My 3 rd cycle

**freedo** · 11-04-2011, 05:39 PM

hello every body

my state :

age : 26
weight : 92 kilo
tall : 180 cm
bf : 10 %

in gym from 5 years

my last cycle was from year and half it was test ( prosten ) 100 + deca 200 day after day

my next cycle will be :

test 200 day after day + deca 200 day after day + stanzol 1 ml day after day

my cycle will be 12 weeks

my pct :

during : hcg 250 iu three times per week ( from week 1 to 14 )
nolva 10 mg every day from week ( 1 to 12)

after : clomid 15 mg every day ( week 15 )
clomid 100 mg every day ( week 16 )
clomid 50 mg every day ( week 17 )
nova 20 mg ed ( week 13 to 17 )

my question is

am not sure about my pct if it good or i should fix it

and my cycle should i add somthing else ?

**DIESELPWR** · 11-04-2011, 05:51 PM

For the stan, u put ml.. That doesn't tell us how much you are planning to take.. You need to put mg

**gixxerboy1** · 11-04-2011, 05:52 PM

day after day?
Do you mean every day or every other day?

**freedo** · 11-04-2011, 05:55 PM

the bottle of stanazol is 20 mli
50 mg \ ml

**redz** · 11-04-2011, 05:56 PM

You mean eod? what ester test will you be running?

**freedo** · 11-04-2011, 05:56 PM

every other day

**freedo** · 11-04-2011, 05:57 PM

test propionate

**redz** · 11-04-2011, 05:59 PM

You should probably drop the deca 2-3 weeks before you stop the test.

**freedo** · 11-04-2011, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by redz

You should probably drop the deca 2-3 weeks before you stop the test.

thanx redz but why ?

**redz** · 11-04-2011, 06:03 PM

The prop ester is out of your system much faster than deca so there is a risk that you could get problems like deca dick in those last few weeks leading up to pct.

**freedo** · 11-04-2011, 06:06 PM

thanks redz again

ok lets make deca just for 10 weeks and test for 12

so what do u think about my pct ?

and what shold i expect gains fro this cycle ?

**redz** · 11-04-2011, 06:14 PM

PCT looks ok, personally I usually run mine like this:

Clomid 50mg ed for 2 weeks then 25mg for 2 more weeks
Nolva 40mg ed for 2 weeks then 20mg for 2 more weeks.

If you feel you need to run the higher doses of clomid that is up to you but I find 50mg is plenty for me.

**freedo** · 11-04-2011, 06:19 PM

really you are helping me sooo much redz

what about stanzol ? shold i stop it with deca in week 10 ?

what about gains shold i expect from this cycle if the diet and training is good ?

should i add more deca or stanazol ?

**freedo** · 11-04-2011, 06:57 PM

up up up up up up up

**redz** · 11-04-2011, 07:01 PM

winstrol is out of the system quick so you can keep running that until you stop the test prop. I don`t think you will need more deca .

**gixxerboy1** · 11-04-2011, 07:08 PM

why such high doses?

**freedo** · 11-04-2011, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

why such high doses?

more gains

**redz** · 11-04-2011, 07:18 PM

more gains

More steroids does not equal more gains and sometimes it can be the opposite.

**Far from massive** · 11-04-2011, 07:19 PM

I think you whole cycle could use some rethinking. You are going to be running a very short ester test with an extremly long ester nandrolone . Pinning 200mg of Prop EOD for 12 wks is going to leave you pretty damn sore.

I would suggest swapping to Test E or C if you are going to run Deca (nandrolone decanoate). This is for several reasons, one as mentioned is the EOD or Daily pinning and the pain associated with short esters, two is that you want to allow the nandrolone to leave your body in a test rich environment, a long ester test like E or C will have a much better chance of keeping some test in your bloodstream while the Deca clears, see Deca takes over a month to clear so even if you ran the Prop for 3 wks longer it would clear your system before the Deca had leaving you with no testosterone in your system...not a good thing!

