Injection site issue, PLEASE HELP

[mr.trenoob]

So I did my first Pin on tuesday of Test-E in my right glute, followed all sterilization procedures and Pin went smooth, no pain at all. A few hours later it started to get sore, and then the next day it was swollen and hurt like a mother ****er. Same thing yesterday and today. There is zero redness or itching and the swelling doesn't seem like it has gotten any bigger. I have however felt pretty achy and within the last hour or so I have started to feel a little light headed when I get up. Just checked the spot again, still no redness and swelling doesn't appear bigger. I have also read that there was a batch that had to high of BA content so wasn't sure if I got that. Now, what I am wondering is, could I be feeling this lightheaded feeling because it is almost time to Pin again so my test levels are dropping? I was sent another batch with a diff expiration date and a slightly lower dosage per ML (first was 300 per ML this batch is 250 per ML). Also it would be good to note this is my first cycle so not sure if any of this has to do with it being virgin muscle. Should I try pinning with this new batch or should I wait till the swelling is down and I feel better? Please advise!

[DrHealth]

May I ask why are you shooting in your glutes? I have never understood why people do that. The Delts, Tri's Biceps and even your quads are much more efficient. Do you know your source where you get your gear from?

[mr.trenoob]

May I ask why are you shooting in your glutes? I have never understood why people do that. The Delts, Tri's Biceps and even your quads are much more efficient. Do you know your source where you get your gear from?

from all I have read the glutes seem to be the more popular place to pin. I researched for months and found a place where there are lots of reviews on sources and the one I ordered from had the best reviews. That being said I can't be 100% certain but it seems pretty legit and as I said they sent me a second batch in case I got the stuff with the high BA content which seems pointless if they were a scam or something.

[jeepfreak]

I rotate glutes and quads.....glutes never get sore or stiff anymore, quads still get sore as Hell everytime.....I have read that glutes aren't as efficient as other sites, but it obviously works cause I'm bigger and a lot stronger. I like glutes, they are not easy to reach but for me they are pain free....

[sir.solidarity]

Why would any site be less efficient than another if it's intramuscular?

[sizzlechest]

Is the site warm to the touch? Are you running a fever?

[DrHealth]

Why would any site be less efficient than another if it's intramuscular?

Because you carry more fat in your butt region than your delts. tri's bicep's. Besides why would you do inject in the butt when you more than likely have to sit down on it at work and not move around. You want to inject into an region where you workout.

[mr.trenoob]

Is the site warm to the touch? Are you running a fever?

no to both of these. I am actually feeling a bit better as well. probably just to much BA content I'm guessing.

[sizzlechest]

Good news. I think the problem with injecting into arms is the volume you can safely put in there. I personally dont do more than 1.5 ml in the delts with the .5 usually being b12. I've done quads a few times and I cant walk for 3 days afterwards. If you are bigger the volume might not be an issue.

[Far from massive]

This thread lacks a lot of questions that should have been asked. How large were the injections? What needle and how deep did you go? Did you inject in the inner outer quadrant of the buttucks?

Answers,

Virgin flesh (first time using) is always more sensitive. The size of the injection will have a large effect on this, so if you were going to do 500 a wk you would want to do with 300mg/ml gear you would want to inject .85 ml every 3.5 days not 1.7 ml once a week.

In the glutes (which are a great place to hit first cycle) you want to inject at least an inch deep into the muscle, if you are fat you may want to go 1.5 inchs deep. If you do not go deep enough the BA will often cause severe pain and localized swelling since you injected into the fat layer not the muscle. The upper outer quadrant is the location on the gluteal muscle you want to hit, not the middle of the butt cheek ( google IM gluteal injection or just Itramuscular injection techniques for information and videos on how to do IM injections.

For a first cycle 400 should be fine (although some do 500) this should be broken into two shots, one every 3-4 days. That is 3.5 days is half a week so you may find it easier to inject alternate every three days then every 4th this will make no difference to your bodys absorption.


Good luck, google IM injection techniques and look here for information on begginer cycles and PCT you will likely benefit greatly.

FFM


PS Although you can just pin glutes since you will only be injecting every 3.5 you will want to rotate injection sites eventually so you may as well go ahead and try out your quads and delts. Quads will hurt more than glutes and delts work fine but you defintely do not want to go over a CC till you get used to pinning.

[mr.trenoob]

This thread lacks a lot of questions that should have been asked. How large were the injections? What needle and how deep did you go? Did you inject in the inner outer quadrant of the buttucks?

