When do the gains slow down?

**Coozan** · 12-10-2011, 09:16 AM

When do the gains slow down? I'm 6' and 190 at 10% fat. Even if you average 7 lbs a cycle there's no way in 10 cycles I would be walking around looking like The Rock. I know some is genetics and some is Muscle maturity. But on your average guy how many cycles can you do and make the huge gains?

**Times Roman** · 12-10-2011, 09:22 AM

Mate, I think you are looking at this all wrong. Most of us are in pretty damn good shape BEFORE taking AAS. Which means we've got the natty gains that have been slowly developing for a few years. If you do not have a natty foundation, most of your gains will vanish after your cycle.

Here's how I look at it...

The easier and faster it comes on, the easier and faster it comes off. If you want something semi permenant, then you must do the hard work, and put in the years.

So to answer your question, I would say that the hard gains should already be in place before cycling, and therefore, no good answer to your question.

**Coozan** · 12-10-2011, 09:27 AM

I have been lifting for 4 years 5 days a week. But could believe when i put on more lean weight in 3 months then I had in 3 years ;0 But thanks for your imput

**Times Roman** · 12-10-2011, 09:33 AM

another way of looking at this....

time off = time on + pct

if a 12 week cycle, then 2 cycles a year is pushing it.

everything takes time....

**Coozan** · 12-10-2011, 10:15 AM

Thanks

So on a 12 week cycle should you take 12 weeks off even tho PCT is 8? :s

**Times Roman** · 12-10-2011, 10:20 AM

yes. Not sure you need 8 weeks for PCT? thought it was closer to 4 weeks, (so definately do your homework in the pct section), but I agree in theory with the formula

time off = time on + pct

**The Bishop** · 12-10-2011, 10:22 AM

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**Times Roman** · 12-10-2011, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by The Bishop

5 days a week for 4 years?!?!

You could be overtraining which would limit your gains, or you could just be a :liar: .

not called for mate. OP was asking an honest question, and was doing so in a mature and respectful manner.

I believe he deserves the courtesey for me to respond in kind.

my .02

**SufferToReturnHarder** · 12-10-2011, 11:00 AM

Originally Posted by The Bishop

5 days a week for 4 years?!?!

You could be overtraining which would limit your gains, or you could just be a

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hmm. This statement is out of place. Op, as times said, gains take time, don't over do it.

**gixxerboy1** · 12-10-2011, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by Coozan

Thanks

So on a 12 week cycle should you take 12 weeks off even tho PCT is 8? :s

time on + pct time = time off
So if you do a 10 week cycle. Wait 2 weeks to start your pct. Then do 4 weeks pct. Thats a total of 16 weeks. So 16 weeks after you finish you pct is start time.

**Coozan** · 12-10-2011, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by The Bishop

5 days a week for 4 years?!?!

You could be overtraining which would limit your gains, or you could just be a

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Please enlighten me how 5 days a week is over training. Cause I'm more then interested.

Mon Chest
Tues back
Wed Legs/abbs/ obliques
Thurs Shoulders Cardio
Fri Bi's and tri's

Weekend off

If you find there's over training here please fill me in. I'm a mechanic so I don't exactly work hard. I sleep 8-9 hours a night, and take nutrition very serious. I joined this forum to gather information to better endure myself. I don't need to be called names

**The Bishop** · 12-10-2011, 01:36 PM

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**dec11** · 12-10-2011, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by The Bishop

Post picture,diet, more detailed workout routine and more can be explained. Also, at 5 days a week training 8-9 hours of sleep is not enough.

10 hours minimum for full recovery cycle on average.

I may have hap-hazardly called you that because Ive never seen anyone train for 5 days a week for 4 years, ever, even pros. So lets see a few pics

Also, that statement also applied to your weight gain comments because at 5 days a week for 4 years, you should look like the rock if your diet is tip top..

total and utter garbage

**SufferToReturnHarder** · 12-10-2011, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by dec11

total and utter garbage

I like how you catch him before he edits out his comments.

**The Bishop** · 12-10-2011, 01:57 PM

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**SufferToReturnHarder** · 12-10-2011, 02:00 PM

No. He's just catching you sayin foolish things.

**The Bishop** · 12-10-2011, 02:01 PM

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**dec11** · 12-10-2011, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by The Bishop

Hes my stalker...

no, BS needs corrected

Originally Posted by SufferToReturnHarder

No. He's just catching you sayin foolish things.

yup....

Originally Posted by The Bishop

Um, I learned that you need 10 hours a night sleep MINIMUM from this site...Thats not too foolish...

Bishop, you obviously lack experience and do not know what you're talking about, try not to spread the 'broscience'

**The Bishop** · 12-10-2011, 03:03 PM

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**dec11** · 12-10-2011, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by The Bishop

Lack of experience in working out? Uh, no... In taking Gear? Yes, just one cycle..

Broscience:
A sarcastic term implying that the time tested, muscle building wealth of knowledge developed and utilized by successful, experienced bodybuilders is inferior to the continually shifting hypotheses of articulate, textbook-savvy 155lb. chemists with little or no real world first-person experience to substantiate their conclusions. The term "Broscience" is oft repeated on bodybuilding and fitness oriented internet forums in an attempt to demonstrate online dominance as a substitution for success in the arena of actual bodybuilding.

Now, since I did admit that I hap-hazardly used the term why are you brow-beating me stalker?

Sheesh..

correct, you obviously dont know much about training given what you've just been quoted on above. continue this if you like, it'll only end one way. you just jumped on and called the chap a liar, and then post rubbish 'advice'

i like the way you run back and edit everything you've posted (kind of pointless as its been quote replied to), kind of tells us all something, doesnt it?