Another option, particularly if you already have the test prop would be to switch to Nandrolone PhenylProprionate or (even better IMHO) Tren Acetate. Then just go ahead and do a 6 wk blast (5 wks TrenA and 6 wks TestProp), while your first reaction might be No I don't want to do a short cycle....keep in mind that Deca generally takes about 6 wks to start working well and really needs to be run at least a total of 10 wks minimum to see good results so by doing a short cycle you will actually have more "Happy Time" than you would with your initial plan and on top of that PCT and recovery will surely be easier.

Just my 2 cents and you may have been overcharged :-)

**freedo** · 11-04-2011, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by Far from massive

I think you whole cycle could use some rethinking. You are going to be running a very short ester test with an extremly long ester nandrolone . Pinning 200mg of Prop EOD for 12 wks is going to leave you pretty damn sore.

I would suggest swapping to Test E or C if you are going to run Deca (nandrolone decanoate). This is for several reasons, one as mentioned is the EOD or Daily pinning and the pain associated with short esters, two is that you want to allow the nandrolone to leave your body in a test rich environment, a long ester test like E or C will have a much better chance of keeping some test in your bloodstream while the Deca clears, see Deca takes over a month to clear so even if you ran the Prop for 3 wks longer it would clear your system before the Deca had leaving you with no testosterone in your system...not a good thing!

Another option, particularly if you already have the test prop would be to switch to Nandrolone PhenylProprionate or (even better IMHO) Tren Acetate. Then just go ahead and do a 6 wk blast (5 wks TrenA and 6 wks TestProp), while your first reaction might be No I don't want to do a short cycle....keep in mind that Deca generally takes about 6 wks to start working well and really needs to be run at least a total of 10 wks minimum to see good results so by doing a short cycle you will actually have more "Happy Time" than you would with your initial plan and on top of that PCT and recovery will surely be easier.

Just my 2 cents and you may have been overcharged :-)

i have tren enanthat it works ?

and what about stanzol with + test e + deca ( nan. deconat ) ?

**gixxerboy1** · 11-04-2011, 07:58 PM

i think test e and deca are fine. no need to run a super high dose though

**freedo** · 11-04-2011, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

i think test e and deca are fine. no need to run a super high dose though

thanx gixxer so

test e 800 per week ?
and deca 200 day after day ?
and stanzol 1 ml ?

**gixxerboy1** · 11-04-2011, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by freedo

thanx gixxer so

test e 800 per week ?
and deca 200 day after day ?
and stanzol 1 ml ?

i would do the test at 500mg a week and the deca at 400 per week.

**freedo** · 11-05-2011, 04:51 AM

thanx gixxer

but now am confused

deca will go out from the system in 4 weeks
and test e will go out from my system in 2 weeks

so should i stop deca in week 10 and complete test e for week 12 then start pct ?

should i make the hcg for 3 weeks after cycle ? or 2 is enough ?

**freedo** · 11-08-2011, 12:31 PM

up up up up up

**freedo** · 11-09-2011, 04:09 AM

Originally Posted by freedo

thanx gixxer

but now am confused

deca will go out from the system in 4 weeks
and test e will go out from my system in 2 weeks

so should i stop deca in week 10 and complete test e for week 12 then start pct ?

should i make the hcg for 3 weeks after cycle ? or 2 is enough ?

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**Nuzzi** · 11-09-2011, 09:24 AM

doesnt sound like you have done much if any of your own research, and to be on your 3rd cycle? you should have alot more of this figured out, im no genius either but just sayin. 1ml of stane is way too much, start with about 12.5mg ed and see how it goes, if you get gyno symptoms go up to 25mg (1/2ml). As was already said stick with 500mg of test/wk, no reason to do more than that this early in the game. Im not sure about the nolva everyday during cycle, i would say its not needed but ill let some one else answer that one, and your pct looks screwy to me but some one had said it looked ok so everyones different. also i would think hcg 250 2x/wk is enough, just stop it one week prior to pct. please correct me if im wrong with any of this.

**gixxerboy1** · 11-09-2011, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by freedo

thanx gixxer

but now am confused

deca will go out from the system in 4 weeks
and test e will go out from my system in 2 weeks

so should i stop deca in week 10 and complete test e for week 12 then start pct ?

should i make the hcg for 3 weeks after cycle ? or 2 is enough ?

You can do that put you dont start pct until 2 weeks after your last test shot
hcg should be used during cycle and up to when you start your pct