of hormones you have in you and the changes that your body will still be making well into your 20's.

[wmaousley]

Successful recovery based on what success criteria???????????????????

[devildog1967]

There are loads of people that took AAS at a stupid young age and think its great,At the time !! But there are many of them that have to go on TRT at a young age cuz they have fvcked there own system up .

[Times Roman]

I can't count the number of threads started by youngsters saying, "I was dumb, I took AAS too young, and now can't get an erection. What should I do?"

[lovbyts]

Glad to hear about your succesful recovery. The thing is no one that I have seen has ever posted that if you use steroids at 18-20 years old you will definately damage your HPTA. However the chance of that happening while your HPTA is still under construction is much greater than it is for someone whose HPTA is fully developed. Also with each subsequent cycle the chance of damage increases.

Really while I understand you post its somewhat like going on to a MADD (Mothers against drunk driving) website and reporting that you drank a dozen beers and drove home and did not cause an accident and kill or cripple anyones children...while that may have been the case it certainly is no indication that your actions were rational.

or without consequences.

X2
Check back in 2 or 3 years and see if you can still say the same. Hopefully you can but there is no way to know if you have cheated yourself out of 1in or more of growth, if your future ED is related to doing a cycle at an early age. The warning and suggestions are not just for the known obvious and immediate side effects but also to help limit the possible future side effects or problems.

I have read post where people/kids come back 3, 6 or more months after a PCT and thinking everything is fine but now they are having problems. ED, itchy nips, gyno etc.

Like I said before best of luck to you.

PS,
Here you go, we see post similar to this almost daily and Ill guarantee you MOST people who have problems do not come back asking for advice or sharing.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...3-Freaking-out!!!

[Flier]

I´m curious, you say you are "fully recovered", what do you base that on. I hope not a hard dic.?
Your HPTA is still under development, for another 3-4 years. You just seriously disrupted the process. How will we/you know if the finished product now will be the same?
Heaps of members on this board, a couple in this thread alone, are on TRT for cycling too early/too much. Listen to experience.

[Matt]

To the op, well done on your recovery, please continue to get bloods taken but many people of your age do recover fine, not that i believe its the right age to cycle but this is your choice and your choice only...

Here we try to lay down all the facts and inform all members (especially the younger ones) of the potential risks. If you then still decided to cycle then you again will receive the best advice possible on your cycle and recovery...

Bets of luck to you and maybe next time you start a cycle think about doing a log....

If people have nothing helpful or constructive to say then please stay out of these threads......

[guitario]

If someone is hell bent on doing a cycle as a teenager they should at least be doing a damage limitation cycle. That being something which isn't too potent and which doesn't last longer than 8 weeks. Like another thread doing the rounds says, 500mg of test for 10 weeks is too much for a first timer at any age.

[ottomaddox]

If someone is hell bent on doing a cycle as a teenager they should at least be doing a damage limitation cycle. That being something which isn't too potent and which doesn't last longer than 8 weeks. Like another thread doing the rounds says, 500mg of test for 10 weeks is too much for a first timer at any age.

Your not getting the point, reread the entire post.

[guitario]

Your not getting the point, reread the entire post.

I did thanks. My comment is relevant.

[dec11]

To the op, well done on your recovery, please continue to get bloods taken but many people of your age do recover fine, not that i believe its the right age to cycle but this is your choice and your choice only...

Here we try to lay down all the facts and inform all members (especially the younger ones) of the potential risks. If you then still decided to cycle then you again will receive the best advice possible on your cycle and recovery...

Bets of luck to you and maybe next time you start a cycle think about doing a log....

If people have nothing helpful or constructive to say then please stay out of these threads......

have we gone that PC that even liars/trolls with two different ages cant be pointed out?