Answers,

Virgin flesh (first time using) is always more sensitive. The size of the injection will have a large effect on this, so if you were going to do 500 a wk you would want to do with 300mg/ml gear you would want to inject .85 ml every 3.5 days not 1.7 ml once a week.

In the glutes (which are a great place to hit first cycle) you want to inject at least an inch deep into the muscle, if you are fat you may want to go 1.5 inchs deep. If you do not go deep enough the BA will often cause severe pain and localized swelling since you injected into the fat layer not the muscle. The upper outer quadrant is the location on the gluteal muscle you want to hit, not the middle of the butt cheek ( google IM gluteal injection or just Itramuscular injection techniques for information and videos on how to do IM injections.

For a first cycle 400 should be fine (although some do 500) this should be broken into two shots, one every 3-4 days. That is 3.5 days is half a week so you may find it easier to inject alternate every three days then every 4th this will make no difference to your bodys absorption.


Good luck, google IM injection techniques and look here for information on begginer cycles and PCT you will likely benefit greatly.

FFM


PS Although you can just pin glutes since you will only be injecting every 3.5 you will want to rotate injection sites eventually so you may as well go ahead and try out your quads and delts. Quads will hurt more than glutes and delts work fine but you defintely do not want to go over a CC till you get used to pinning.

I know you are just being thorough but everything you said I should do I am doing. Today the swelling is a little less and the pain isn't as bad. Also pinned with the other test they sent me lastnight in my left glute and today I only feel mild soreness. Leaning towards to high BA content or maybe my girlfriend pinned a little to quickly. Thanks for all the info anyway, appreciate the thought!

[sir.solidarity]

Because you carry more fat in your butt region than your delts. tri's bicep's. Besides why would you do inject in the butt when you more than likely have to sit down on it at work and not move around. You want to inject into an region where you workout.

Are you actually uneducated or are you just a troll?

[DrHealth]

Are you actually uneducated or are you just a troll?

Excuse me? Troll. I'm pretty sure you're some amateur that doesn't know his ass from his mouth. Before you insult any one intellectual mental capacity, you should question yours. There is no need to call names if you disagree. I can personally guarantee my educational level is far beyond what your miniscule putrid half catachrestic mind can comprehend. When you're dealing with PROFESSIONALS who used PED's for a living, I would like to believe I have some knowledge in this arena on a ND level. A lot of the info on here is street and there are no anecdotal evidence to back up claims. Just because someone writes a book about substances or have done 1000 cycles doesn't mean anything. Go to school for 6 1/2 years & do an 3 year internship while competing at the highest level then TALK. We made money while you use for recreational purposes. It was our lifeline while you use because you read some book. I simply joined this site to help spread some insight from a medical stand point. Continue to shoot in your glutes if you like. Build a ton of scar tissue in the process. Call it the "ASS" workout. Ask any real pro. None of them do it NONE! I'm not saying you can't but there are much better ways use more effectively. Intelligent bodybuilding is the way to go. Another thing never inject into your calves. Do you own due diligence and find out why.

[Matt]

Lets keep this on track and civil please guy's...

Thanks...

[DrHealth]

Lets keep this on track and civil please guy's...

Thanks...

I agree. If we disagree about something that's ok. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. What angered me was the name calling which is petty.

[dtob]

So I did my first Pin on tuesday of Test-E in my right glute, followed all sterilization procedures and Pin went smooth, no pain at all. A few hours later it started to get sore, and then the next day it was swollen and hurt like a mother ****er. Same thing yesterday and today. There is zero redness or itching and the swelling doesn't seem like it has gotten any bigger. I have however felt pretty achy and within the last hour or so I have started to feel a little light headed when I get up. Just checked the spot again, still no redness and swelling doesn't appear bigger. I have also read that there was a batch that had to high of BA content so wasn't sure if I got that. Now, what I am wondering is, could I be feeling this lightheaded feeling because it is almost time to Pin again so my test levels are dropping? I was sent another batch with a diff expiration date and a slightly lower dosage per ML (first was 300 per ML this batch is 250 per ML). Also it would be good to note this is my first cycle so not sure if any of this has to do with it being virgin muscle. Should I try pinning with this new batch or should I wait till the swelling is down and I feel better? Please advise!

Yeah bro im no expert at all but my 2 cents is your ba content issue sounds like the culprit glad to hear its going away

[Matt]

Have a read of this..

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...=#.Tr76LGDw5CI

[mr.trenoob]

Have a read of this..

