First cycle advice.

**DoublePush** · 11-08-2011, 10:16 PM

Hey everyone, new to the site and just looking for some answers/opinions. I'm planning on starting a seven week cycle of tren and anavar and have talked to a good friend of mine with lots of experience but i still have some questions. I'm still waiting on the order to come in so I will fill in exact details on products when it does. He suggested taking 4-6 anavar per day and one injection of tren per week starting with 1-1/2mls the first two weeks, 2mls for three weeks, and 1/2ml for the last two weeks. I've read a lot saying that tren without test is murder for your sex drive, should I be worried at such a low dosage? And if so is their anything over the counter I can buy to counteract these effects? And what should I take (preferably over the counter as well) for after the cycle? The only experience I've ever had was three different four week cycles of m1t (decent gains but lost it quick). Any and all info is appreciated, thank you.

**gixxerboy1** · 11-08-2011, 10:19 PM

do not run that cycle. It is absolutely terrible. Then punch your friend in the throat for recommending it
No there is no over the counter stuff for pct.

What are your stats

**DoublePush** · 11-08-2011, 10:22 PM

5'7, 170ish. Not sure on body fat or anything like that.

**gixxerboy1** · 11-08-2011, 10:23 PM

how old are you

**DoublePush** · 11-08-2011, 10:24 PM

I'm 22

**gixxerboy1** · 11-08-2011, 10:26 PM

honestly i would wait a little before you do anything.
But a first cycle should be test only. And dont run a cycle unless you have real pct in hand.
DO NOT USE TREN
your friend is a real idiot

**DoublePush** · 11-08-2011, 10:30 PM

I had a few other friends running just tren before and seemed to have no issues. Any advice on the anavar at all? And what issues would I run into in your opinion if I were to run that cycle? (Just getting all the info I can to see why you are recommending not to)

**DoublePush** · 11-08-2011, 11:41 PM

And I guess my next question would be what would be the best way to use either of those? Specifically if I wanted to go ahead and try the tren (preferably without adding test, I have my reasons)

**DoublePush** · 11-08-2011, 11:50 PM

And I guess my next question would be what would be the best way to use either of those? Specifically if I wanted to go ahead and try the tren (preferably without adding test, I have my reasons)

**10nispro** · 11-09-2011, 12:46 AM

Are the reasons you want say, worth risking irreversible damage to your endocrine system? Dude think before you start putting compounds that can be dangerous to your health.

Also tren is one of the strongest steroids out there, along with its various sides and that's why the more experienced users are the ones using it

**DoublePush** · 11-09-2011, 01:01 AM

That wasn't where I was going with that statement, I have very limited access to ordering anything due to the fact that I live in Barracks and it is difficult to come by legitimate suppliers and the inherent risk of having it mailed onto base, as well as budget constraints. But nevertheless I am still looking for answers to my previous question ie the proper way to do a cycle like this (looking for actual answers based on the product I have at hand, not further ridicule). I can take constructive criticism as much as the next guy, but would prefer it be backed up with some information or recommendations, or further advice; instead of just being met with an entire thread of people saying "lol wtf ur an idiot for thinking that". Because unless you're giving me any other advice substantiated with personal experience or facts then it's just a waste of both our time, don't you think. I appreciate the concern but as of yet have not been given proper indication as to where the concern is coming from, because in my own research I have seen both sides argued on this type of cycle.

**BiG SEXi DAMAGE** · 11-09-2011, 01:11 AM

bro tren is very anaboloc causes alot of sides recomend test because at a low dose the sides wont be as bad and you will grow you take tren you are going to stuff yourself up and 1st cycle you dont know what its like you will get sick probly grow tits you dont know k stick with test ok dont touch tren yet iv never touched it its the most anabolic ass there is beginers shouldnt take it yourl grow from test try a test an dbol great combo 1st cycle

**DoublePush** · 11-09-2011, 01:17 AM

Thanks for the info, but like I said I only really have access to what is already ordered (long story short: friend ordered it, his girlfriend chewed him out, I agreed to take over the order). Would it be alright to try just the Anavar ? I'm really not looking for a lot of growth, more for toning/hardening with a bit of lean gain.

**10nispro** · 11-09-2011, 01:22 AM

You came onto this site looking for advise on a cycle. It was recommended you not do it for several reasons but you seem not to want to hear that.

You are 22 years old and you want to take steroids that have the potential of damaging your endocrine system and causing you to be on hormone repla***ent therapy for the rest of your life, even though you are producing plenty on test until 24. Just cause your buddies have gotten lucky, why tame the risk.

If you would read the stickies you will have more facts about all you just mentioned and more. I've done enough cycles to loose count now so yes I do have the experience to back up said statements.

the reason you lost all your gains is you didn't do a proper pct after your pro-hormone cycles. And if you and your buddies don't use a pct afterwards your own testosterone making system will be slow to recover along with losing all your gains

**10nispro** · 11-09-2011, 01:25 AM

I do understand your frustration with money being tight and bailing out your friend. Lots have run a var only cycle with descent gains(but best with test and only mentioning it) but they did a proper pct afterwards

**DoublePush** · 11-09-2011, 01:34 AM

Obtaining a pct shouldn't be a problem before the end of the cycle, and that's exactly what I'm looking for just answers. I did read much of the stickies (bla bla no point arguing anymore). What would be the best dosage to start with for a good cycle? And just asking about the tren (I'm not going to just throw it out) about how long experience wise should I wait before trying it (with test once I can budget for it), and what kind of dosage would be best? Thank you for the understanding of my situation, it's tough already paying for the shacks and forced mess hall food but now I'm really budgeting for an unplanned (but certainly not unwanted) baby on the way.

