Going to church. This is basic.

[nashvilleterror]

I have planned this for two months, made sure I had time, ordered gear, changed my mind, ordered different gear, ordered pct, studied my diet, fixed my diet, etc.. So I guess Im ready to start my cycle, but every god damn time I get online, I read something else that makes me reconsider. At any rate, Heres my plan. please tear it apart or give it the seal of approval.

Week 1-4: 500mg Test Enanthate/week, 30mg Dianabol/day, 25mg Proviron/day
Week 4-10: 500mg Test Enanthate/week, 25mg Proviron/day
Week 11-12: 2000iu Human Chorionic Gonadotropin/week
Week 13-14: Nolvadex 40mg/day

I am not frontloading because this is my first cycle
I am spreading the Dbol out throughout the day (pill every 2 hours w/ meal)
Using HCG to jumpstart balls between last test dose and start of PCT
Proviron throughout cycle to keep estrogen low and muscles hard
Lift 2 days, Cardio 1 (30 min) Lift 2 days Cardio (30 min) Rest 1. I can elaborate, if anybody wants.
Shooting for 5000 calories daily, 2-3g protien per lb bw, lots of carbs from pasta, brown rice. Lots of Veggies, beans and broccoli especially.

I guess thats it. Killing it in the gym I think is the biggest thing and giving time to recover. I read all the newbie posts, but I still want a little tailored info to my cycle. Any recommendations, changes?

I am 6'2" 206lbs 9% bf. Lifting hard for one year, but off and on for about 5-6. Im excited to take the next step. Barring any huge mistakes I may have made in buying all my stuff, I am starting monday.

[Bulkn]

Seems ok, just add clomid in pct.
Dbol doesnt have to be ran at the start, you can use it at the end if you like.

[nashvilleterror]

Seems ok, just add clomid in pct.
Dbol doesnt have to be ran at the start, you can use it at the end if you like.

Thank you for the reply. Isn't Clomid the same chemical makeup as Nolvadex (tamoxifen), just a weaker version?

[Bulkn]

Thank you for the reply. Isn't Clomid the same chemical makeup as Nolvadex (tamoxifen), just a weaker version?

Nope, they are different. Look into it, its best to use both.

[Times Roman]

1st cycle? I'd skip the dbol. get to know what test does first. don't confuse the effects by taking two things you have never taken before at the same time. next time, if you feel so compelled, then you can add dbol.

[gixxerboy1]

thats alot of hcg for those 2 weeks

I would add clomid
i would also do nolva for 4 weeks at 40/40/20/20

[nashvilleterror]

thats alot of hcg for those 2 weeks

I would add clomid
i would also do nolva for 4 weeks at 40/40/20/20

Ok, I will add clomid since it seems to be highly recommended.
Do you use HCG with your cycle? Why is 2000iu too much?

[nashvilleterror]

1st cycle? I'd skip the dbol. get to know what test does first. don't confuse the effects by taking two things you have never taken before at the same time. next time, if you feel so compelled, then you can add dbol.

Well... this might be clever, or a beginner mistake, but I started the Dbol a week before my first Test pin and kept it low (20mg/day) to see what Dbol alone felt like. Tomorrow is my first pin, so 6 days on Dbol at low dose and I definitely feel a tiny physiological shift. Not good or bad, but there. Anyway, Im already committed to doing both, so I think I will stick it out. Thank you. I see your posts a lot and always good stuff.

[nemesisd]

Well... this might be clever, or a beginner mistake, but I started the Dbol a week before my first Test pin and kept it low (20mg/day) to see what Dbol alone felt like. Tomorrow is my first pin, so 6 days on Dbol at low dose and I definitely feel a tiny physiological shift. Not good or bad, but there. Anyway, Im already committed to doing both, so I think I will stick it out. Thank you. I see your posts a lot and always good stuff.

How is your strength and weight after the first week with dbol alone?? How much did you weigh before your first dbol dosage??

[dec11]

Well... this might be clever, or a beginner mistake, but I started the Dbol a week before my first Test pin and kept it low (20mg/day) to see what Dbol alone felt like. Tomorrow is my first pin, so 6 days on Dbol at low dose and I definitely feel a tiny physiological shift. Not good or bad, but there. Anyway, Im already committed to doing both, so I think I will stick it out. Thank you. I see your posts a lot and always good stuff.

it was. you should only use test for a first run out.

[nashvilleterror]

it was. you should only use test for a first run out.

This is the first place I have seen that Dbol is not recommended for a first cycle. Every thing else I read says Dbol and Deca or Dbol and Test for beginner cycle until I came here the day before I start, looking for a little input mostly on my PCT.

So, If I did not use the Dbol, would I be better off to front load my test, or is that not generally recommended for beginners either?

Nemesis,

Gained about two pounds this week. I measure every day, so thats just the average increase this week over the average daily last week. Strength feels increased, but probably all mental since it was only 20mg for a week.