Sustanon 250

[legalgear88]

Ok everyone I need some help I'm thinking about starting a cycle my first cycle I decided to finally join the dark side how should I do it and what kind of PCT and how long should I run it and anything else i was told to do Sustanon 250 for 12 weeks what do you think

[bjohnson1968]

I think we need more info

age
wht
hgt
bf%
yrs training
diet macros

[legalgear88]

I'm 6' 4" 215 been training for 6 years 23 years old around 8-10% body fat I think I'm in decent shape kinda...my bench is 335 1RM 435 on deads and only 335 on squats

[bjohnson1968]

do you have any idea how to construct I nice beginner cycle??? If the answer to that is NO I would suggest you begin by reading the educational threads at the top of this forum....

Do you have a full understanding of what effect steroids could have on someone your age...although 23 is better than others I have seen the general rule of thumb is to wait until your 25 yrs old...this is when most say you are save and fully developed..

[busch1606]

I just started Sustonon 300 last week at one cc per wee with 300 nandralone deca ate at same scedule.
I also am jump starting with 32 AD-50 Tabs at on a day. Stated AD early in the morning. Tomorrow it'll be AD, sustonon , & deca stack. I am worried about counterfeit and contamination
Can I send a pick backbone inwasnxx
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My concern is I'm 38 now and it's been ten years since I ran a cycle and I'm nervous cuz p.
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In my line of wo

[bjohnson1968]

What????

[legalgear88]

Well I'm in the medical field and I know all of the side effects from steroids and obviously I'm gonna do more research on what to take I have a friend who is really knowledgable about this stuff he has been doing em for years now I just wanted someone else's opinion and what should I take with it, I still havnt decided if I should do it I'm just trying to get as much Information as I can

[bjohnson1968]

Then you realize you need to pin sust eod to get the best effect right....Look I'm not trying to say don't do it..however you need to know what and how it needs to be done...

If you understand what is needed and your friend does as well what are you looking for here??? layout your planned cycle and i will be happy to take a look

[legalgear88]

I appreciate your input but i was hoping someone here would throw a cycle together for me I just want other opinions any ideas?I'm not trying to get crazy gains here 10-15 pounds

[auslifta]

Then you realize you need to pin sust eod to get the best effect right....Look I'm not trying to say don't do it..however you need to know what and how it needs to be done...

If you understand what is needed and your friend does as well what are you looking for here??? layout your planned cycle and i will be happy to take a look

This is not true, sust is perfectly fine to shoot E3D. You are going to have to research and come back with a proposed cycle and PCT for a review. Also get a diet sorted out in the nutritional section. Is your sust in amps or vial?

[zorro]

What's eod? Sorry for e noob qns

[martint69]

Hey guys i just wanted to know if these pills i got are real? What do u think about it? Thnks for ur answers guys...

[bjohnson1968]

This is not true, sust is perfectly fine to shoot E3D. You are going to have to research and come back with a proposed cycle and PCT for a review. Also get a diet sorted out in the nutritional section. Is your sust in amps or vial?

You noticed I said to get the best effect right eod is better than e3d...isn't it???

[auslifta]

You noticed I said to get the best effect right eod is better than e3d...isn't it???

Depends if he has amps(as alot of sust) or vials and how much he will be running. Since it's his first, if he has amps EOD(every other day) Could have him shooting 1G a week, unless he wanted to waste the leftover. I don't recommend storing in syringe, or 1G of test/week. 300mg/week should be enough for a first cycle. Sust could be shot E4D really, without the so called "more sides from unstable levels". The prop only makes up for a small percentage really.

[MR10X]

What do you mean best effect? a higher test level.Since the prop ester has an aproximate 3 day half life it makes more sense to do it every third day.500mg of test With most of it a fairly quick release is more than enough for a first cycle.12 weeks is a long time,you wont see much in gains after 8 or 9 weeks,i would keep it at 8 weeks.
Steroid esters Drug Active half-life
Formate 1.5 days
Acetate 2 days
Propionate 3 days
Phenylpropionate 4.5 days
Butyrate 6 days
Valerate 7.5 days
Hexanoate 9 days
Caproate 9 days
Isocaproate 9 days
Heptanoate 10.5 days
Enanthate 10.5 days
Octanoate 12 days
Cypionate 12 days
Nonanoate 13.5 days
Decanoate 15 days
Undecanoate 16.5 days

