Guidance? First cycle ever...

**iron thrower** · 10-27-2011, 09:46 PM

So, I just started my first cycle ever, mostly because I felt tired of busting my ass in the gym 5 days out of the week, and just not seeing the type of results I thought I should be reasonably obtaining. I'm fairly educated in 'nutrition', or atleast I'd like to think that I am.. ha I basically just understand the fundamentals of what you're body NEEDS in order to really maximize itself in a sense building muscle. I'm an athlete trying to optimize myself for the sport that I love. Not all of us can grow to be 6'5 or 6'6, so I put in effort to seperate myself from others by being bigger, faster, with alot more 'will to succeed'. I'm just now getting towards the end of my 2nd week using Sustanon 300, stacked with Trenabolin. I'm guessing my product had an extremely high BA content, cause It was rediculously sore for about a week after the first injection. I asked around to a couple of people that I know, and they suggested that I go ahead and stack a 300ml dose of sust with 150ml of tren. I've done my research on both products, and the combination of the two, because I most definitly want to know exactly what I'm putting into my body, and it all seemed to check out good. Anyways, I just wanted to see if maybe some of you more experienced members could kind of help me out along the way in regards of what to expect when taking these supplements, and maybe some advice that you feel would help me out. If anyone is willing to spare a few minutes, I'd greatly appreciate it! I can also post come current pics at the start of my cycle and my progression throughout. I'm ****ing stoked!((sorry if this a post you get irritated with, just trying to find alittle guidance throughout my cycle))

-Iron Thrower

**The Bear 79** · 10-27-2011, 09:50 PM

Ur already pretty big man, y not just stay the coarse, it seems 2 b workin. BTW, do every1 a favor & take ur post out of bold type, its little difficult 2 read.

**bjohnson1968** · 10-27-2011, 09:54 PM

how old are you?

do you have a planned pct.

how often are you injecting and for how long

what ester of tren do you have

do you have any ancillaries on hand

have you done any research here

**iron thrower** · 10-27-2011, 10:11 PM

I'm 18, pushing up on 19 in december. I came to the point of finally doing them, because one of my buddies dads' had used steroids for about 15 years, for his line of work. He's pretty much an idol to me, and I would ask him about this stuff, but we just dont really have time to because he's spec ops over seas for 9 months out of the year. My respect and trust in this man is not even able to for me to put in words man... He put us on some strong prohormones about a year ago, and we got pretty good results, but I guess we didnt have a very good PCT becuase our results slowly dissipated. But this time, he planned all this out for his son and myself, and said this will be perfect for us both. He's got the PCT lined up for us, and I'm not exactly sure of the specifics but I think he mentioned Nolva in combo with another supplement, and said we'd keep 95% of our results. And as for the ester of the Tren , I'm not quite sure, like I said, He planned this all out for us and said it should all be perfect. Andd, yeah brother, I've done a fair amount of research here, but I just wanted some personal feedback from you guys.

**iron thrower** · 10-27-2011, 10:19 PM

Idk bro, I just feel like I've really landed on a plateau... I've taken breaks, switched the workout reps, exercises, diet, and I'm still stuck haha

**bjohnson1968** · 10-27-2011, 10:22 PM

Originally Posted by bjohnson1968

how old are you?

do you have a planned pct.

how often are you injecting and for how long
whats this answer
what ester of tren do you have

do you have any ancillaries on hand
whats this answer
have you done any research here

when he set this up for you did he tell you the damage you could be doing to yourself and that Tren is a steroid considered for veteran users
How can you not know the ester of your tren and inject it following the proper protocol

your asking for possible serious trouble for the rest of your life if you continue

**ottomaddox** · 10-27-2011, 10:25 PM

Wow. Phew. I'd seriously reconsider your whole plan. Your friends dad is a child abuser.

**The Bear 79** · 10-27-2011, 10:27 PM

Originally Posted by iron thrower

I'm 18, pushing up on 19 in december. I came to the point of finally doing them, because one of my buddies dads' had used steroids for about 15 years, for his line of work. He's pretty much an idol to me, and I would ask him about this stuff, but we just dont really have time to because he's spec ops over seas for 9 months out of the year. My respect and trust in this man is not even able to for me to put in words man... He put us on some strong prohormones about a year ago, and we got pretty good results, but I guess we didnt have a very good PCT becuase our results slowly dissipated. But this time, he planned all this out for his son and myself, and said this will be perfect for us both. He's got the PCT lined up for us, and I'm not exactly sure of the specifics but I think he mentioned Nolva in combo with another supplement, and said we'd keep 95% of our results. And as for the ester of the Tren, I'm not quite sure, like I said, He planned this all out for us and said it should all be perfect. Andd, yeah brother, I've done a fair amount of research here, but I just wanted some personal feedback from you guys.