**10nispro** · 11-09-2011, 01:44 AM

Dang bro you have a lot of stressors going on. One of the things with tren is it makes you very moody, aggressive, and on edge. That's probably the last the you want with a hormonal woman in the same house.

There no secret number but I know guys that have cycled for years before they gave tren a try. See if you can ask around and trade the tren for some test. That way you don't waste or spend money and you can do a safe and proper cycle.

**DoublePush** · 11-09-2011, 01:48 AM

Thankfully she's not in the same house she's a few cities away (just until the end of my course) and it might be possible to trade it off but I kind of doubt it. But, if I did manage to get hold of some test what would be a good cycle to try it with the Anavar ?

**10nispro** · 11-09-2011, 01:50 AM

I know a guy in the same type of situation you are in with a pregnant wife. He was using tren only plus his wife didn't know he was cycling. She was horny, he couldn't get it up, and she went ballistic. She went from, he was cheating on her to he thinks she is ugly cause she is pregnant. He had to come out and admit to the cycle. He got a hold of some test but had to take cialis for a little while to allow test to kick in.

**DoublePush** · 11-09-2011, 01:53 AM

Lucky for me my girlfriend is fine with me cycling and if worst came to worst Cialis is surprisingly easy to get in the military haha.

**10nispro** · 11-09-2011, 01:55 AM

var only cycle would be 50-60mgs per day for 6-8 weeks. Take a liver support and watch your cholesterol cause orals are known for this.

if you can get test, run 500mgs per week for 10-12 weeks injecting every Monday and Thursday or 3.5 days. That's 250mgs per shot. You can add the var the last 6 weeks along with the test.

**Jack Schwagger** · 11-21-2011, 09:55 PM

double push, write out the stacks you want to try, and dosages and what lab you use. a friend of mine has been taking my blood on and off cycles to help watch my blood levels for cholesterol or blood iregularites as you will require to do this as you prolong and advance your cycle

also there are certain stacks that are more prone than others to cause higher blood pressure if you dont look after your diet or run it too long.

also your dosing for tren is wrong, like i said tren is still to early for you to try in my opinion.

acidity in your body will be a concern as well as you improve and modify your stacks. the more anobolics you take the protein you will require the more protein you have you body becomes more acidic. neutralizing your body is very important as well

**The Bear 79** · 11-21-2011, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Schwagger

doublepush, email me your cycle and body stats. I use a friend that s a doctor that gives me pretty good advice. I talked to him a lot when I first started my cycles when i was 23. I agree tren is very hard on the system at first. its better to stick with a test and an milder stack, still gives great results because you are younger.

1st of all, neither of u can PM yet, & 2nd, all his stats are posted here in this thread 4 u 2 view.

**Jack Schwagger** · 11-21-2011, 10:06 PM

im new here, whats pm?

**The Bear 79** · 11-21-2011, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Schwagger

im new here, whats pm?

Private Message. U referd 2 it as email.

**dec11** · 11-21-2011, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Schwagger

doublepush, email me your cycle and body stats. I use a friend that s a doctor that gives me pretty good advice. I talked to him a lot when I first started my cycles when i was 23. I agree tren is very hard on the system at first. its better to stick with a test and an milder stack, still gives great results because you are younger.

OP and anyone else, ignore this type post. reported

**Jack Schwagger** · 11-21-2011, 10:11 PM

whats OP?

**Jack Schwagger** · 11-21-2011, 10:12 PM

why am i being ignored now?

**The Bear 79** · 11-21-2011, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Schwagger

why am i being ignored now?

A respected vet of this forum has flushed ur credibility.

**Jack Schwagger** · 11-21-2011, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by The Bear 79

A respected vet of this forum has flushed ur credibility.

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credibility? you mean my friends who have successfully bodybuilded with medical backgrounds? lol. i apologize for any wrong information I may or may have shared here. all the power to you guys

**JohnnyVegas** · 11-21-2011, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by Jack Schwagger

why am i being ignored now?

Dec said to ignore the kind of post that you left. Asking someone to email so you could give them top secret, super awesome info is BS. Usually it is someone looking to deal, or worse, someone that is scamming. Both of which will get you banned.

I am not leaving this message for you, but rather for new guys that don't yet know to watch out for anyone looking to "help" via email or PM.

If your advice is legit, leave it here so it can be commented on by others with experience.

**Jack Schwagger** · 11-21-2011, 10:51 PM

holy hell. i usually forward the emails to my contacts that look over work out routines, stacks, diets on excel and have them comment and send back. i dunno about you guys but i weight measure everything not just juice pal.

i have no reason to scam or deal anything.
but fair enough, that makes sense.