My first REAL cycle: Need help from experienced users

[ground_pound]

Hello everyone,

This is my first post on this forum although I have been following it for quite some time. I have finally decided to take the "plunge" (no pun intended) and do my first real cycle of AAS. In the past I toyed with Winstrol , Anavar , Clenbuterol and Clomid but have finally decided to do a true cutting cycle and was looking for some help. I have been working out steady for 4 years, before that I used to play semi-pro soccer. I still play 3 times per week so I don't want to put on enormous amounts of size (although I know this is also diet-related) but rather get as shredded as possible. Based on my research I have picked 3 compounds which appeal to me. I have read that one should not use 3 compounds on the first cycle, as if side effects were to occur one would not know which drug is causing them. That being said, I have come up with multiple cycles and would like to get some feed back from the more experienced users on the forum. These are the cycles I came up with:
This was the original cycle I had come up with:
week 1-6 Tren Ace 75mg EOD
week 1-8 Test Prop 100mg EOD
week 1-8 Oral winny 40mg ED
week 9-12 a-dex 1mg ED
week 9-12 clomid 50mg ED

cycle 2:

week 3-8 Tren Ace 75mg EOD
week 1-8 Oral Winny 40mg ED
week 9-12 a-dex 1mg ED
week 9-12 clomid 50mg ED

cycle 3:

week 1-8 Test Prop 100mg EOD
week 1-8 Oral Winny 40mg ED
Week 9-12 a-dex 1mg ED
week 9-12 clomid 50mg ED

Stats:
Age: 25
Height: 5'8
Weight: 184 Lbs
Body Fat % 12.1
Waist: 32 in
neck: 16 in

Training: 2 Heavy days on, one day cardio only, 3 soccer games per week.
Mondays: 20 minutes cardio, quads, hamstrings, 20 minutes cardio, soccer game PM
Tuesday: 20 minutes cardio, chest, triceps, 20 minutes cardio, soccer game PM
Wednesdays: 20 minutes cardio AM, 20 minutes cardio PM
Thursdays: 20 minutes cardio, Back, biceps, 20 minutes cardio, soccer game PM
Friday: 20 minutes cardio, shoulders, calves, abs, 20 minutes cardio
Saturday: 20 minutes cardio AM, 20 minutes cardio PM
Sunday: routine repeats itself every 7th day

Diet: Breakfast: 200g Egg Whites, 50g Oats, multivitamin, fish oil, joint support, fat burner
gym
Post Work-out shake: 2 scoops Ultimate Nutrition Iso Sensation 93, 10g glutamine, 2 purple K caps
Lunch: 200g chicken breast, half a sweet potato, 1 cup broccoli
snack: 200g eye of round steak, 40g brown rice
snack: 120g tuna, half a sweet potato
dinner: 200g fish, 2 cups broccoli
snack: 2 scoops myofusion protein shake

did I miss anything? if so please ask......I am leaning towards the tren and winny combo at the moment.

[bjpennnn]

a tren and winny combo by itself would be retarded make sure to throw in at least some test prop 200mg ew you can def go higher on that dose. always want at least a hrt dose of test since the tren is going to shut you down hard.

[im83931]

I wouldn't go with tren for a first real cycle. I think the 3rd cycle is the best of the 3, but if it was me I would just go with the test prop, and keep the a-dex on hand only if needed and use clomid as above for pct. I think you could accomplish your goals with something that simple.

[gixxerboy1]

tren is going to kill your cardio. So i would forget that if you are playing soccer

so that only leaves cycle 3
8 weeks of winny may play hell on your liver and cholesterol. Some people it bothers their joints so again playing soccer this may be an issue,

I personally would just go test only

[ground_pound]

Hey guys,

Thanks for the quick responses. I have read that tren kills your cardio but most of my friends who have used it didn't mention that particular side effect. I was aware of the tren/winny combo being detrimental to your HPTA, but again I have 2 friends who use this stack on a regular basis and report only delayed ejaculation but no problems maintaining an erection. In any case I am opting for the safest route and I do trust this forum as I have been following it for quite some time. So based on this information:

weeks 1-8 Test prop 100mg EOD
weeks 9-12 Clomid 50mg ED

A-dex on hand just in case.....speaking of which, how do I know if I need to use it? do my nipples get sore? I don't want to wait until I have gyno to start trying to reverse it. This may sound like a dumb question, but I am an inexperienced user.

Also, I'd like to avoid water retention if possible which is why I chose Prop. If I continue training the way I listed above is it possible to lean out on prop only? is 100mg EOD too much for this purpose?

