first cycle tren a?

[waylon18]

Hello,
New to the site and looking for some info. Read alot already and its very useful.
Iv been working out for a bit now and a friend of mine came by some tren a for a decent price. i bought it but havent done any yet.
Im wondering if this would be a bad call or not?
22
5'7
150 pounds
14.6 body fat
I do not have a test to run right now either...
Dont plan on doing another cycle after this at the moment running Novadex for a pct

any imput would be greatly appreciated!
thanks alot

[xelnaga]

I had a buddy that literally lost his mind after doing 10 weeks of tren w/ no test. No PCT either because they dont supply that at the looney bin. He was most likely predisposed to mental illness ( heck he was my friend so he must of been); but its always left me with a sturdy respect for how powerful tren is. Def. not a first time steroid .

Please explain why you think you want to just do steroids one time? This isnt like experimenting with street drugs.

[waylon18]

well thats alittle discouraging! all i ment by not planning is that i havnt decided if and when i would do my second cycle, and i want to see how my gains end up. i was just gunna do one vile which is 10 shots of 100 two time a week while eating great and going working out 6 times a week
thanks for the quick reply

[waylon18]

Ok well i did my first shot on monday and im feeling good. Im also taking enpulse pills which is a test booster Im getting my bcp on friday and will take my first shot on monday. also running milk thistle and joint support. getting plenty of protein and getting close to 4000 cals a day. workouts feel really good. Should i be good to continue?

[The Bear 79]

U hav 2 stop NOW!! Test boosters r a bull sh!t waste of $$$$, they do NOTHING, u r injecting the most powerful 19 NOR available 2 man, & ur doing so without a Test. supplement................VERY BAD IDEA!!!! Ur headed 4 disaster! Also, @ ur age, there is significantly greater risk of doing potentially irreversible damage 2 ur undeveloped Endocrine / HPTA. It's obvious, u hav done little to no research, u need 2 stop now b4 u regret it.

[BG]

Honestly you need to stop, take a step back and re-think whats your doing.

[Lemonada8]

Tren without test is bad!
And with your age , no need to use anything other than test.
Ur gains will be basically the same on test n tren for a first cycle. But the difference in problems is incredible and can take YEARS to fully recover everything to back feeling like a man... I would stop ASAP sell the tren and get test if u really are dead set in cycling but I bet with some further research it would change your mind.
Read marcus300 thread on the endocrine system

[waylon18]

Alright im done with it forsure then. I know i really havnt done much research at all. im just glad i decided to start before i went to far! Hopefully i can get rid of this stuff. Im going to research before i do anything else but with my stats could someone maybe help me out with a good solid cycle to bulk up a bit and keep it? what forum is the thread on by the way? i cant find it on the search... thanks guys!

[The Bear 79]

Alright im done with it forsure then. I know i really havnt done much research at all. im just glad i decided to start before i went to far! Hopefully i can get rid of this stuff. Im going to research before i do anything else but with my stats could someone maybe help me out with a good solid cycle to bulk up a bit and keep it? what forum is the thread on by the way? i cant find it on the search... thanks guys!

BY MARCUS300 AAS: Things to consider before starting a first cycle (Great Read)

This is a article I wrote for MD online, due to all the newbies around here i feel I should post it here.



Discipline and dedication are principles that you are going to have to master if you are serious about bodybuilding, being consistent with your diet and training will help you succeed in achieving your goals. Don't have tunnel vision in thinking you will only build muscle if your taking AAS, below are some of the main principles you need to consider before taking any AAS


AGE
In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection /tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.



TRAINING
You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.

Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.

Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development


DIET
A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.

No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition , food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT . Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.

This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet /food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment.

[The Bear 79]

BY MARCUS300 The Young and Steroids

The young and Steroids

Due to the recent number of PM's ive been receiving regarding age and steroids I thought i'd write this thread to try and help some of our younger members. Ive also been having a conversation with my Endocrinologist who may give a more profession opinion on the subject:

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding . Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

[auswest]

150lbs @ 15%bf? Think you best be looking at your diet and dedication in the gym....

[10nispro]

Just continue eating clean and lots. Your natural test will love you for it and work out hard.

You will thank all that gave you smart advise and got you to quit this cycle. Hang around and learn. This site is the best for learning with many knowledgeable people and great friends

[The Bear 79]

150lbs @ 15%bf? Think you best be looking at your diet and dedication in the gym....

Those stats on a 5'-7" frame aren't that bad.

[auswest]

Those stats on a 5'-7" frame aren't that bad.

Not so sure tbh @ 15% with only 150lbs let's say shredded to single digits lose I dunno 10-20lbs??? So you're looking at 130-140lbs that's what my mrs weighs at that height....

[auswest]

Not here to hate on stats but a solid consistent diet is what is needed and a look at gym routine

[The Bear 79]

Not here to hate on stats but a solid consistent diet is what is needed and a look at gym routine

Agreed.

[waylon18]

Great reads man thanks alot. My bf might be alittle higher than that... i just did a bf calculator thing online to figure it out, i later read add a bit to that since its not so accurate. im not that small really. i just recently slimmed alot due to a more physical job we took on at work. i do ALOT of stairs everyday now and probably lost more than 10 pounds in the past month or so already. I just gotta figure out how to build a solid diet now and ill continue to go hard working out.

[waylon18]

also do i need to be running a pct now? if i continued this test booster i already bought would it be enough? thanks again

[10nispro]

go to the diet section and search around. Post a days diet and let those gurus take a look. They will get you on the right track and growing

[10nispro]

stop the test booster and don't worry about the pct