First Cycle Test E and Dbol

[gearbox]

my point was to be 18% bf and only 175lbs at 5'10 means his training and diet need to be reworked before getting on gear. not that his bf was the reason.

i agree..he could of worded it different, but having guys be under 15%bf is not alot to ask...and this person is going on dbol which is used for bulking...you should be lower bf% cause you will most likely gain some due to high calorie diet.

[gearbox]

how is it going to be beneficial for anyone to jump on aas when they seem to not have a proper diet or years of training...

[GymRat96744]

^^^ thanks for the concern bro didn't know you cared so much ;-)

Day 3

Trained this morning. Felt like I could have stayed and trained all day. Don't feel much of anything else. Sweating way more then usual and feel like my body tempature has gonna up. But that's about it. Next pin is tomorrow. Will weigh myself at the begining of next week.

[dec11]

Taking Dbol for 4 weeks at 40 mils a day may be a bit much. Liver will work overtime. From past experience 40mil for 2 weeks was plenty to jump start.

rubbish, and its mg's not ml's

[GymRat96744]

rubbish, and its mg's not ml's

I was confused on that one too dec11

[YrRndFit21]

18% bf, 175lbs at 5'10" sounds like you have barely any muscle. You have a lot of natural growing before you do a cycle, especially one that intense.

[FCVtec]

He's 14 % and to be honest, Saying the guy is 175 lb 14% doesnt necessarily mean he doesn t have a base(Im not saying either way). But from personal experience I am 5'7'' had a way small frame and my natural weight at age 20 - 21 was 135lb. I worked my self up to 155 and then started the juice... THERE IS NO WAY I WOULD'VE PASSED 155 NATURALLY with my stupid genetics. So don't be so quick to judge. I was also around 12-14% bf and looked pretty fit at 155 but not much size at all. Only the Juice was able to give me some size past 155. Depends on the person, With a small frame and fast metab 5'10 175 14% could be a good start (I M NOT SAYING ITS A GOOD START FOR HIM. I'm just saying depending on the circumstances this scenario could be acceptable). I can't find where he mentions how long he's been training for.... Did I miss that?

Just as a example, I am 5'7 195lb and if I eat less than 3500cal a day I start losing weight rapidly since I am way above my natural weight. You may think 5'7'' 195 is not huge(and I agree, is just okay) but to maintain that with the body I have is a hell of a mission! He may be a similar case.

[GymRat96744]

He's 14 % and to be honest, Saying the guy is 175 lb 14% doesnt necessarily mean he doesn t have a base(Im not saying either way). But from personal experience I am 5'7'' had a way small frame and my natural weight at age 20 - 21 was 135lb. I worked my self up to 155 and then started the juice... THERE IS NO WAY I WOULD'VE PASSED 155 NATURALLY with my stupid genetics. So don't be so quick to judge. I was also around 12-14% bf and looked pretty fit at 155 but not much size at all. Only the Juice was able to give me some size past 155. Depends on the person, With a small frame and fast metab 5'10 175 14% could be a good start (I M NOT SAYING ITS A GOOD START FOR HIM. I'm just saying depending on the circumstances this scenario could be acceptable). I can't find where he mentions how long he's been training for.... Did I miss that?

Just as a example, I am 5'7 195lb and if I eat less than 3500cal a day I start losing weight rapidly since I am way above my natural weight. You may think 5'7'' 195 is not huge(and I agree, is just okay) but to maintain that with the body I have is a hell of a mission! He may be a similar case.

I have been training for 4 yrs now. But only started focusing on building mass in the past year. Both my mother and father are small. So I'm pretty sure I don't have the genetics to grow big and quick like some guys are gifted with.

[dec11]

I have been training for 4 yrs now. But only started focusing on building mass in the past year. Both my mother and father are small. So I'm pretty sure I don't have the genetics to grow big and quick like some guys are gifted with.

not alot of ppl have.

im naturally not that big, i still managed to get to 205lbs naturally.....

[FCVtec]

5'10'' 205 14% all natural would be pretty big IMHO. Not many can do grow that big and keep under 15% without any "help"... I was looking at your stats Dec11 and If @ 5'9'' you achieved 205 naturally with less than 15% then you have gifted genetics IMO.

[GymRat96744]

not alot of ppl have.

im naturally not that big, i still managed to get to 205lbs naturally.....

Wow that's impressive bro. Wish I had genetics like yours.

[GymRat96744]

5'10'' 205 14% all natural would be pretty big IMHO. Not many can do grow that big and keep under 15% without any "help"... I was looking at your stats Dec11 and If @ 5'9'' you achieved 205 naturally with less than 15% then you have gifted genetics IMO.

I have to agree dec11 has good genetics. 205 natural or with help is huge to me.

[dec11]

5'10'' 205 14% all natural would be pretty big IMHO. Not many can do grow that big and keep under 15% without any "help"... I was looking at your stats Dec11 and If @ 5'9'' you achieved 205 naturally with less than 15% then you have gifted genetics IMO.

na, i dont have gifted genes for it mate, my untrained BW would be around 160lbs. that was a 16yr slog to get to that, i was around the 12% bf mark at that weight. i had an extremely solid base through years of comp plifting, i was 75kg class for years and sub 10% bf, i gave up smoking and soon went up to 90kg class. infact, plifting is the type training i'd recommend to noobs starting off in the iron game, gives a great base to BB off.

[GymRat96744]

na, i dont have gifted genes for it mate, my untrained BW would be around 160lbs. that was a 16yr slog to get to that, i was around the 12% bf mark at that weight. i had an extremely solid base through years of comp plifting, i was 75kg class for years and sub 10% bf, i gave up smoking and soon went up to 90kg class. infact, plifting is the type training i'd recommend to noobs starting off in the iron game, gives a great base to BB off.

10% bf for a plifter! Wow bro that's awsome. All the plifters where I'm at all have tons of bf and huge bellys. But they are strong as ****.

[dec11]

10% bf for a plifter! Wow bro that's awsome. All the plifters where I'm at all have tons of bf and huge bellys. But they are strong as ****.

i was naturally lean when younger and i know alot of lean plifters, infact the majority at our comps were in good shape until 110kg classes and over

[GymRat96744]

My gym has a few power lifters and all are just crazy big. I haven't seen any lean ones at my gym.