Testosteron Propionat / Stanzolol / Proviron Question

[juggerknot]

My first cycle, I've researched these three products and wanted to know if I was heading down the right track. My goal is do gain some mass with minimum water retention. I plan on doing this cycle for 8 weeks below is my breakdown:

Stanzolol (Tablets) , Test P, Proviron (Tablets)

Week 1 50MG Day/ 50MG EOD / Nothing
Week 2 50MG Day/ 50MG EOD / Nothing
Week 3 50MG Day/ 50MG EOD / 50MG DAY
Week 4 50MG Day/ 50MG EOD / 50MG DAY
Week 5 50MG Day/ 50MG EOD / 50MG DAY
Week 6 Nothing / Nothing / 50MG DAY
Week 7 Nothing / Nothing / 50MG DAY
Week 8 Nothing / Nothing / 50MG DAY

Currently:

Age 27
5 FT 7 Inch
150LBS
16% BF

I've been reading a lot of mixed reviews on people saying that Test P should be done every other day at 75-100MG and people also saying that it should be taken at 75MG everyday. This is my first cycle and I plan on starting in December but just want to make sure that I am on the right track. Thanks

[10nispro]

first off that is a horrible cycle.

according to your stats you need to eat better. Post a days worth of eating and lets see what's up. Your body is no where ready to use gear. Its not a magic pill I promise.

[juggerknot]

first off that is a horrible cycle.

according to your stats you need to eat better. Post a days worth of eating and lets see what's up. Your body is no where ready to use gear. Its not a magic pill I promise.

Thanks for your input, can you please tell me why this is considered a horrible cycle?

Meal 1: Protein Shake, Oats, and 6 Egg Whites
Meal 2: (Postworkout) Protein Shake
Meal 3: Rice Cakes with Cottage Cheese and Tuna
Meal 4: Chicken/Fish with Broccoli/Green Beans and Brown Rice
Meal 5: Protein Shake, Nuts, Banana
Meal 6: Rice Cakes with Cottage Cheese and Tuna
Meal 7: Chicken/Fish or Steak with 2 green Vegetables and Brown Rice/Sweet Potato

[10nispro]

1. Its to many compounds for a first cycle
2. Length of cycle bad
3. No pct planned

You say you researched the 3 compounds but you haven't researched enough to know how to use them correctly. Slow down and do things correct. Your diet is the problem and its probably besides pct the most important.

[juggerknot]

1. Its to many compounds for a first cycle
2. Length of cycle bad
3. No pct planned

You say you researched the 3 compounds but you haven't researched enough to know how to use them correctly. Slow down and do things correct. Your diet is the problem and its probably besides pct the most important.

Well thanks again, I'll go back and research and I appreciate the help. I'll go back and look into my diet again for some reason I though I had that figured out and your right that's more important then the gear. As for the use of the gear it's all new to me and seems confusing. Appreciate your help.

[juggerknot]

Okay so I spent like 6 hours trying to figure this stuff out again and I seem to be more confused then when I started:

Stanzolol:
Winstrol depot is a popular brand name for the anabolic steroid stanozolol. Winstrol depot (Stanozolol) is a derivative of dihydrotestosterone, although its activity is much milder than this androgen in nature. Winstrol depot (Stanozolol) is technically classified as an anabolic steroid, shown to exhibit a slightly greater tendency for muscle growth than androgenic activity in early studies. While dihydrotestosterone really only provides androgenic side effects when administered, Winstrol depot (Stanozolol) instead provides quality muscle growth. Admittedly the anabolic properties of this substance are still mild in comparison to many stronger compounds, but it is still a reliable builder. Its efficacy as an anabolic could even be comparable to Dianabol, however Winstrol depot (Stanozolol) does not carry with it the same tendency for water retention. Winstrol depot (Stanozolol) also contains the same c17 methylation we see with Dianabol, an alteration used so that oral administration is possible. To spite this design however, there are many injectable versions of Winstrol depot (Stanozolol).



Structurally Winstrol depot (Stanozolol) is not capable of converting into estrogen. Likewise an antiestrogen is not necessary when using Winstrol depot (Stanozolol), gynecomastia not being a concern even among sensitive individuals. Since estrogen is also the culprit with water retention, instead of bulk Winstrol depot (Stanozolol) produces a lean, quality look to the physique with no fear of excess subcutaneous fluid retention. This makes it a favorable steroid to use during cutting cycles, when water and fat retention are a major concern. Winstrol depot (Stanozolol) is also very popular among athletes in combination strength/speed sports such as Track and Field. In such disciplines one usually does not want to carry around excess water weight, and may therefore find the raw muscle-growth brought about by Winstrol depot (Stanozolol) quite favorable over the lower quality mass gains of more estrogenic agents.

So basically when using this product it produces a leaner look and not to much water retention. Another thing I read was that it was liver toxic more then anything else out there. It also stated that it stacks well with Testosterone. So I don't see what wrong with using this with Test P.

Proviron:

Is something I'm confused with some people say it can be used as a PCT and and some people say it can't and research shows that it's up in the air some people get suppression and some don't.

This was posted my warmachine can't post the URL because I'm a new member:

forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?379916-quot-Estrogen-Control-Treatment-and-PCT-by-WARMachine-quot#.Tqyo-vQr2dA

Now heres my recomendations for doses.

"FOR ON CYCLE USE"

Proviron - 50-100mgs ED (I hear people use up to 150mgs ED with no issues, but id error on the side of caution until you are familar with the compound.)


"FOR PCT USE"

Proviron - 25-50mgs ED (Personally wouldnt exceed 50mgs ED in PCT for the reason i discussed in the article.)

I'm just trying to understand why you said this cycle would be crap.

Thanks in Advance

[juggerknot]

Double post!

[juggerknot]

Anything?

[juggerknot]

Any input would be appreciated.

[SufferToReturnHarder]

Calm down man, people will eventually answer you. Why are you running all of these compounds as a first cycle? Why not just run test, so you can see how it may effect you. Taking all of these compounds for your first time is not only dangerous, but you have no idea how your body is responding to each individual compound. If you insist on using gear right now, (which you probably shouldn't) slow down and do more research. Trust me, 6 hours is not enough. Try, 6 months, or more of detailed and correct research. This forum is the best place to start. Hit up the nutrition section and workout the kinks in your diet, cause as many know, there is NO POINT in cycling if your diet is not 100percent perfect.

[juggerknot]

Anyone clarify about the compounds? Proviron as a PCT?

[xo3et]

Dude no need to run all 3 compounds, id run test E only for a first cycle. I would however wait and sort out your BF% and diet, its no in key or if it is then it hasnt been for long.

I waited 3yrs before i started my cycle, i researched lots and was sure i learnt as much about diet and training as possible. I know many many people who have jumped into cycles and lost everything after, take your time.

[gixxerboy1]

Anyone clarify about the compounds? Proviron as a PCT?

i would stick with nolva and clomid for pct.

As agreed i would hit up the nutrition section first. Start reading there. You will be shocked how much you can gain if you straighten out your diet with out steroids