Testosterone Enanthate First Timer

**brodg807** · 11-21-2011, 02:26 PM

I have been actively going to the gym for the last 4 years now. I have spent time with personal trainers and feel I have gotten down a solid workout routine as well as diet. I have seen fairly big gains from the first time I walked in the gym, I have increased in size and strength. I have a couple of buddies who have used Testosterone Enanthate to push themselves up further than I have. I have been contemplating giving this a try also. I'm 6'1" and 195lbs and just want to add on a bit more mass. I have been researching on the different sites trying to get as much info as possible, but there is a lot out there. My main concern is side effects and discontinuing the cycle. As of right now I am planning on a 12-15 week cycle of around 500 mg/ week. I am looking for some advice on if this is a good starter dose or if I should decrease it a bit and also what I should look at stacking with it. I have seen some info saying to use AIs (ie. Armidex & Letrozole ) during the cycle. Then I saw some info saying in the weeks leading up to discontinuing to use Nolvadex and Proviron daily and to finish with Clomid and hCG . If there is anyone out there that can give me some good advice on this it would be extremely appreciated. I definitely want to go about this the right way with the absolute minimal amount of adverse effects. Lastly, You can't ask these questions here, please read the rules..

**Matt** · 11-21-2011, 02:53 PM

400/500mgs of test e for a beginner is a good start....

Nolva and clomid would be for pct and hcg is best run during cycle....

You can have an ai on hand, such as extremstane or adex for erse's.......

Ps

Welcome to the board...

**JohnnyVegas** · 11-21-2011, 03:02 PM

Welcome!

I cannot say anything better than what is above.

**brodg807** · 11-21-2011, 03:06 PM

Thanks man. Would you use Nolva and Clomid together or just one? Also, I'm not sure what and erse is, but do you think an AI is a must have or just kind of overkill?

**MikeRazz** · 11-21-2011, 03:09 PM

^^good set up, how old are you though?

**MikeRazz** · 11-21-2011, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by brodg807

Thanks man. Would you use Nolva and Clomid together or just one? Also, I'm not sure what and erse is, but do you think an AI is a must have or just kind of overkill?

AI's are good to have on hand just in case your estrogen gets out of control ( too high ) adex works real well to kill off excess but you dont wanna keep your estrogen level too low either thats bad

**brodg807** · 11-21-2011, 03:12 PM

I'm 27. I'm sure its obvious, but how would you know if your estrogen levels are too high/low?

**brodg807** · 11-21-2011, 03:19 PM

How long would you be staying on the Nolva/Clomid afterward?

**MikeRazz** · 11-21-2011, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by brodg807

I'm 27. I'm sure its obvious, but how would you know if your estrogen levels are too high/low?

bloodwork every 3 weeks or so..unless you start getting tits ie. gyno then its pretty obvious somethin ain't right

**MikeRazz** · 11-21-2011, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by brodg807

How long would you be staying on the Nolva/Clomid afterward?

about 6-8 weeks but dont quote me on that, someone with more experience needs to answer that one

**brodg807** · 11-21-2011, 03:33 PM

Thanks a lot guys. I really appreciate the help.

**Matt** · 11-21-2011, 03:35 PM

^^ Maybe start a log bro so we can all watch your progress...

**cb714** · 11-21-2011, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by brodg807

Thanks man. Would you use Nolva and Clomid together or just one? Also, I'm not sure what and erse is, but do you think an AI is a must have or just kind of overkill?

Both together would be ideal. There are plenty that just use nolva though. Keep some Aromasin around for estro side effects. Use HCG for on cycle instead of pct.

What's your BF%?

**brodg807** · 11-21-2011, 03:52 PM

Last time I checked it it was around 16% and I'm guessing it is still around that, I may have shed a bit, but it wouldn't be much. I saw to take for 6-8 weeks, is that the ideal amount of time and if so what would the dose amount be for each?

