Have an issue with my HCG

**PrairieDawg** · 10-25-2011, 10:57 AM

I just got all my gear from my buddy a couple of weeks ago. Everything is there and looks good and I'm going to start my cycle here pretty soon but I have an issue with the HCG he gave me. I've never used the stuff before, this will be a first so I thought I'd come on here and see if this is a common thing. The 2 vials that it came in, 5000 iu's are in each of them. I only need 2000 iu's/month for the minimum effective dose that I need. And apparently this stuff only lasts 30 days in a refrigerated state. And my fiancee who's a nurse says I can't take the stuff out and split it without something that's been sterilized in an autoclave otherwise there's a chance it can make my muscles go nacrotic at point of injection if by the off chance I inject some bacteria.

So from what I can tell I have 2 months of HCG and 6000 iu's of garbage and I'm going to have to order another 2 vials to get me to PCT unless someone has some advice on what I can do here. This stuff doesn't go beyone 30 days? I'm guessing freezing it will just kill it. I don't know if this stuff is worth it. I ran cycles without it before, yea your balls shrink but I recovered. The HCG alone is going to cost me the price of the gear if I'm going to need 4 vials.

**qal92** · 10-25-2011, 11:41 AM

I used out of date HCG before and it worked fine for me man, use the search for out of date HCG

**Flier** · 10-25-2011, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by PrairieDawg

I just got all my gear from my buddy a couple of weeks ago. Everything is there and looks good and I'm going to start my cycle here pretty soon but I have an issue with the HCG he gave me. I've never used the stuff before, this will be a first so I thought I'd come on here and see if this is a common thing. The 2 vials that it came in, 5000 iu's are in each of them. I only need 2000 iu's/month for the minimum effective dose that I need. And apparently this stuff only lasts 30 days in a refrigerated state. And my fiancee who's a nurse says I can't take the stuff out and split it without something that's been sterilized in an autoclave otherwise there's a chance it can make my muscles go nacrotic at point of injection if by the off chance I inject some bacteria.

So from what I can tell I have 2 months of HCG and 6000 iu's of garbage and I'm going to have to order another 2 vials to get me to PCT unless someone has some advice on what I can do here. This stuff doesn't go beyone 30 days? I'm guessing freezing it will just kill it. I don't know if this stuff is worth it. I ran cycles without it before, yea your balls shrink but I recovered. The HCG alone is going to cost me the price of the gear if I'm going to need 4 vials.

Everything in this post is true, assuming you are mixing with Bacteriostatic water. If u are planning to mix with the supplied water, it will last only 7 days.
If u don´t want to buy another 2 vials. the best option will be to time the start of your HCG to end 4 days prior to PCT. If your balls have shrunk at all 2 weeks prior to PCT, you can up your HCG dose to 500iu EOD.....since you have it available.

**spywizard** · 10-25-2011, 12:49 PM

i'm trying to think why you'd be putting it into a non sterilized container..

my hcg comes in a multi dose vial in powder forum, i put 1mL of bac water in to mix.. 10iu = 200iu since it is 2000iu vial of hcg

in your case 1mL = 500iu per the 10mark on the slin pin..

sure it goes beyond 30 days, but who's to say how much it degrades??? 1/2 in 10 days?? we don't know..

so i'm missing something here.

**spywizard** · 10-25-2011, 12:51 PM

re read your post..

you never say what your "minimum" dose is..

with your 5000iu if you take 500 iu per injection you'd get 10 injections, if you are doing it 2x week = 5 weeks use..

or throw 1/2 of it away..

**MR10X** · 10-25-2011, 01:17 PM

heres the drug liturature that is supplied with Pregnyl HCG .It states its stable for 60 days when refrigerated.
http://www.rxlist.com/pregnyl-drug.htm

Directions for Reconstitution
Two-vial package: Withdraw sterile air from lyophilized vial and inject into diluent vial. Remove 1–10 mL from diluent and add to lyophilized vial; agitate gently until powder is completely dissolved in solution.

Parenteral drug products should be inspected visually for particulate matter and discoloration prior to administration, whenever solution and container permit.

IMPORTANT: USE COMPLETELY AFTER RECONSTITUTION. RECONSTITUTED SOLUTION IS STABLE FOR 60 DAYS WHEN REFRIGERATED.

**Flier** · 10-25-2011, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by MR10X

heres the drug liturature that is supplied with Pregnyl HCG .It states its stable for 60 days when refrigerated.
http://www.rxlist.com/pregnyl-drug.htm

Directions for Reconstitution
Two-vial package: Withdraw sterile air from lyophilized vial and inject into diluent vial. Remove 1–10 mL from diluent and add to lyophilized vial; agitate gently until powder is completely dissolved in solution.

Parenteral drug products should be inspected visually for particulate matter and discoloration prior to administration, whenever solution and container permit.

IMPORTANT: USE COMPLETELY AFTER RECONSTITUTION. RECONSTITUTED SOLUTION IS STABLE FOR 60 DAYS WHEN REFRIGERATED.

"Each package also contains a 10 mL vial of solvent containing: water for injection with 0.56% sodium chloride and 0.9% BENZYL ALCOHOL, WHICH IS NOT FOR USE IN NEWBORNS. If required, pH is adjusted with sodium hydroxide and/or hydrochloric acid."
^^^I have not seen this mixing water before.
The only supplied water I have seen is Natrium Chloride....last for 7 days.
The Bacteriostatic water bought from ar-r last for 30 days.
^^^This water seem to last for 60 days......OP, u need to check what water you have.
And like Babyface is saying, you will mix, then draw into your 1 ml insulin syringe from where you will shoot 2x week.