OK, 1st., ur 2 yung for steroids , @ ur age there is a greater risk of doing potentially irreversible damage 2 ur undeveloped Endocrine / HPTA. 2nd, ur friends dad is an idiot & I'd luv 2 get my hands around his neck! I understand ur respect & admiration 4 him, but that doesn't giv him the rite 2 do wut he did 2 u guys! I was "Spec-Ops" for 12 yrs, that status has nothing 2 do with AAS knowledge. I would NEVER giv a couple 17 y/o kids PH's & then set them up with some AAS a yr later, ESPECIALLY IF 1 OF THEM WAS MY OWN SON!!! I'm fvcking disgusted!

**iron thrower** · 10-27-2011, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by bjohnson1968

when he set this up for you did he tell you the damage you could be doing to yourself and that Tren is a steroid considered for veteran users
How can you not know the ester of your tren and inject it following the proper protocol

your asking for possible serious trouble for the rest of your life if you continue

I'm injecting mon. and thurs., so just twice a week and its an 8 week cycle.
Yes, I have ancillaries available if I start to experience some side effects. He said all i'd have to do was tell him, and I could scoop them up from his place. He reassured me it was all covered. and it turns out the tren ester is the Tren-Acetate. with only 150 ml twice a week

**bjohnson1968** · 10-27-2011, 10:48 PM

I honestly don't know what to say....You have been seriously misguided and your making a very big mistake

The best thing I can say is STOP

at least if that's not an option loose the Tren your not injecting it properly to begin with

tell your buddies dad to come here and explain to us what the hell he is thinking...if hr can get his head out of his ass long enough to do so

**Dustin0050** · 10-27-2011, 10:56 PM

I'm 19 years old man, I'm an athlete and joined the army. Soon to be army airborne ranger. Truth is we are to young. I thought steroids too but our endocrine will be ****ed, at our age best thing to do is naturally workout. There are SO many workouts out there. If you look you will find one with enough muscle confusion to get your results back on track. I wouldn't mess with anything till at least 24 man

**iron thrower** · 10-27-2011, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by bjohnson1968

I honestly don't know what to say....You have been seriously misguided and your making a very big mistake

The best thing I can say is STOP

at least if that's not an option loose the Tren your not injecting it properly to begin with

tell your buddies dad to come here and explain to us what the hell he is thinking...if hr can get his head out of his ass long enough to do so

Honestly bro, I appreciate this for real ^ . I know most people think that steroids are the answer to everything when they're trying to get bigger... But I've really been consistent with my dieting and lifting, and still find myself stuck on a plateau. Its been impossible for me to try and put on some dry gains, especially when Im trying for about 15lbs. but at this point, I'd be happy with 5-10 lbs... If you truely think I should bail out while I'm only a few weeks in, than I'll most likely get out while I'm ahead. But not if it isnt completely necessary, you know what I mean? So if I dropped the Tren ((which I plan on dropping now)) would it be fine to just inject the sust in doses of 300ml 2x a week for the duration of the 8 weeks? Then I'd follow up with Nola, and stay on cue and look for side effects in the process? Honestly bro, I try to absorb as much of content and knowledge of these subjects, but as I said in the beginning, I'm trying to learn.. And who better to learn from than people who've experienced it before? you kinda get what I'm sayin?

**The Bear 79** · 10-27-2011, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by iron thrower

Honestly bro, I appreciate this for real ^ . I know most people think that steroids are the answer to everything when they're trying to get bigger... But I've really been consistent with my dieting and lifting, and still find myself stuck on a plateau. Its been impossible for me to try and put on some dry gains, especially when Im trying for about 15lbs. but at this point, I'd be happy with 5-10 lbs... If you truely think I should bail out while I'm only a few weeks in, than I'll most likely get out while I'm ahead. But not if it isnt completely necessary, you know what I mean? So if I dropped the Tren ((which I plan on dropping now)) would it be fine to just inject the sust in doses of 300ml 2x a week for the duration of the 8 weeks? Then I'd follow up with Nola, and stay on cue and look for side effects in the process? Honestly bro, I try to absorb as much of content and knowledge of these subjects, but as I said in the beginning, I'm trying to learn.. And who better to learn from than people who've experienced it before? you kinda get what I'm sayin?

If u truly want 2 learn & b safe, then research the effects of AAS on the Endocrine / HPTA. If u hav any questions / concerns, come bak with them & we'll b glad 2 help. But PLEASE just stop EVERYTHING rite now.

