Noob 1st cycle advice.

**shortandstout** · 11-04-2011, 05:18 AM

Stats:
27 yr old
5'6"
140lbs
8% BF
Lifting for 2-3 yrs solid
Diet in check, 3500+ cals a day

Def. a 'hardgainer' have never really been able to get above 145. Metabolism is through the roof.

Looking at a Test E only cycle but not sure about running the average 500mgs a week due to my size. Looking at running about 300-350/week.

Planning on running Novla for PCT with recommend dosages as per PCT posts on here. Also debating running 10mgs Novla a week for insurance.

Advice or suggestions would be awesome. Been reading a lot but its starting to all run together. Also debating on whether or not to add EQ to the cycle, though i have read it's not really worth it.

Thanks for any and all help.

**Blaz Kavlic** · 11-04-2011, 05:27 AM

Leave out the EQ bro and stick with the test only. It'd be a wise decision to run the test on its own first to see how your system responds. It'd be worthwhile to run an AI like Aromasin while on cycle and add some HCG to maintain some size in your nads if you can acquire it.

Good luck with your cycle.

**magic32** · 11-04-2011, 10:23 AM

Point by point for clarity...

Originally Posted by shortandstout

Stats:
27 yr old
5'6"
140lbs
8% BF
Lifting for 2-3 yrs solid
Diet in check, 3500+ cals a day

Def. a 'hardgainer' have never really been able to get above 145. Metabolism is through the roof.
This is negated by gear.

Looking at a Test E only cycle but not sure about running the average 500mgs a week due to my size. Looking at running about 300-350/week.
Size is not a cycle determinant. 500 mg/EW is optimal for a first cycle, anything lower is short-circuiting.

Planning on running Novla for PCT with recommend dosages as per PCT posts on here.
Great.

Also debating running 10mgs Novla a week for insurance.
Running AIs or Serms while on is unnecessary unless, well, unless it's necessary.
That is to say, unless you know from past experience how a compound will impact you, and are desirous of countering it, there's no need to haphazardly add ancillaries to your cycle. Furthermore, nearly anything that happens on cycle can be effectively counteracted after it occurs, making such unwarranted/insurance precautions impractical. I see you've been here since September...you should know this by now.

Advice or suggestions would be awesome. Been reading a lot but its starting to all run together. Also debating on whether or not to add EQ to the cycle, though i have read it's not really worth it.
I agree with Blaz here.

Thanks for any and all help.
Best to you.

**shortandstout** · 11-07-2011, 11:07 PM

So I just picked up a vial from my source and it's a 250 ml vial. Wow this is gonna be a lot more expensive than I thought. How long will test e be good sitting on the shelf? Looking to save some up and then cycle. Wasn't aware that I would go through two vials a week.

**SufferToReturnHarder** · 11-07-2011, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by shortandstout

So I just picked up a vial from my source and it's a 250 ml vial. Wow this is gonna be a lot more expensive than I thought. How long will test e be good sitting on the shelf? Looking to save some up and then cycle. Wasn't aware that I would go through two vials a week.

2 vials a week? what

**Epic01** · 11-07-2011, 11:19 PM

C if u can grab a couple 10ml vials, usually cheaper that way.

**Epic01** · 11-07-2011, 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by SufferToReturnHarder

2 vials a week? what

1 ml amps

**SufferToReturnHarder** · 11-07-2011, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by Epic01

1 ml amps

F that

**DrHealth** · 11-07-2011, 11:47 PM

IMO Your first cycle will always be your best cycle. Test E and an Mild Oral would be great. Just remember to keep your diet clean and take the proper supplements to sustain your gains. Lastly, Your heart is a muscle so make sure you work that out aka some form of cardio. Have fun and get blood work done pre and post.

**SufferToReturnHarder** · 11-08-2011, 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by DrHealth

IMO Your first cycle will always be your best cycle. Test E and an Mild Oral would be great. Just remember to keep your diet clean and take the proper supplements to sustain your gains. Lastly, Your heart is a muscle so make sure you work that out aka some form of cardio. Have fun and get blood work done pre and post.

Forget any other compound for the first cycle besides Test.

**sir.solidarity** · 11-08-2011, 12:12 AM

I personally disagree with anyone who says less than 500 is bad for a first cycle.
I did 250mg ew of test for m first and gained 20 lb's with minimal sides.

Most of the people who will tell you not to do less than 500 have never done less than 500.
I have done 250 and 500 mg cycles of test e, 500 gave me more sides/aggression (which can be good during workouts)

**SufferToReturnHarder** · 11-08-2011, 12:18 AM

Originally Posted by sir.solidarity

I personally disagree with anyone who says less than 500 is bad for a first cycle.
I did 250mg ew of test for m first and gained 20 lb's with minimal sides.

Most of the people who will tell you not to do less than 500 have never done less than 500.
I have done 250 and 500 mg cycles of test e, 500 gave me more sides/aggression (which can be good during workouts)

Agreed.
If running Test E, first cycle should range from 250-400 ew.

**DrHealth** · 11-08-2011, 01:11 AM

You must remember your first cycle is always your best. You don't need tons of gear to achieve what you're looking for. Less is always best.

**DrHealth** · 11-08-2011, 01:13 AM

Originally Posted by SufferToReturnHarder

Forget any other compound for the first cycle besides Test.

I firmly and respectfully disagree. Test only cycles are not optimal regarding your first cycle. I am not sure who spread that nasty rumor. Test only cycles are not complete. Yes test is some what anabolic & androgenic but you need a mixture of both unless you're taking HGH. You don't want to strength of 10 Men with tendons of a 90 year old lady. A beginner cycle could be Test and Anavar or Test and t-bol/ or Test/ Dbol . You don't need high dosages to see results.

**shortandstout** · 11-08-2011, 03:37 AM

ok, so my vial says 250mg/ml. How many doses should I get out of one vial?

I never intended to take the "usual" 500mg/wk dosage. I would like to know the true results of the test and I figured that being a smaller guy, see first post for stats, I wouldn't need as much test as a 6 ft 220 lb guy. I def. intend on doing it right but i don't want to way underdose for 10 weeks and waste money.

thanks for all the help/advice.

**shortandstout** · 11-08-2011, 09:40 AM

also have been looking into grabbing some HCG as it seems to be a good thing to run during cycle...has anyone heard of any bunk hcg on the web? My source is local and he doesnt carry hcg so i would have to get it on the net. from what I read there isnt much fake out there...