**MR10X** · 10-25-2011, 03:35 PM

My Bac water has an experation date of jan 2013.Its not the water that limits the HCG when mixed ,its the HCG itself once its mixed.My pregnyl came with a 1mil bottle of solvent,i used bac water instead.

**PrairieDawg** · 10-25-2011, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by MR10X

heres the drug liturature that is supplied with Pregnyl HCG .It states its stable for 60 days when refrigerated.
http://www.rxlist.com/pregnyl-drug.htm

Directions for Reconstitution
Two-vial package: Withdraw sterile air from lyophilized vial and inject into diluent vial. Remove 1–10 mL from diluent and add to lyophilized vial; agitate gently until powder is completely dissolved in solution.

Parenteral drug products should be inspected visually for particulate matter and discoloration prior to administration, whenever solution and container permit.

IMPORTANT: USE COMPLETELY AFTER RECONSTITUTION. RECONSTITUTED SOLUTION IS STABLE FOR 60 DAYS WHEN REFRIGERATED.

Right on MR10X you made my day! I'll give it a go and try to get 60 days out of each vial. If it doesn't quite last that long then oh well, I never had the stuff at all before. Is there any problem with injecting HCG that has become unstable or will it basically be sterile water at that point?

And yes I'm mixing with bacteriostatic water I bought from a maternity site.

**PrairieDawg** · 10-25-2011, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by spywizard

re read your post..

you never say what your "minimum" dose is..

I believe the minimum effective dose with HCG is 500iu's/week from the material I've read. Which is what I'm going with on this cycle to start. If I need to up the dosage I will.

**MR10X** · 10-25-2011, 06:19 PM

When i used it,i used 500iu every 3 days so one 5000iu bottle lasted 30 days.I was using it for PCT along with Nolvadex and clomid after a longer than usual cycle.

**PrairieDawg** · 10-26-2011, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by MR10X

When i used it,i used 500iu every 3 days so one 5000iu bottle lasted 30 days.I was using it for PCT along with Nolvadex and clomid after a longer than usual cycle.

With my slin needles I notice I can only inject 100iu's at a time. So I have to do 5 separate injections. Does it matter what sites I use for inject?

Can I do it IM with my gear or would that be too much to inject for a single site if I'm already injecting 2ml of gear?

**MR10X** · 10-26-2011, 05:55 PM

I only use 1mil (100iu) of water to dilute the HCG ,so each 10iu is 500iu HCG.If you already mixed it up you could use a 3 mil 25ga 1" syringe and do IM which better.I have done HCG and other water based stuff with oil based stuff and not had any issues,it doesnt really mix together but doesnt cause any problems.

**PrairieDawg** · 10-26-2011, 06:05 PM

Ok so in my 5000 iu vial I mix 1 mil of bac water and that way I get 500 iu's loaded in 10 iu's?

**MR10X** · 10-26-2011, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by PrairieDawg

Ok so in my 5000 iu vial I mix 1 mil of bac water and that way I get 500 iu's loaded in 10 iu's?

Yes thats correct,if you used 10mil of water each mil would be 500iu. You will get 10 500iu shots from 1mil of water at 10iu on your insulin syringe.Theres no need to use a lot of water,less is better.I also put a little air bubble at the end of the plunger so it will inject all the liquid and not leave any in the syringe,All you need is about a 5iu bubble to clear it of all the liquid.draw in 5iu of air into the syringe then turn it needle down and thump the syringe with your finger to get the bubble to go to the top,i have had no issues doing this....

**jamotech** · 10-26-2011, 08:15 PM

id either do 2.5ml bac water with the 5000iu vial...that would give you 500iu at 25 units on the syringe, or do 5ml bac water and that would be 500iu at 50 units on the syringe.
This will make it more diluted, so whats left in the syringe is nothing to worry about.

Dont put a bubble in there on purpose. Whats left in there isnt that precious, especially if its diluted properly.

**MR10X** · 10-26-2011, 09:09 PM

Techniques
Z-track: The skin is drawn away from the site before the needle is inserted.
Immediately after the medication is injected and the needle withdrawn, the skin is
released. This breaks the needle track into the muscle and has the effect of locking
the medication into the muscle depot. Z track administration prevents medication
from backing up along the needle track through the tissues.4
Air bubble: A small amount of air is drawn up into the syringe before the
medication is injected. The needle is inserted directly into the muscle and the
medication injected. The air will act as a lock to prevent the medication seeping
out along the needle track into other tissue or onto the skin.
For administration of I.M injections with a fast onset, the patient should be in
supine position and remain so for about 30 min. It is also advisable to measure
blood pressure before I.M injections. 2

It doesnt matter how much water you use it will be 5000iu,to get 500iu you use 1/10 of what ever amount of water you used to mix with the powder.Also the 1/2mil insulin syringes are only 50 iu and maked every 5 iu and easier to use.

**acidking** · 10-29-2011, 08:37 AM

Question about storing and using the same syringe (with different needle of course) more than one time: Don't you draw the plunger up to see if there's blood before injecting? Even if there's no blood, is it safe to use the same syringe another time? Isn't it better, after mixing the two vials, to draw the solution into different syringes and use one each time you want to inject, and refrigerate the others for later use?