**chuckt12345** · 11-21-2011, 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by brodg807

Last time I checked it it was around 16% and I'm guessing it is still around that, I may have shed a bit, but it wouldn't be much. I saw to take for 6-8 weeks, is that the ideal amount of time and if so what would the dose amount be for each?

dont need to run pct that long,, 4 wks would suffice

**cb714** · 11-21-2011, 04:03 PM

Originally Posted by brodg807

Last time I checked it it was around 16% and I'm guessing it is still around that, I may have shed a bit, but it wouldn't be much. I saw to take for 6-8 weeks, is that the ideal amount of time and if so what would the dose amount be for each?

Are you talking about HCG ?

If you are, you're gonna get all kinds of different replies on that one. Some say take it your entire cycle, some say right after it's done in those 2 weeks between cycle and pct, some say end of cycle only. I don't think there is a clear definitive answer on the best protocol for HCG. What worked for me this time around was the last 4 weeks of my prop cycle. I was knockin back 1000 IU's per week for the last 4 weeks. I guess it depends on whether you mind being shut down for a while or not. I can personally care less whether I am or not so I waited til the end. The only thing I have heard that everyone seems to agree on is that being on HCG for too long will cause more harm than good.

**brodg807** · 11-21-2011, 04:54 PM

I was talking about the Nolva/Clomid in that response. What do you mean by shut down?

**brodg807** · 11-21-2011, 05:05 PM

With the hCG , do you take the injections, pills or drops and how much? And what is the general purpose of this? Sorry for all the questions, I just want to be sure I do everything the right way. I'm still a little nervous about trying this.

**brodg807** · 11-21-2011, 05:08 PM

With the hCG , do you take the injections, pills or drops and how much? And what is the general purpose of this? Sorry for all the questions, I just want to be sure I do everything the right way. I'm still a little nervous about trying this.

**cb714** · 11-21-2011, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by brodg807

I was talking about the Nolva/Clomid in that response. What do you mean by shut down?

Yeah then how Chuck said, it's too long. Sorry thought you were talking about HCG . Oh and "shut down" means when your balls stop producing test and shrink, which is what happens when you supply your body with more testosterone than it needs. This is the reason why we do PCT.

Originally Posted by brodg807

With the hCG, do you take the injections, pills or drops and how much? And what is the general purpose of this? Sorry for all the questions, I just want to be sure I do everything the right way. I'm still a little nervous about trying this.

HCG is injection. You inject it into your fat with an insulin needle. It's used to keep you testicles working throughout your cycle so it does not shut down completely. Makes it easier to recover when you're done.

**sizzlechest** · 11-21-2011, 05:36 PM

The test should do it for you. I did test E and Deca on my first cycle. The only thing is you might want to stay 10 weeks or below on your first cycle.

**The Bear 79** · 11-21-2011, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by sizzlechest

The test should do it for you. I did test E and Deca on my first cycle. The only thing is you might want to stay 10 weeks or below on your first cycle.

Y would u want 2 use the Enanthate ester for less than 10 wks?

**FCVtec** · 11-21-2011, 06:26 PM

I am sorry but I disagree. Especially with a long ester like Enanthate I would do a 12-14 week run(first cycle stay at 12 weeks). From week 7 - 12 you get some pretty decent gains, those are the best weeks as far as muscle gain goes for me at least, I wouldn't kill those last 2 weeks for nothing!

**brodg807** · 11-22-2011, 09:46 AM

Thanks for everything guys. The help has been much appreciated.

**Fetch** · 11-22-2011, 09:52 AM

Test E weeks 1-12 400-500 mg/week, split into biweekly shots. Mon/Thurs for example.
Weeks 14-17 Clomid/Nolva

HCG is taken to keep your balls pumping. It stimulates LH, which is a precursor hormone to Testosterone . The benefit is such that when you get off cycle, you will more likely resume natural production of Testosterone asap. Whether you take it the entire cycle or at the end is up to debate.