Planning my first cycle. Scared shitless...

[rapookie]

As the title says...I am afraid of going the test way. Been working out on and off for the past 12 years or so but could never reach that HUGE mass. I am 30 yrs old, 6'2" and 190lbs.

1. I hear a lot of people cut before starting a cycle. At my height/weight do I really need to cut? Probably not. What is the main purpose of cutting before a cycle?

2. I plan on doing a 6 week cycle with 500mg test E split into 2 250shots in a week.

3 PCT I plan to do Clo as recommended by a friend who has done this before. He also says that I will not need anything else because this is my first cycle and 500 per week is not enough to worry about too much of sides. Is this correct?

I'll be honest, I am afraid to start after reading about and knowing all the possible side effects and risks. BUT at my size/age and with the dosage I plan on doing..... what are some realistic results and realistic problems I may encounter? At his dosage and cycle length, is there really a risk for my body to never recover to the regular test production?

4. I am concerned about hair loss. I still do have a head full of hair but MPB does run in the family and the hair is thinning on the top of my head. Will this dosage do any real damage? If so, will hair come back to normal after cycle is done?

Thanks guys...would really like some info from experienced members who have done this.

[gixxerboy1]

thats not a very good cycle test e take about 4-6 weeks to kick in
and you will need more then clomid for pct.
What is your bf%?
Also if you are having trouble gaining the main problem is probably your diet. And steroids dont make up for a poor diet.
Why dont you post what you typically eat for a day?

[chuckt12345]

i would add nolva to pct
yes it could speed up hair loss a bit
and 6 wks really wont do shite for you, ,you need to start reading

[stpete]

x2....

[JohnnyVegas]

Agree with EVERYTHING above.

With a little reading, and a little advice, you will be good to go. Your caution is a very good thing.

[rapookie]

thats not a very good cycle test e take about 4-6 weeks to kick in
and you will need more then clomid for pct.
What is your bf%?
Also if you are having trouble gaining the main problem is probably your diet. And steroids dont make up for a poor diet.
Why dont you post what you typically eat for a day?

My bf% I would guess is somewhere around 10-12%.

As far as diet goes yes, I do know I don't eat as much as I probably should. During my hard work out periods I make sure I intake around 230g of protein per day. I do not eat a large breakfast though which is something I know I need to change. During those periods I can bulk up, still stay cut but cant get my weight get passed 200lbs. So usually my weight fluctuates between 190lbs (not working out) and 200lbs (going at it hard).

Breakfast: yogurt and banana .... I know thats pretty lame...
Lunch: chicken wrap
before workout: whey protein shake
after workout: whey protein shake
dinner: 2 pieces of chicken
before sleep: casein protein shake

Total around 230g protein per day

So you are saying that in 6 weeks I will not see much? And why wouldn't Clo be enough for such short/light cycle?

[gixxerboy1]

dude you whole diet sucks, i dont know if thats 230g of protein but even if it is its pretty low and there isnt many calories there. thats why you can break 200

[rapookie]

dude you whole diet sucks, i dont know if thats 230g of protein but even if it is its pretty low and there isnt many calories there. thats why you can break 200

Well....I only put down the protein sources....obviously there is pasta or veggies with the chicken and a burger here or there. But yea...maybe Ill just try to do it all over again without test but with the right diet.

[gixxerboy1]

goto the nutrition section here. It will be worth it

[stpete]

And post your entire diet. Leave nothing out. They'll be more than happy to help.

[sir.solidarity]

Going to post my personal responses to your questions, sorry if they're rehashed from others I didn't read the whole thread yet.

1. Assuming your bodyfat is in check... At 6'2 190 cutting seems unnecessary. In the case that you were higher body fat, it would be to dispel any potentially dangerous sides from being above say...18% (maybe it's 22%) bf

2. My first cycle was almost identical to this, except there was d-bol included in the first 4 weeks. I got good results but many will disagree with the length. I personally think 5 weeks of a low dosage is more than enough to make solid gains for a first cycle with minimal sides and low HPTA suppression. Once again, personal opinion from personal experience.