[10nispro]

Test prop 100mg/eod for 8 weeks will work fine. Water retention will be minimal and keep your diet in check. Also, if you want you can run the a-dex the whole cycle .25 eod

[bjohnson1968]

winny does effect my joints and tren does have an effect on cardio

You have never pinned and prop can be relatively painful...does the EOD pinning concern you??

you'll get less water retention running prop for sure just realize Prop can have some pain and you need to inject multiple sites to ensure a good injection rotation..don't pin the same spot within a 7 day period ( you can cut your gear with sterile oil to help ease post injection pain)

Diet and cardio will be the key to staying "lean"

I would add Nolva to your pct as well and consider running an AI during cycle....IMHO

Peace

[cro]

why would you run your adex after your cycle? use adex while on cycle for estrogen control.

[sir.solidarity]

Seems way to complicated for a first cycle.
Run test alone, maybe d-bol for the first 4 weeks if it's a long ester.

[ground_pound]

why would you run your adex after your cycle? use adex while on cycle for estrogen control.

Is .25mg adex enough while I'm on?

Should I still use it for pct at 1mg ED and Clomid 50mg ED?

[10nispro]

You can start at .25mg eod and bump it up if any signs appear or get worse.

don't use it as a pct. Nolva and Clomid for pct.

[ground_pound]

so basically:

week 1-8 Test Prop 100mg EOD
week 1-8 a-dex .25mg EOD
week 9-12 clomid 50mg ED
week 9-12 Nolvadex dose???

[lovbyts]

so basically:

week 1-8 Test Prop 100mg EOD
week 1-8 a-dex .25mg EOD
week 9-12 clomid 50mg ED
week 9-12 Nolvadex dose???

that looks much better and doable. Dont let your source talk you into more. Remember they are only interested in $$$ unless it's a friend then they are just uneducated about aas.

You can run your cycle out to 10 or 12 weeks also if you want and may have better results.

[bjohnson1968]

nolva 40/20/20/20

[Times Roman]

Seems way to complicated for a first cycle.
Run test alone, maybe d-bol for the first 4 weeks if it's a long ester.

Agree.

Welcome to the board GP
for a first cycle, it is highly recommended to run test only. I would never run two compounds you have never ran before at the same time. run the test. get to know what that does to your body, and become familar with it. next time, if you choose, run test and ....? The point is if this thing goes sideways on you and you get a reaction, it would probably be the one compound you haven't ran before. You've already ran the test and that was fine, so it probably wouldn't be the test.

I'm sure I'll be bumping into you again here at the board...
----Roman

[ground_pound]

Great! Thanks for the help guys I truly appreciate it. I will keep you all posted on my results with this cycle. My last question is with regards to gyno. I don't know if I'm sensitive or not for obvious reasons. I plan on taking .25mg of A-dex EOD as was suggested by one of the board members (sorry if I forgot who) but how will I know if I need to take more? will my nipples get sore? Sorry for the noob questions, I just want to make sure I've covered all angles.

Week 1-8 Test Prop 100mg EOD
week 1-8 A-dex .25 mg EOD
week 9-12 Clomid 50mg ED
week 9-12 Nolva 40/20/20/20

[jasc]

If estrogen is too high, your nips may become either sore, itchy, or puffy... and you may notice increased water retention.

I started without adex, they became sore. While on, if I missed a dose or 2 they became puffy.

If your estrogen is too low, you may have loss of sex drive, feel lethargic/tired, and have an overall lower feeling of well-being

.25mg is a good starting point and adjust accordingly.

[ground_pound]

If estrogen is too high, your nips may become either sore, itchy, or puffy... and you may notice increased water retention.

I started without adex, they became sore. While on, if I missed a dose or 2 they became puffy.

If your estrogen is too low, you may have loss of sex drive, feel lethargic/tired, and have an overall lower feeling of well-being

.25mg is a good starting point and adjust accordingly.

Thanks for the reply, much appreciated. Did you have any problems doing cardio while on prop? Shin splints? I found I was getting severe shin splints while on Winny, I figured it was the pumps. Being that I play soccer on a regular basis, I was wondering if there is any way to avoid this....

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

I'm at my fourth week prop &hgh right now and no prob at all with cardio don't worry.

[sizzlechest]

Tren is not a good compound for first cycle. Use test for sure, deca , EQ or just pick a good oral like winny, tbol, anavar etc...

[stpete]

Most Tren users, and this depends on dosages, complain about the lack of cardio. I'm included, but we sacrifice because of the gains Tren and a solid diet produce.
But i recommend Test Prop only for you. It's strong, fast acting and out of your system. Also, when using a fast acting ester like Prop, i start PCT 3 days after last injection. Seems to work good for me.
Good luck

[ground_pound]

Thanks guys,

Although I have used winny in the past, I'm going to run the prop on its own just to see my reaction to it. If all goes well, I'll add winny to the next cycle. Thanks for all the help, I will be keeping everyone in the loop on my results.

[gixxerboy1]

Seems way to complicated for a first cycle.
Run test alone, maybe d-bol for the first 4 weeks if it's a long ester.

have you ever tried to run while taking d-bol?

[ground_pound]

have you ever tried to run while taking d-bol?

I have never used D-bol period as I've never had the necessity for it.