Help me with my Perky nips

**Stickman123** · 10-27-2011, 02:22 PM

40 years old
6'1"
188#
16%BF

I'm 8 weeks into my first cycle, 500 mg Test E/week. After about 4 weeks, I had perky, painful nips, so I started Liquidex 0.25mg eod and Novla 20mg eod. (I later read not to run those together). Anyway, after starting the AI and SERM, the pain wen immediately away. But nips were still perky after 3 weeks of Liquidex/Novla. The perkiness is intermittent....sometimes not so much and some times a lot.

Trouble is, they always get super perky at the gym and it was getting kind of embarrassing. So I stated Letro 1mg ed about a week ago. I'm feeling a bit lethargic, and I feel like my gains have plateaued over the last month (since I originally started the Liquidex/Novla).

I'm wondering how aggressive I should get with all the anti-estrogen stuff, or whether I should just deal with some perkiness. I don't want to screw up my first cycle, as I was making pretty good gains initially.

Any advice is appreciated.

**bjohnson1968** · 10-27-2011, 03:20 PM

so what are you running now nolva a-dex and letro....that a high dose of letro Bro

**Stickman123** · 10-27-2011, 04:40 PM

Been running letro 1mg ed for about 6 days.

**im83931** · 10-27-2011, 04:50 PM

Careful with the letro. The sides can get pretty harsh, and that dose is high. You should also taper the dose down when you are ready to go off of it so you don't get rebound.

**bjohnson1968** · 10-27-2011, 04:51 PM

imho that way to much letro for just controlling estrogen I would taper down the dose to .25mg ed or eod..are your nips just puffy no lumps under the nips? itchy or sensitive

**im83931** · 10-27-2011, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by Stickman123

40 years old
6'1"
188#
16%BF

I'm 8 weeks into my first cycle, 500 mg Test E/week. After about 4 weeks, I had perky, painful nips, so I started Liquidex 0.25mg eod and Novla 20mg eod. (I later read not to run those together). Anyway, after starting the AI and SERM, the pain wen immediately away. But nips were still perky after 3 weeks of Liquidex/Novla. The perkiness is intermittent....sometimes not so much and some times a lot.

Trouble is, they always get super perky at the gym and it was getting kind of embarrassing. So I stated Letro 1mg ed about a week ago. I'm feeling a bit lethargic, and I feel like my gains have plateaued over the last month (since I originally started the Liquidex/Novla). This is probably from bottoming out your estrogen. Letro can lower it by 90%

I'm wondering how aggressive I should get with all the anti-estrogen stuff, or whether I should just deal with some perkiness. I don't want to screw up my first cycle, as I was making pretty good gains initially.

Any advice is appreciated.

You will hinder your gains. Personally I would worry more about the gyno. I am confused though. Are you taking liquidex and letro together?

**jpllindma** · 10-27-2011, 05:11 PM

do you feel like your strength has gone down or are you just looking at the scale to determine if you have hit a plateau. anti-estrogen's should pull some water out of you. so you could lose a few lbs that way.

P.S. the letro dose is to high .25 mg ed will work

**im83931** · 10-27-2011, 05:13 PM

Here is an old gyno thread. http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...o#.TqnldnKlDTM

**spywizard** · 10-27-2011, 05:15 PM

yea, when you lower your estrogen too much you are asking for trouble..

**Stickman123** · 10-28-2011, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by bjohnson1968

so what are you running now nolva a-dex and letro....that a high dose of letro Bro

Just letro

**Stickman123** · 10-28-2011, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by bjohnson1968

imho that way to much letro for just controlling estrogen I would taper down the dose to .25mg ed or eod..are your nips just puffy no lumps under the nips? itchy or sensitive

OK, will do. Nips aren't puffy at all. Just PERKY, lol. They were getting painful until I ran some AI. No more pain, just perk.

**Stickman123** · 10-28-2011, 01:37 PM

I just don't feel like I'm gaining strength at the same rate. Maybe it's just in my head. My lifts are still getting better, only by a couple pounds per week. For a while there I was adding signinifcant weight every week. I felt like Superman. lol. Now, I hardly feel like I'm on cycle, but maybe that's normal...

**Stickman123** · 10-28-2011, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by spywizard

yea, when you lower your estrogen too much you are asking for trouble..

Yea, I guess I'll taper off the letro and just use a small dose of Liquidex and see what happens to the nips. I was just wondering if anyone else had them get perky and stay that way while on cycle. Thanks for all the responses.

**Grissa Ost Drauka** · 10-28-2011, 01:55 PM

I'm new to this as well and also running my first cycle of Test E. I noticed some initial gains as well until it plateaued out but haven't really been to worried as I'm only 4 weeks in to my cycle. I thought most people didn't start noticing drastic gains from enthanate until about 5 weeks in. I've just now started feeling the effects of my cycle. Specifically the ramped up sex drive, a bit of acne, etc. So unless I've been misinformed, I wouldn't worry about not seeing huge changes right away.