3. Considering your title has the words "scared shitless and first cycle" in it. I wouldn't contribute to your stress by risking no PCT. Do your pct and do it right or suffer potentially permanent risks. Ignore your friend and don't start your cycle until you have everything in your possession.

The UN-numbered question. Realistic? It's always different for the individual. The most mild are the most common, acne, increased libido, hair thinning (less common imo) increased aggression, ect. Drastic sides are usually proportionate to the harshness of the cycle. But that's not ALWAYS the case.

4. I don't think you're risking much at a cycle of that length.

Look man, anything is possible, it's a risk we all take, some UN-knowingly, which is what we're here for. If you follow PCT procedures you should be fine.

Good luck

[rapookie]

Going to post my personal responses to your questions, sorry if they're rehashed from others I didn't read the whole thread yet.

1. Assuming your bodyfat is in check... At 6'2 190 cutting seems unnecessary. In the case that you were higher body fat, it would be to dispel any potentially dangerous sides from being above say...18% (maybe it's 22%) bf

2. My first cycle was almost identical to this, except there was d-bol included in the first 4 weeks. I got good results but many will disagree with the length. I personally think 5 weeks of a low dosage is more than enough to make solid gains for a first cycle with minimal sides and low HPTA suppression. Once again, personal opinion from personal experience.

3. Considering your title has the words "scared shitless and first cycle" in it. I wouldn't contribute to your stress by risking no PCT. Do your pct and do it right or suffer potentially permanent risks. Ignore your friend and don't start your cycle until you have everything in your possession.

The UN-numbered question. Realistic? It's always different for the individual. The most mild are the most common, acne, increased libido, hair thinning (less common imo) increased aggression, ect. Drastic sides are usually proportionate to the harshness of the cycle. But that's not ALWAYS the case.

4. I don't think you're risking much at a cycle of that length.

Look man, anything is possible, it's a risk we all take, some UN-knowingly, which is what we're here for. If you follow PCT procedures you should be fine.

Good luck

Thanks for the info man, thats exactly what I was looking for - someone who did a similar cycle and their experiences. One question though...what PCT did you do with this similar cycle?

Thanks

[sir.solidarity]

Very unconventional but I actually did 2 weeks of a-dex and dbol 2 weeks after my last shot before bridging into another test cycle.

So, recap.
Week 1-5 500mg test-e e/w
week 1-4 dbol 20mg e/d

week 6-7 OFF
week 8-9 .5 adex e/d 10mg dbol e/d

week 10+ new cycle

I had minimal sides and kept my HPTA going, was unconventional but it worked for me because of low dosage and short intervals.

Regardless, my suggestion would be 6 weeks 500 e/w follow by 4 weeks nolva. 40/40/20/20
or even adex to cleanse the estro issue and bump the HPTA since it shouldn't be fully disabled instead.

Many may disagree and I respect all others opinions and suggest you take theirs into account as well. Vets here have vast amounts of experience that I do not.

[rapookie]

Very unconventional but I actually did 2 weeks of a-dex and dbol 2 weeks after my last shot before bridging into another test cycle.

So, recap.
Week 1-5 500mg test-e e/w
week 1-4 dbol 20mg e/d

week 6-7 OFF
week 8-9 .5 adex e/d 10mg dbol e/d

week 10+ new cycle

I had minimal sides and kept my HPTA going, was unconventional but it worked for me because of low dosage and short intervals.

Regardless, my suggestion would be 6 weeks 500 e/w follow by 4 weeks nolva. 40/40/20/20
or even adex to cleanse the estro issue and bump the HPTA since it shouldn't be fully disabled instead.

Many may disagree and I respect all others opinions and suggest you take theirs into account as well. Vets here have vast amounts of experience that I do not.

Thanks again.....this seems like the cycle that I read is recommended. Why would you go with Nolva and adex instead of Clo....your personal opinion...

[SufferToReturnHarder]

No disrespect towards Solidarity, but absolutely do not do what he claims to have done his first cycle. Secondly, as mentioned plenty times above, figure out your diet. Diet is key my friend. Make sure you do a lot more research before beginning any type of cycle

[rapookie]

Thats exactly what Ive been doing for some time now...research. Reading articles, reading posts in different forums, talking to people...its difficult though as everywhere I look I get different opinions. Only 1 thing everybody (including myself) agree on - the diet. As far as the cycle and PCT ... there is never an agreement so its difficult to make a decision.