[Bigherm21]

That's great you think u made it out good. You wanna screw yourself up fine. The point I don't agree is flossing it influencing otther young guys that they'll be ok

[Lemonada8]

*whoa spam control ;-) first post actually seeing that... anyways back on topic

to the OP, you did a cycle when your natual test is at its highest during your normal life. Also you are young, you *most likely* can handle anything that life throws at you right and deal with it without many problems. I know that feeling, i love that feeling, i miss that feeling. The problems with using steroids at a younger ages is not much short term issues (minus I cant get it up... ) but with much more long term effects in your liver (digests the hormone, and dbol), lipid profiles (under severe hormonal control), cardiovascular (test enlarges your heart, so does heavy lifting... a big heart can be a big issue when you are older), blood vessels (clotting has some estrogen control, and with additional estro you can increase clotting factors), endrocrine (you are directly messing with your natural hormone factors which play a MAJOR role in fertility) and some others(musculo-skeletal for exampl, but those are obivous, hence why used them in the first place). The big key here is that they all come into play when you are older, like i said your body can handle just about anything.
hell im 26 and i am just starting to feel this age thing (yea yea not that old but still :-P)... i cant just go out and play intramurals and actually go hard anymore.. i have to stretch and warm up or else ill strain a muscle (just happened on saturday... ugh both quads) by pushing myself past the edge in a competitive mode to win.
Yes you feel immortal, and cant be hurt.. use it to your advantage but push yourself naturally. gains made at this stage in your life will stay with you for the rest of your life much easier than if you have to use 'substance' help which only hurts you in the long run.
I used gear at 23 y/o and 24 y/o, i dont have any regrets or anything but something ive noticed... after a year of not really working out much anymore (lifting wise) and eating as healthy, basically due to stress and other issues i had going on.. i shrank back down to my 'pre cycle' size minus some body fat. the size i gained when i was natural and lifting hard and such i kept. Now i am on the path to regain that size back w/o having to use gear untill i feel that i am ready for it. but by going through it already and being here on the board, and basically growing up my outlooks have changed and i am much more attune to situations and not have the rush of impulse (it still happens but not nearly as much :P) to try a shortcut to something i want to get.

It is good however that you did have some knowledge about using and PCT and such. and didnt go off the deep end in stacking and such.. .prolly part of the reason you have recovered fully (as of now). Thats the biggest concern, if ones mind is made up about taking the 'risk' AND you are informed in all aspects of that "risk" and what possible outcomes could occur, then more power to you and if you have made the sacrifice (shown by time sticking to diet and exercise), and have a goal you want to achieve then that shows maturity which then gets you respect and more help that can be of definate help. However, with most people that come on this site are disatisified with their looks and thats all they want (with the mentality of steroids are magic pills) then those are the kids who arent ready for AAS and would have very similar (albeit not total results but enough to change their outlook) results with a change in diet and supplements. Nutrition has come along way and if you area feeding your body with the best nutrition for yourself, then your body can take off in growth as long as you push yourself towards growth.

[Matt]

have we gone that PC that even liars/trolls with two different ages cant be pointed out?

Dec at this rate we will have no members left..

Nobody on this board has made it your responsibility to police the site. Most people here that lie about their stats which includes age is because they get such a hard time when they tell the truth. And when you call these people out, give them a hard time because of their stats do you think they leave this board with your name calling directing them away from aas, no they join the next site where they do receive the advice they were looking for and again we lose one more member..

You know at this rate dec in about twelve months time there will just be you here with a couple of staff members.... This is why the board owner has decided enough is enough and attitudes need to change. We need to attract new members whether they be old or young...

You wouldn't believe how many complaints we get about members calling newer younger members out, theres so many that are just to frightened to post and thats not right....

You need to chill, this is the internet for christ sake, we are trying hard to build a solid welcoming community not a place where we bully and bash young members. Listen im not keen on helping young members under the age of 25 out but thats what the owner wants so thats what i shall do, with a smile on my face....

[Matt]

That's great you think u made it out good. You wanna screw yourself up fine. The point I don't agree is flossing it influencing otther young guys that they'll be ok

So your telling me that the younger community can't think for themselves and the op has made their minds up for them??

Taking aas at any age can have serious health issues, so if your going to take that stance then you need to preach to all age groups....

[Swifto]

If someone is hell bent on doing a cycle as a teenager they should at least be doing a damage limitation cycle. That being something which isn't too potent and which doesn't last longer than 8 weeks. Like another thread doing the rounds says, 500mg of test for 10 weeks is too much for a first timer at any age.