**The Bishop** · 12-10-2011, 03:17 PM

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**dec11** · 12-10-2011, 03:27 PM

Originally Posted by The Bishop

#1 I don't know what a "chap" is... Not a term used here..

#2 I don't know what "rubbish" is...Not a term used here...

#3 If posting incorrectly or out of date and wanting to change a post there is an edit option. Something wrong with using it?

#4 As much BS as you spew at people often you wish to critique me? Kind of the coffee calling the kettle black aren't we? But I digress, for yet a 3rd time Dec11. As you pursue..

feel quite free to pull any wrong advice ive given from my post history. then we'll have a look at yours, shall we? and sorry, if you dont know what 'rubbish' means, im sure you can use an online dictionary.

**Coozan** · 12-10-2011, 03:32 PM

Thanks Dec11. At least someone know whats up

**Sgt. Hartman** · 12-10-2011, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by The Bishop

#1 I don't know what a "chap" is... Not a term used here..

#2 I don't know what "rubbish" is...Not a term used here...

#3 If posting incorrectly or out of date and wanting to change a post there is an edit option. Something wrong with using it?

#4 As much BS as you spew at people often you wish to critique me? Kind of the coffee calling the kettle black aren't we? But I digress, for yet a 3rd time Dec11. As you pursue..

I don't know where you're from but "chap" and "rubbish" are both well known words to all who speak the english language.

chap - A man or boy; a fellow.

rubbish - worthless, useless, or unwanted matter; discarded or waste matter; refuse; foolish words or speech, nonsense

**The Bishop** · 12-10-2011, 03:40 PM

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**dec11** · 12-10-2011, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by The Bishop

Im not talking about advice, I said "BS" that you spew at people. meaning insulting people ect.. I guess its hard to communicate with people from different cultures. Anyways, I just found several posts of you where you are calling people "lairs' without cause thats only subjective(if you know what that means). However, I don't know how to put each quote in this thread as they only stay in the thread their on.

For a 4th time however, I digress, do you know what that means? Or do you have to have the last word like a female? Will wait to see I suppose...

no not at all, you have the last word. im happy knowing you have 'broscienced' yet another member after your vast one cycle experience lol

**dec11** · 12-10-2011, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by Coozan

Thanks Dec11. At least someone know whats up

no prob. are you referring to natty gains or enhanced gains? what age are you?

**dec11** · 12-10-2011, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

yes. Not sure you need 8 weeks for PCT? thought it was closer to 4 weeks, (so definately do your homework in the pct section), but I agree in theory with the formula

time off = time on + pct

yep, id run 5wks max on pct, thats at lower doses of nolva and clomid as compared to the conventional 4wks

**The Bishop** · 12-10-2011, 03:54 PM

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**The Bishop** · 12-10-2011, 04:01 PM

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**dec11** · 12-10-2011, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by The Bishop

meant to quote above but doing it here since it seems so important to people..

And sometimes a quote is fake, perfect example is above, dec11 quoted me yet changed the words. and since I didint edit it theres the proof that quoting isnt always real. OBVIOUSLY! Post #25, 26 havent been edited as of now so theres the proof. So yes, Dec11 does BS...

Nice changing my posts with fake quotes for your own gain Dec11

Case Closed and takes a bow..

you're pathetic Bishop, just admit the fact that you haven't enough education or experience to be trying to advise ppl. you dont even understand basic English for god sake.

and what words did i change? i went back and highlighted the post to make it easier for you.

srsly, strange individual.

**The Bishop** · 12-10-2011, 04:19 PM

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**dec11** · 12-10-2011, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by The Bishop

Admit? You can read correct? Didn't you see where I DIGRESSED, 4 times? I mean wtf dude, get off my nuts seriously..

You just prooved everything I have said THEN reinforced it with the above post..

stalker dot come for real!

you mad?

**Epic01** · 12-10-2011, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by dec11

you mad?

Lol, funny shit

**SufferToReturnHarder** · 12-10-2011, 04:27 PM

Dec, I feel for you brother. This guy is a clown.

**Sgt. Hartman** · 12-10-2011, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by The Bishop

attn: Sgt hartman(forgot to quote)

USA, I speak english and no, those words are not "well known" here nor taught in school for that matter..

Maybe on the other side of the ocean its common but not here... Here we just say man, like "hey man" rarely fellow and if you called someone a "boy" here you would get knocked out by either the individual that you called "boy" or the group of men who was with the person you called "boy".. Here you just don't call someone a boy lol

Just dawned on me that ive heard the guy who was on american ideal say "rubbish" once lol. He was a judge named Simon. thats the only time ive actually heard someone say it..

You said you didn't know what those words meant, which made you look ignorant, so I was trying to help out so you could defend yourself properly.

Why have you gone back and deleted most of your posts, not just in this thread? Seems kind of shady, just sayin.

**gearbox** · 12-10-2011, 06:10 PM

lol..Dec11-thanks for correcting some bs on here and continuing to give your experience to us less experienced and ignorant...

**DIESELPWR** · 12-10-2011, 08:27 PM

Ok so chap isn't so common, but everyone should have an understanding of what the word means.. And rubbish Is a very common word.. And seems kind of immature if you or anyone your hanging out with would knock some1 out for calling someone a boy.. I'm not taking sides.. Just an observation

**Coozan** · 12-10-2011, 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by dec11

no prob. are you referring to natty gains or enhanced gains? what age are you?

I'm 29. I'm talking the big gains you get. Kind of when you first start training you make huge gains for the first couple years. How many cycles can one do before the big gains start to slow down> (if that makes any sense lol)

Originally Posted by dec11

yep, id run 5wks max on pct, thats at lower doses of nolva and clomid as compared to the conventional 4wks

So your saying from last pin take your 2 weeks. Then do your 5wks. Then can I re cycle or should I wait another 8wks for a total sum of 12wks on 12wks off?