Proposed 10 week cycle..turning into 8...advice please

**maxwell78** · 10-27-2011, 02:45 PM

so guys. I just finished my first vial of test on monday night. instead of there being 10 ccs in the vial there were prob only around 8 cc's b/c the vial is empty now. tonight will be my 2nd pin for week 4. so, that means instead of the cycle being 10 weeks as i planned..this second vial that i am going to open tonight...is only going to put me through 8 weeks. thinking I need to order another vial or two b/c I was planning on doing at least 10 weeks...and one more vial would put me at 12 weeks. what do you think? i think I have enough hcg right now that would take me to week 10. so if I order more test....would I need to order more hcg too? and then I just move everything ahead by a few weeks.

what do you guys think is best.

also still on the a-dex EOD 0.5 mgs. still feeling pretty good. going to see how it goes and if i need to space it out more. just a wait and see game now.

**cb714** · 10-27-2011, 02:49 PM

ah man.. that sucks when they short you on the vials! Order another and hit it for 12 weeks. Save the HCG til the last few weeks. I take it its Test E or C?

**maxwell78** · 10-27-2011, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by cb714

ah man.. that sucks when they short you on the vials! Order another and hit it for 12 weeks. Save the HCG til the last few weeks. I take it its Test E or C?

has that happened to you i take it? well im on hcg right now....been on it since week 2. thinking i may need a little more to carry me though week 12. yes its test E..my bad.

**Flier** · 10-27-2011, 03:17 PM

Happened to me as well.
In my case, I just think I drew more than I intended to.
The syringe was kinda confusing.

How much HCG per week u pinning?
How much Test? 500? U could reduce to 400.
Or get another vial and toss the rest after 10 weeks. Cheap anyway.
Try to time your HCG to end 4 days prior to PCT

**cb714** · 10-27-2011, 03:20 PM

People follow different protocals as far as hcg goes. Some take it throughout their entire cycle, some take it just towards the end. I guess it really depends on whether you mind if your nuts shrink or not. I personally don't care and save my HCG for the end but whatever works for you guess... and YES that has happened to me as far as getting shorted on the vials! sucks.

**maxwell78** · 10-27-2011, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by Flier

Happened to me as well.
In my case, I just think I drew more than I intended to.
The syringe was kinda confusing.

How much HCG per week u pinning?
How much Test? 500? U could reduce to 400.
Or get another vial and toss the rest after 10 weeks. Cheap anyway.
Try to time your HCG to end 4 days prior to PCT

500 IU's/week [splitting it up 250 2x/week] 500 mg test also splitting it up 250 2x/week...[same days as hcg] toss the rest...yeah right...

**JimmySidewalk** · 10-27-2011, 05:25 PM

I dont think its the vials. I noticed something very interesting.
Lets take for example a 2ml seryinge which i like to use with a 1 inch 25g needle.
If i draw from the vial up unitl the 1ml mark, then you actually have 1.1ml because of the gear left in the neck of the seriynge and the needle. If you were to draw like that then pull out the pin and suck in air just to go to the next marker and if you count the marks, then you'll see its actually 1.1 ml of juice in there.

So what i do is draw 0.1cc less than 1ml. That'll give you 1ml to inject(considering you leave some air in the seriynge to push out all the oil intro the muscle.

God knows how much more you miscalculate when using an even bigger seryinge.

**maxwell78** · 10-28-2011, 05:34 AM

Originally Posted by cb714

People follow different protocals as far as hcg goes. Some take it throughout their entire cycle, some take it just towards the end. I guess it really depends on whether you mind if your nuts shrink or not. I personally don't care and save my HCG for the end but whatever works for you guess... and YES that has happened to me as far as getting shorted on the vials! sucks.

gotcha. thanks man. guess i'll just order some more hcg along with the test.

**im83931** · 10-28-2011, 07:02 AM

Originally Posted by JimmySidewalk

I dont think its the vials. I noticed something very interesting.
Lets take for example a 2ml seryinge which i like to use with a 1 inch 25g needle.
If i draw from the vial up unitl the 1ml mark, then you actually have 1.1ml because of the gear left in the neck of the seriynge and the needle. If you were to draw like that then pull out the pin and suck in air just to go to the next marker and if you count the marks, then you'll see its actually 1.1 ml of juice in there.

So what i do is draw 0.1cc less than 1ml. That'll give you 1ml to inject(considering you leave some air in the seriynge to push out all the oil intro the muscle.

God knows how much more you miscalculate when using an even bigger seryinge.

Yeah, but they should include a little overfill just for that reason. There is really no excuse for the lab who made it. Have you talked to your source about this? I would let them know you got ripped off two weeks worth. Some will make it up to you, some won't give a crap.

**JimmySidewalk** · 10-28-2011, 10:03 AM

Why whould they overfill, just because you cant measure with the seryinge properly ?
They tell you 10ml for X price for example. Then you pay X price and get those 10ml, why would he give you more for the same money ?
I dont see the logic, or were you joking ?

**im83931** · 10-28-2011, 11:15 PM

No, I wasn't joking. Many labs include overfill. And all pharma grade injectables contain approx 7% overfill, to accommodate compounding in an rx setting. However if he was short 2 mls worth then he was ripped because that is more than would have been lost in the needle.

**maxwell78** · 10-29-2011, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by im83931

No, I wasn't joking. Many labs include overfill. And all pharma grade injectables contain approx 7% overfill, to accommodate compounding in an rx setting. However if he was short 2 mls worth then he was ripped because that is more than would have been lost in the needle.

i was able to get another almost 0.5 cc out of it...so i got a total of about 8.5 ml's when there was supposed to be 10 ml's total.:/