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...=#.Tr76LGDw5CI

I actually did read that which was why i was leaning towards high BA content. I was moreso looking for advice on whether or not I should pin again with the other gear or wait till I felt better. Ended up pinning with the other gear, no pain during pin and only mild soreness today. Also feeling better as well so hoping this knot goes away soon.

[dec11]

May I ask why are you shooting in your glutes? I have never understood why people do that. The Delts, Tri's Biceps and even your quads are much more efficient. Do you know your source where you get your gear from?

i agree, tried em twice and think they're a horrendous awkward messy site, seems to be a noob thing. i much prefer traps, quads, pecs and delts

[mr.trenoob]

Still have no fever, no redness, a little less swelling and soreness. Do you think going in a hot tub would help at all or should I stay away from using a hot tub?

[sir.solidarity]

Excuse me? Troll. I'm pretty sure you're some amateur that doesn't know his ass from his mouth. Before you insult any one intellectual mental capacity, you should question yours. There is no need to call names if you disagree. I can personally guarantee my educational level is far beyond what your miniscule putrid half catachrestic mind can comprehend. When you're dealing with PROFESSIONALS who used PED's for a living, I would like to believe I have some knowledge in this arena on a ND level. A lot of the info on here is street and there are no anecdotal evidence to back up claims. Just because someone writes a book about substances or have done 1000 cycles doesn't mean anything. Go to school for 6 1/2 years & do an 3 year internship while competing at the highest level then TALK. We made money while you use for recreational purposes. It was our lifeline while you use because you read some book. I simply joined this site to help spread some insight from a medical stand point. Continue to shoot in your glutes if you like. Build a ton of scar tissue in the process. Call it the "ASS" workout. Ask any real pro. None of them do it NONE! I'm not saying you can't but there are much better ways use more effectively. Intelligent bodybuilding is the way to go. Another thing never inject into your calves. Do you own due diligence and find out why.

If you possess any desire to step off your pedestal and provide me some evidence regarding the difference in efficiency regarding intramuscular injection sites, I'd appreciate it.
I researched it well before I ever cycled because I too was curious and was never able to find ANY evidence stating or proving that somehow injecting in say, your glutes would be less effective than say, your biceps.

It's like spot reduction, it's all muscle tissue, it's all going to be metabolized or disposed of. It's not like you just inject it into your biceps if you want them to grow.
How is the fat tissue relevant, how can you blankly state every individual has specific proportions of fat in said region?

And frankly, you just blatantly state OH THAT'S STUPID WHY DO YOU DO THAT with absolutely no rebuttal. If you want to help someone or share information than perhaps you should back it up instead of embellishing your education while denouncing the integrity of internet based information WHILE you tell us over the internet about how educated you are and what we should be doing.

I'm here to be educated and help educate others, not win arguments or discuss my accomplishments. If you provided me with more information that improved my personal knowledge, I would be grateful.
I also do feel this is on track and worth discussing, as it is very relevant and educational.

So instead of saying "why do people do that" maybe you could enlighten me with your 6 1/2 years of education as to WHY I SHOULDN'T.

edit: you also have 78 posts, so when you say something that's completely unfortified that defies common logic regarding AAS, someone is going to call bullshit, seriously...what the hell sensitive sally?
I want to understand this, not win an argument, so please, enlighten me if that's your purpose here.

[DrHealth]

If you possess any desire to step off your pedestal and provide me some evidence regarding the difference in efficiency regarding intramuscular injection sites, I'd appreciate it.
I researched it well before I ever cycled because I too was curious and was never able to find ANY evidence stating or proving that somehow injecting in say, your glutes would be less effective than say, your biceps.

It's like spot reduction, it's all muscle tissue, it's all going to be metabolized or disposed of. It's not like you just inject it into your biceps if you want them to grow.
How is the fat tissue relevant, how can you blankly state every individual has specific proportions of fat in said region?

And frankly, you just blatantly state OH THAT'S STUPID WHY DO YOU DO THAT with absolutely no rebuttal. If you want to help someone or share information than perhaps you should back it up instead of embellishing your education while denouncing the integrity of internet based information WHILE you tell us over the internet about how educated you are and what we should be doing.

I'm here to be educated and help educate others, not win arguments or discuss my accomplishments. If you provided me with more information that improved my personal knowledge, I would be grateful.
I also do feel this is on track and worth discussing, as it is very relevant and educational.