[legalgear88]

I'll ask my guy today if it comes in amps or vials not sure yet like I said I'm new to this I'm learning everyday I did a cycle of superdrol back in high school and had some crazy gains 23 lbs in a month it was too much but that was 6 years ago havn't done anything since what kind of PCT should I do and how long should I run it for ? And should I do the sustenon once a week or every three days? Like I said I'm new to this so bare with me I'm not starting anything until I find out everything there is to know about this

[bjohnson1968]

Depends if he has amps(as alot of sust) or vials and how much he will be running. Since it's his first, if he has amps EOD(every other day) Could have him shooting 1G a week, unless he wanted to waste the leftover. I don't recommend storing in syringe, or 1G of test/week. 300mg/week should be enough for a first cycle. Sust could be shot E4D really, without the so called "more sides from unstable levels". The prop only makes up for a small percentage really.

I would agree based on your analogy fur sure...I would elect for eod injections personally...but then again for some odd reason I enjoy pinning

[Bigjerdog]

Legal at 23 I think most would agree your a bit too young still? Also if this is your first cycle I would start with a single esther. That way you know how your body is going to react, side effects etc. I would suggest Test E. Do some reading here on the site to find EVERYTHING you need to know about a first cycle. If you do go with sust anyways I woudl leave it at that. No need to add anything.

[legalgear88]

The sust comes in amps what should my dosage be per week and I need help with my PCT

[gixxerboy1]

You noticed I said to get the best effect right eod is better than e3d...isn't it???

no it doesnt matter

[MR10X]

The sust comes in amps what should my dosage be per week and I need help with my PCT

Theres not much point in shutting your system down for anything less than 500mg a week,at that dose you should make good gains and your pct can start sooner because of the faster esters. Use Nolvadex and Clomid for PCT.

[gixxerboy1]

Theres not much point in shutting your system down for anything less than 500mg a week,at that dose you should make good gains and your pct can start sooner because of the faster esters. Use Nolvadex and Clomid for PCT.

Plenty of people make very good gains with test only w/less then 500mg a week

[legalgear88]

I still need help with how should intake it EOD, E3D and how long should I run my pct for and how much clomid and nolva should I take per day

[gixxerboy1]

I still need help with how should intake it EOD, E3D and how long should I run my pct for and how much clomid and nolva should I take per day

Goto the pct section and read up. The answers are there and that way you will understand why you are running these drugs the way you are. Its important to understand then just know how many pills to swallow

[MR10X]

I would do 250mg of sustanon every 3 or 3 1/2 days.No need to go the PCT section,heres a doctor recomended and tested procedure:20mg Nolvadex and 100mg Clomid daily
After AAS cessation the secretion of LH is nil. It will not be able to initiate T production until a certain stimulus LH level is reached. Studies have shown that the time for this to occur can be lengthy. Thus the idea is to ‘push’ the testicles with hCG and get them started. Once T production is initiated the dependent variable is LH. If the hCG is withdrawn without adequate LH to couple with the testicles return of HPTA functionality will fail.

The increased production of LH is achieved by a dual action of clomiphene citrate and tamoxifen . Clomiphene is a mixed agonist/antagonist (SERM) at the estradiol receptor. Clomiphene will increase the secretion of LH by action at the hypothalamo-pituitary area. Clomiphene will cause an increase in LH and secondarily increases in T and estradiol. Estradiol has a negative feedback influence on the HPTA. Estradiol is 200X the inhibitory effect of T per molar basis. Normal serum levels are the following:

Testosterone : 3-10 ng/ml (10-35 nM/L)

Estradiol: 15-65 pg/ml (55-240 pmol/L)

Tamoxifen will counteract the effect of the estradiol. Once the hCG is withdrawn the LH, initiated by clomiphene and tamoxifen, will couple with the testicles and take over production of T by the testicles. The levels of LH to maintain and couple with the testicles are maintained by clomiphene and tamoxifen. Clomiphene is continued for 15 days while Tamoxifen is continued for 30 days.

In healthy adult men, circulating levels of testosterone have a distinct pattern, with increasing levels during sleep toward a maximum around the time of awakening and a decrease during the day. In PCT hCG is administered every other day. I suggest the same time each injection in an attempt to simulate this rhythm. This is purely empirical but I recommend hCG at bedtime (2200). Clomiphene is taken in divided doses of 50mg 2X/day.

