On First Cycle with a few questions.

[Bowtye8]

Hello All,
First off my stats.
6'1" 235lbs 40yrs old. 18%BF Been working out decent for 1.5 yrs.(Worked out also back when I was 20-23)

My main goal is to boost my strength. My goal of Benching 315 and squat 405.(Just my personal goal) Currently can bench 235 for 1 rep and Squat 335 for 3 reps.
I am happy with my size. I understand I could go up to 250 or so while on AS

I am on my second week of pinning Andropen 275. Sundays .5cc and Thursdays .5cc.
Supplier said keep at that for about 3 more weeks then try .75cc 2x/week (Looking to do a 12-14 week total cycle)

2 Different gym folks said I would be good with taking DHEA to help keep my personal "Test" going and Indole-3-carbinol as a estrogen blocker. Both of these purchased at the local vitamin shop.

Any strong feelings on these 2 types of products. Dont take them or????
Thanks

[xelnaga]

You need an actual anti estrogen like arimidex; you will also need post cycle therapy such as nolva/clomid. Since you already started you should try to spend the weekend getting up to speed.

[im83931]

OTC estrogen blockers are shyte for controlling estrogen related sides when on cycle. Also I disagree with bumping up the test dose. IMO you should maintain a constant level throughout the cycle. I've never used andropen 275 so when you say 0.5 cc it doesnt mean anything to me. What are the mg's you are taking?

[stpete]

If i'm not mistaken, 1cc = 275mgs..thus the .5 injections. Meaning he's only shooting 275mgs EW.
OP-If this is correct, i don't like it. I think it's rather low and you should do 1cc twice a week imo...And i'd start that next injection.
And forget those OTC supps...Get the real stuff.
And you need to do some research on PCT ASAP.
I believe DHEA will make you more gyno prone while on cycle but can't be sure. I know Marcus300 has a great write up on it. Might want to check it out. I'll see if i can find it for you.

[Bowtye8]

Listed from bottle
Andropen 275 contains 20mgs of Testosterone Acetate, 75mgs of Testosterone Cypionate, 90mgs of Testosterone Decanoate, and 40mgs each of Testosterone Propionate and Phenylpropionate in a 20ml bottle.
I will be reading up here this weekend and get a order in ASAP for the above listed items
arimidex and nolva/clomid\

A few guys I spoke with said they just did 1cc for the week but after reading some I about being short esters 2x per week was perfered.
Thanks all for the help.

[Bowtye8]

OK- I have been reading. I am getting ready to order some
LiquiDex <- to start asap when arrives
LiquiNolv <- to start after last pin. I have to read since on exact timeframe. 5 days or 2 weeks after
And I was going order to have this as a spare or future cycle
LiquiClo
Should I just stick with the LiqNolv?

Thanks

[Bowtye8]

I just completed my 3rd week. I went with .75cc 2x week. I hope to asume that would be 412.5mgs of andropen 275?
I have some Liq-Dex and Liq-nov in hand
How much does the dropper hold. Bottle reads 30ml- 1mg/1ml After some reading I should start Dex with .25mg/wk. ?

So far very happy with my results. I am tracking my workouts(excercises and weights)
Took a few pics a few days ago. Will try to post one.
Thanks
Bow

( Edit -I read up. 1 full dropper is 1mg...So I will start with 1/4dropper .25mg eod)

[MR10X]

use a syringe without the needle to dose your Adex and Nolvadex. .25 Ed of Adex is a good starting dose,you can increase it if need be.As far as the test dosage since the aproximate half life of the shortest ester is about 3 days i dose mine every three days.

[Bowtye8]

Passing along a update. Finishing up week 6.

Progress and gains are excellent. Squated 365 4 times on Monday. Benched 255 on Tuesday. Getting 225 for 5 reps.
Started the cycle at 233lb and upto 248lb. Some bloat. I am running in the 20% bodyfat range.

Loving the growth and strength. Taking .20 or liq Dex everyday before bed. I dont apear to have any sides occuring.
The last 2 weeks have felt great.Really good pump at the gym. I will have a hard time ending the cycle........ Planned for 12-14 week cycle.

Pinned my quad for the first time this evening. Been alternating glutes.(Some soreness now and then nothing unbearable) Pinned the quad just because I wanted to overcome the fear. Tried last week and pinned the glute instead.
Sidenote- Went to the doctor. Was talking to the doc about excercise etc. He mentioned am I talking any type of test. I did not lie. He then siad who is administering it. I said I am. Then he gave me the look.
He asked to do some bloodwork and gave me all the speech about the side effects of taking AAS.I should get teh results in a few days.

I will try to snap a pic this weekend. I have a pic from about 3 mths ago so should be a good comparision.

[Bowtye8]

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