So instead of saying "why do people do that" maybe you could enlighten me with your 6 1/2 years of education as to WHY I SHOULDN'T.

edit: you also have 78 posts, so when you say something that's completely unfortified that defies common logic regarding AAS, someone is going to call bullshit, seriously...what the hell sensitive sally?
I want to understand this, not win an argument, so please, enlighten me if that's your purpose here.

Again It doesn't matter about how many post's I have. This is a pissing contest. Unfortified? Man do me a favor. Go to a University or a good library and STUDY. I'll say it once more. There are better injections areas than shooting your glutes. Why don't you do your own due diligence and find out why. You can disagree with everything I said but when you called me a troll, you crossed the line. We have already been warned about this so I am going to leave it at that. If you want more info trust me. In the next few weeks, i'll post things on here with real anecdotal evidence. 78 posts. Wow. Who cares. Maybe I had a life before coming on here. Maybe my medical practice takes my time away from posting things. In any case, keep the name calling to yourself and I won't insult your intelligence.

[sir.solidarity]

Again It doesn't matter about how many post's I have. This is a pissing contest. Unfortified? Man do me a favor. Go to a University or a good library and STUDY. I'll say it once more. There are better injections areas than shooting your glutes. Why don't you do your own due diligence and find out why. You can disagree with everything I said but when you called me a troll, you crossed the line. We have already been warned about this so I am going to leave it at that. If you want more info trust me. In the next few weeks, i'll post things on here with real anecdotal evidence. 78 posts. Wow. Who cares. Maybe I had a life before coming on here. Maybe my medical practice takes my time away from posting things. In any case, keep the name calling to yourself and I won't insult your intelligence.

You can't just come on here, make a strong claim regarding AAS, not back it up, and expect to be respected because you claim to be a doctor. I can say I'm a scientist too, watch...

I'm a scientist.

I called you a troll because I thought you were doing exactly that, trolling...

You have yet to insult my intelligence effectively because you've failed to provide anything other than claims of prestigious post-secondary education followed by mentions of "pissing contests", which is rather ironic.

This forum relies heavily on post count in relevance to tenure, so frankly, it is worth mentioning.

Unless you provide some form of explanation regarding your claim that: site of intramuscular injection determines effectiveness and "glutes" are one of the lesser of those effective choices, I will not respond further to preserve the integrity of this thread.

Thanks.

[DrHealth]

You can't just come on here, make a strong claim regarding AAS, not back it up, and expect to be respected because you claim to be a doctor. I can say I'm a scientist too, watch...

I'm a scientist.

I called you a troll because I thought you were doing exactly that, trolling...

You have yet to insult my intelligence effectively because you've failed to provide anything other than claims of prestigious post-secondary education followed by mentions of "pissing contests", which is rather ironic.

This forum relies heavily on post count in relevance to tenure, so frankly, it is worth mentioning.

Unless you provide some form of explanation regarding your claim that: site of intramuscular injection determines effectiveness and "glutes" are one of the lesser of those effective choices, I will not respond further to preserve the integrity of this thread.

Thanks.

I won't even comment after this. You truly not worth my time or my practice. As I said again you can shoot in your glutes but it is not the preferred injection site I also said I don't understand why would people do that. That was my statement. You couldn't be a scientist. Trust! Go on wikipedia or whatever you get your concrete information and READ! My license is far more important than proving a point to someone who think their shi* don't stink. Move on with your life and your hard on for me.

[mr.trenoob]

So today, less swelling, less pain, but now there is redness. Should I be worried since everything else seems to be getting better? this ****ing sucks

[BigBadWolf]

So today, less swelling, less pain, but now there is redness. Should I be worried since everything else seems to be getting better? this ****ing sucks

From the same injection site or a new one?

[mr.trenoob]

same one. its just confusing cuz i have certain symptoms and not others for different things. No fever, less swelling, less soreness but now redness.

[Maddawg]

I think injecting into the glutes are a great place to inject, especially if you have someone to do it for you. In the past, I have went all delts in most of my cycles, but decided to give all glutes a try this time since I have so much scar tissue building up in my delts...Are you using new pins every time and swabbing the bottle and the site? Everyone is different, a buddy of mine had that same problem with some Test E. I used some of his and had no problem whatsoever. Give it a little bit longer, you've only been pinning a week now right?

[mr.trenoob]

So swelling is almost completely gone now and pain is considerably less. Also got a statement from my source that the batch i received had some issues with concentrations being off so he is replacing it. Thanks for all the input here guys but I think I'm going to be fine. I'll be sure to let you know if my ass cheek falls off though.

[Maddawg]

Good deal man. Nothing like getting a free bottle.