[sir.solidarity]

No disrespect towards Solidarity, but absolutely do not do what he claims to have done his first cycle. Secondly, as mentioned plenty times above, figure out your diet. Diet is key my friend. Make sure you do a lot more research before beginning any type of cycle

No, you're right, I agree that the methods I took were far to improvised and unconventional.

The only portion that I stand by is the effectiveness of a shorter cycle, especially as a first. I don't knock others methods but I'm speaking from honest experience. I was able to put on and hold onto 20lb's in a 5 week cycle of test-e with a very small dose of d-bol e/d.

My PCT/Bridge was the part I strongly dissuade anyone from replicating.

If you want to take away the taboo regarding short cycles you could half the dose and double the length, but most are going to knock you for doing 250 e/w.

The absolute bottom line standard for a first cycle is typically Test alone as a base with Nolva/Clomid PCT.

For example:

Week 1-10
Test-E, 500 a week, 250 every M/Th

Week 11-12
Off, no compounds

Week 13-16
Nolvadex, 40ed/40ed/20ed/20ed (each subsection representing a week)
Clomid, 100/100/50/50

The test can be tweaked between 400-500, you could go as low as 250 but I wouldn't breech 500 for a first cycle.
I'd suggest researching d-bol as a 4 week kick starter but the general consensus is usually sticking with Test and only Test.

[gixxerboy1]

there is no taboo on shorter cycles. So if you are going to run a short cycle you gear with a short ester and do it correctly

[jeepfreak]

I agree with gixxer, go with a short esther if ur gonna run a short cycle...I'm running test-e only cycle. I'm right in the middle of week 6 and I'm just now starting to see real results this past week or so. I would be pissed if I had to stop now

[rapookie]

I agree with gixxer, go with a short esther if ur gonna run a short cycle...I'm running test-e only cycle. I'm right in the middle of week 6 and I'm just now starting to see real results this past week or so. I would be pissed if I had to stop now

So if you were to stop now, is there any health risks or is it just a "wasted" cycle because your results are just starting to come out? What if you dont see any bad sides and have enough gear to keep going another week or two? That would solve the problem no?

[SufferToReturnHarder]

So if you were to stop now, is there any health risks or is it just a "wasted" cycle because your results are just starting to come out? What if you dont see any bad sides and have enough gear to keep going another week or two? That would solve the problem no?

There are health risks no matter what. He could stop now and properly pct, but why would he want too? It would be a wasted cycle. Test e is usually ran from 10-12 weeks, no less. That initial kick with test e comes in around weeks 4-6, which is why it would make absolutely no sense to run it for only 6 weeks. But really, your main concern shouldn't be gear now, but rather your diet.

[cb714]

Focus on your diet first bro. That's the most important part of it all.

6 week cycle is way too short for Test E. Around that time is when you'll start making most of your gains. You wanna bump it up to 10-12 weeks.

You should add nolva to your pct. Probably get some HCG too for the last few weeks of the cycle.

I think everyone reacts differently as far as hair loss. Im prone to going bald but test hasn't really done much to speed up the process. I think the DHT derived compounds are the ones that take a bigger chunk out of the hairline. Again, everyone is different but if you're worried about hair loss there are products you can take to help with that.

Just work on that diet bro... good luck.

[rapookie]

Thanks for all the answers.

Would a 10 week cycle be too long to by my first cycle? It sucks cause I can get test e and test c which are both long esther.....I doubt I can get anything else.

But yes....diet will be first anyway.

[cb714]

10 weeks is good. two 10 ml vials will get you through the 10 weeks but I'd get an extra one to be safe in case one is a bit short on oil or if you mess up an injection.

Thanks for all the answers.

Would a 10 week cycle be too long to by my first cycle? It sucks cause I can get test e and test c which are both long esther.....I doubt I can get anything else.

But yes....diet will be first anyway.