**iron thrower** · 10-27-2011, 11:19 PM

I will bro. But i've really start to see the results come in, I hope I can continue to make gains like these without the supplements

**Times Roman** · 10-28-2011, 12:18 AM

Mate,
Quick observation. About iron thrower
Biography:
I'm a pretty hard working athlete, with a very strong work ethic, dedicated to expanding my physical abilities on the field.
Location:
Houston, Tx
Age:
18
Height:
5'9
Weight:
180

To complete your stats, would also like to know your
Body Fat %
Years experience lifting

**Times Roman** · 10-28-2011, 12:21 AM

I'm going to step in here for a quick second and put in my .02

First of all, you are too young for steroids . Period. Regardless of how big you are, your weight, or years of lifting experience, your hormonal system still has many years of development left. Leave steroids alone and let your body finish doing what it needs to do, without steroids.

Second, Your first cycle is all wrong Never tren on a first cycle. Your first cycle should be test only, so you get a good clean picture of how testosterone effects your body. Tren is a very aggressive advanced anabolic that has many side effects above and beyond the typical side effects of testosterone .

Third. If your goal is to "unstuck" your plateau, you can achieve that with changes in your routine and diet. I'm learning all the time, and just found out, by reading a book, and adhereing to it's principals, that a plateau buster can be as easy as the right workout drink. Mine is 75% simple carbs and 25% whey protein, with some BCAA's thrown in for good luck. My son has been doing this with good results, and both our intenisity levels have seriously improved.

Finally. Seriously, you need to step up with an aggressive PCT program, when you decide to end your cycle. This is not something to ignore, since PCT is designed to bring back your natural hormonal levels as close to normal as possible. However, there are NO guarantees PCT will work. Every time you cycle, you run the risk that your hormonal system will not "reset" back to normal.

Honestly, I think your question was very productive. You stepped up and decided to get a second opinion, besides the opinion your mentor was giving you. As you can see, none of us support your mentor's opinion. Which should tell you something, should it not?

Now you have a decision to make.

Hope it's the right one.

---Roman

**stpete** · 10-28-2011, 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by iron thrower

So, I just started my first cycle ever, mostly because I felt tired of busting my ass in the gym 5 days out of the week, and just not seeing the type of results I thought I should be reasonably obtaining. I'm fairly educated in 'nutrition', or atleast I'd like to think that I am.. ha I basically just understand the fundamentals of what you're body NEEDS in order to really maximize itself in a sense building muscle. I'm an athlete trying to optimize myself for the sport that I love. Not all of us can grow to be 6'5 or 6'6, so I put in effort to seperate myself from others by being bigger, faster, with alot more 'will to succeed'. I'm just now getting towards the end of my 2nd week using Sustanon 300, stacked with Trenabolin. I'm guessing my product had an extremely high BA content, cause It was rediculously sore for about a week after the first injection. I asked around to a couple of people that I know, and they suggested that I go ahead and stack a 300ml dose of sust with 150ml of tren. I've done my research on both products, and the combination of the two, because I most definitly want to know exactly what I'm putting into my body, and it all seemed to check out good. Anyways, I just wanted to see if maybe some of you more experienced members could kind of help me out along the way in regards of what to expect when taking these supplements, and maybe some advice that you feel would help me out. If anyone is willing to spare a few minutes, I'd greatly appreciate it! I can also post come current pics at the start of my cycle and my progression throughout. I'm ****ing stoked!((sorry if this a post you get irritated with, just trying to find alittle guidance throughout my cycle))

-Iron Thrower

Night sweats, insomnia, aggression and in some cases, people turn gay. Not that being gay is bad, it just happens. Ask DSM.

**Times Roman** · 10-28-2011, 05:13 AM

gay?

**The Bear 79** · 10-28-2011, 05:38 AM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

gay?

Yeah.................u know..................Girls Are Yucky...................

**Times Roman** · 10-28-2011, 08:07 AM

How the 'ell can that be a side????

**Buddhabody** · 10-28-2011, 08:18 AM

Stay natural. And put in the hard work. I've been working out for six years and just about to do my first cycle. I'm 27

**gixxerboy1** · 10-28-2011, 08:54 AM

not to mention that tren is strong steroids and can carry a ton a side effect if used properly. And you are not using Tren a correctly.

There is a very real chance you are going to harm your HPTA long term.

You may have respect for your friends Dad but he honestly doesnt respect you if he is doing this to you. Just because he has used steroids before doesnt mean he used them correctly. And he doesnt know what he is doing if this is what he recommended.

I would def stop now and check out the diet section. There is always more we can learn there.