Test at 500mg/wk isnt a "damage limitation cycle". Not by a long stretch.

You'de use androgens that do NOT aromotase first off. Why? Because they wont cause growth plate closure nor will they highly impact the HPTA (obviously 19-Nors are exceptions).

Tbol, Hdrol, Dbol+AI, Winstrol are some examples. Yes, they're oral only cycles and not including any form of testosterone. Herbs and Proviron can be used for labdio/energy.

[dec11]

Dec at this rate we will have no members left..

Nobody on this board has made it your responsibility to police the site. Most people here that lie about their stats which includes age is because they get such a hard time when they tell the truth. And when you call these people out, give them a hard time because of their stats do you think they leave this board with your name calling directing them away from aas, no they join the next site where they do receive the advice they were looking for and again we lose one more member..

You know at this rate dec in about twelve months time there will just be you here with a couple of staff members.... This is why the board owner has decided enough is enough and attitudes need to change. We need to attract new members whether they be old or young...

You wouldn't believe how many complaints we get about members calling newer younger members out, theres so many that are just to frightened to post and thats not right....

You need to chill, this is the internet for christ sake, we are trying hard to build a solid welcoming community not a place where we bully and bash young members. Listen im not keen on helping young members under the age of 25 out but thats what the owner wants so thats what i shall do, with a smile on my face....

slight exaggeration mate.

but, im out of Q&A now.

fair enough?

[MASTERMIKE 48]

I will have to agree with the others here that risking your future for a few extra pounds and a few extra looks from chicks in the gym simply isn't worth it! I started training at 14 years old and entered my first contest at 16! Took 2nd place at the teen level and beat other guys who were cycling so I'm proof that you don't really need it untill your fully developed! I took my first shot at the age of 46 and all the gains I made when I was natural gave me the edge in the present! Just wait bro you got many years to do what your trying to do right now! But if your going to do it any way PLEASE take the advice of the experianced here and at least do it right!

[The Bear 79]

So your telling me that the younger community can't think for themselves and the op has made their minds up for them??

Taking aas at any age can have serious health issues, so if your going to take that stance then you need to preach to all age groups....

Not ALL the age groups hav an undeveloped Endocrine / HPTA. And THAT is the basis / foundation of the reason we try 2 talk them out of it..................4 now.

[The Bear 79]

Dec at this rate we will have no members left..

Nobody on this board has made it your responsibility to police the site. Most people here that lie about their stats which includes age is because they get such a hard time when they tell the truth. And when you call these people out, give them a hard time because of their stats do you think they leave this board with your name calling directing them away from aas, no they join the next site where they do receive the advice they were looking for and again we lose one more member..

You know at this rate dec in about twelve months time there will just be you here with a couple of staff members.... This is why the board owner has decided enough is enough and attitudes need to change. We need to attract new members whether they be old or young...

You wouldn't believe how many complaints we get about members calling newer younger members out, theres so many that are just to frightened to post and thats not right....

You need to chill, this is the internet for christ sake, we are trying hard to build a solid welcoming community not a place where we bully and bash young members. Listen im not keen on helping young members under the age of 25 out but thats what the owner wants so thats what i shall do, with a smile on my face....

I'm not sayin it's OK 2 flame the newbs, & YES, I've been guilty of it myself, but when they lie & get caught in that lie, they're gona get called out, it doesn't hav 2 b a torching, but due 2 the fact that 98% of the reason they lie is cuz they're 2 yung, they do indeed need 2 b "called out", in an effort 2 educate them of the potential damage they can do 2 they're undeveloped system. Unfortunately, most of the time when u do call them out, they flip, they get cocky & mouthy & so begins the bashing.

[rockinred]

I'm not sayin it's OK 2 flame the newbs, & YES, I've been guilty of it myself, but when they lie & get caught in that lie, they're gona get called out, it doesn't hav 2 b a torching, but due 2 the fact that 98% of the reason they lie is cuz they're 2 yung, they do indeed need 2 b "called out", in an effort 2 educate them of the potential damage they can do 2 they're undeveloped system. Unfortunately, most of the time when u do call them out, they flip, they get cocky & mouthy & so begins the bashing.