[gixxerboy1]

i def wouldnt follow that for pct. ^^^^

legal thats why you should learn on your own too.

[MR10X]

Q: I have read that Clomid and Novadex are very similar products. Is this true? If so why would you need to take both?

A: The administration of antiestrogens is a common treatment because anti estrogens interfere with the normal negative feedback of sex steroids at hypothalamic and pituitary levels in order to increase endogenous gonadotropin-releasing hormone secretion from the hypothalamus and FSH and LH secretion directly from the pituitary. In turn, FSH and LH stimulate Leydig cells in the testes, and this has been claimed to lead to increased local testosterone production, thereby boosting spermatogenesis with a possible improvement in fertility. There may also be a direct effect of antiestrogens on testicular spermatogenesis or steroidogenesis.

Clomiphene is a synthetic derivative an estrogen. Clomid is a mixed agonist/antagonist for the estradiol receptor. Tamoxifen is a pure estradiol receptor antagonist. Clomid acts as an estrogen, rather than an antiestrogen, by sensitizing pituitary cells to the action of GnRH. Although tamoxifen is almost as effective as Clomid in binding to pituitary estrogen receptors, tamoxifen has little or no estrogenic activity in terms of its ability to enhance the GnRH-stimulated release of LH. The estrogenic action of Clomid at the pituitary represents a unique feature of this compound and that tamoxifen may be devoid of estrogenic activity at the pituitary level.

Perusal of the literature thus indicates that clomiphene acts in several ways in the human male; (a) due to its similarity of structure to stilbesterol it binds with receptor sites in the hypothalamus and pituitary, (b) It stimulates gonadotrophin secretion by acting on the hypothalamo-hypophyseal system, (c) the inhibitory effects of high levels of circulating estrogens (produced under the influence of clomiphene) on hypothalamo-hypophyseal axis are possibly prevented by its potent antiestrogenic behaviour. The result of these varied effects of clomiphene is an overall increase in gonadotrophin and estrogen secretion and accounts for their increase under clinical conditions.

In one study the administration of tamoxifen, 20 mg/day for 10 days, to normal males produced a moderate increase in luteinizing hormone (LH), follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH), testosterone, and estradiol levels, comparable to the effect of 150 mg of clomiphene citrate (Clomid). Treatment of patients with “idiopathic” oligospermia for 6 to 9 months resulted in a significant increase in gonadotropin, testosterone, and estradiol levels.

Cochran database summary showed ten studies involving 738 men were included. Five of the trials did not specify method of randomization. Antiestrogens had a positive effect on endocrinal outcomes, such as serum testosterone levels . Antiestrogens appear to have a beneficial effect on endocrinal outcomes, but there is not enough evidence to evaluate the use of antiestrogens for increasing the fertility of males with idiopathic oligo-asthenospermia.

In the over one-thousand patients I have treated for HPTA normalization after AAS cessation i have used the combination of clomiphene citrate and tamoxifen. I have used clomiphene citrate alone in many cases. I added tamoxifen to the protocol to see if I could get a better clinical response. This seemed to be the case although I have not had the opportunity to evaluate the data. When both compounds are used the clomiphene citrate is discontinued first and the tamoxifen is continued for 2 more weeks. as I stated in the post on hCG injections it is imperative to be tested while on the medications. thus one would be tested ~3-5 days before the tamoxifen expires. In the 1st stage described in the hCG post one tests for testosterone only. the serum T level determines whether or not the hCG is halted. In the typical situation the hCG is stopped and the CC & tamoxifen continued. the lab tests at the end of the oral meds is LH & T.

[Bigjerdog]

Am I the only on ehere that sees a problem with starting off on your 1st cycle with multiple esthers? Everything I have read on this site tells me different. Forget PCT for a second. This guy hasnt read anything on the site or educated himself in the least. O.P. You need to spend about 6 months getting familiar with the site and AAS in general. I know you want to jump in and get huge but you will be thankful later after you know more about this then just what and how much to take. Learn about why...

[MR10X]

Whats the advantage to using long lasting esters if you dont know how your going to react to what your taking,seems to me it would be better to use something that will get out of your system faster,especially if its your first cycle.