Bro, are you seriously trying to educate Matt on what we do here? The bottom line is the board is shifting away from brow beating. If your advice is sound, leave it at that and it really won't matter whether a person states he is 20 or 40. It is just as easy to lie to get what you need. The focus will be to stop brow beating and give sound advice. Nothing to lose doing that.

[Sgt. Hartman]

I'm not trying to justify bashing the OP at all, but his criteria for "recovery" is ridiculous. He's basing a successful recovery on the fact that he still has a libido and doesn't have any ED issues.

At 19, he could have had a pre-cycle total test level of say 800 and now it could be 400 and based on his criteria for recovery, he would have no idea.

OP - I'm not encouraging you in any way to run another cycle at your age, but if you do, then you should get bloodwork done before cycle and then again 6 - 8 weeks after PCT in order to have an accurate gauge of recovery.

[The Bear 79]

Bro, are you seriously trying to educate Matt on what we do here? The bottom line is the board is shifting away from brow beating. If your advice is sound, leave it at that and it really won't matter whether a person states he is 20 or 40. It is just as easy to lie to get what you need. The focus will be to stop brow beating and give sound advice. Nothing to lose doing that.

I'm not tryin 2 educate, & I cant c how u deduced that from my post. I hate 2 say it, but I think this site is on the fast track 2 being a carbon copy of "those other sites", & I'd really hate 2 c that happen, this is great place 2 learn, & I hav 2 say, if we turn our head in an effort 2 salvage some1's feelings, then we will lose our credibility as the only site that cares 2 even try 2 help a yung user mak a wiser decision, & that's just 1 step close 2 being just like those other sites.

[Shol'va]

I'd say somewhere in there we can find a happy medium where we can just tell them about the dangers possible by doing them at an early age and then if they persist then reluctantly tell them what they want to know because if we don't they will find out somewhere else. And with the vets knowledge here, it's best to let them know the correct way to go about it by those in the know. I know if I were a teen and knew then what I know now I'd be on the net looking also and if a site told me I was too young and I still didn't want to hear it I'd just go to a site that would tell me what I wanted to know and join it. That's just the way it is and it's true. These kids coming here are asking because they are all set to do it come hell or high water and we are just not going to convince them to stop. So it's better to just tell them what they need to know and the proper way to do it. And hope for the best. And it's hard to tell them not to when so many others are out there doing it like the Zyzz crew and posting all over the place. Yeah I know he is dead, bad example. But you know what I mean. I have to admit that Dec was good at catching them in lies on their age and all though. He's a good detective..Remind me not to tell him any lies..

[Honkey_Kong]

I know im going to get a lot of crap from the members on this board, but I think its only fair that I report my experience using steroids so people can make a fair and unbiased decision.

I started a 10 week test e(500mg/week) and dbol 30mg weeks 1-4 in early January. My weight was 6'1 at 170 6% bf and ended the cycle at 7%bf at 191lbs. I added at least 75lbs to all my compund lifts and finished the cycle dumbbell pressing 110's for several reps.

I started nolva a 9 days after my last injection. During my pct which lasted 4 weeks, I noticed my sex drive was slightly down and I had less erections. But, I was still completely functional as any other teen my age. After PCT I only lost 4 lbs, and even lost some extra fat I had gained during the cycle.. It has been almost a year since I started..and I have been fully recovered making gains and able to have sex 6+ times a day if I feel(more like if my gf allows =P) ; and I am getting ready to run another cycle.. just wanted to report that not all of the horry stories are true, and even though I don't condone.. I just want to report an unbiased report of my cycle.

Well Trev, I want to know how you've determined you've made a full recovery. Do you have bloodwork both prior to and post cycling that indicate recovery? Because that's really the best indication. Being low-t doesn't necessarily mean you're going to have problem with your libido. In fact, I am being treated for low T and I never had a problem in that department.

And besides your testosterone levels, you may have still incurred other internal damage that hasn't shown symptoms yet. Heart disease, liver damage, kidney damage, etc. Those things aren't usually caused suddenly and you might now show symptoms for years to come.