Junior Member
When do the gains slow down? I'm 6' and 190 at 10% fat. Even if you average 7 lbs a cycle there's no way in 10 cycles I would be walking around looking like The Rock. I know some is genetics and some is Muscle maturity. But on your average guy how many cycles can you do and make the huge gains?
Anabolic Member
Mate, I think you are looking at this all wrong. Most of us are in pretty damn good shape BEFORE taking AAS. Which means we've got the natty gains that have been slowly developing for a few years. If you do not have a natty foundation, most of your gains will vanish after your cycle.
Here's how I look at it...
The easier and faster it comes on, the easier and faster it comes off. If you want something semi permenant, then you must do the hard work, and put in the years.
So to answer your question, I would say that the hard gains should already be in place before cycling, and therefore, no good answer to your question.
Junior Member
I have been lifting for 4 years 5 days a week. But could believe when i put on more lean weight in 3 months then I had in 3 years ;0 But thanks for your imput
Anabolic Member
another way of looking at this....
time off = time on + pct
if a 12 week cycle, then 2 cycles a year is pushing it.
everything takes time....
Junior Member
Thanks
So on a 12 week cycle should you take 12 weeks off even tho PCT is 8? :s
Anabolic Member
yes. Not sure you need 8 weeks for PCT? thought it was closer to 4 weeks, (so definately do your homework in the pct section), but I agree in theory with the formula
time off = time on + pct
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Anabolic Member
not called for mate. OP was asking an honest question, and was doing so in a mature and respectful manner.Originally Posted by The Bishop
I believe he deserves the courtesey for me to respond in kind.
my .02
Associate Member
hmm. This statement is out of place. Op, as times said, gains take time, don't over do it.5 days a week for 4 years?!?!
You could be overtraining which would limit your gains, or you could just be a.
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time on + pct time = time offThanks
So on a 12 week cycle should you take 12 weeks off even tho PCT is 8? :s
So if you do a 10 week cycle. Wait 2 weeks to start your pct. Then do 4 weeks pct. Thats a total of 16 weeks. So 16 weeks after you finish you pct is start time.
If people can't tell your on steroids then your doing them wrong
Junior Member
Please enlighten me how 5 days a week is over training. Cause I'm more then interested.5 days a week for 4 years?!?!
You could be overtraining which would limit your gains, or you could just be a
Mon Chest
Tues back
Wed Legs/abbs/ obliques
Thurs Shoulders Cardio
Fri Bi's and tri's
Weekend off
If you find there's over training here please fill me in. I'm a mechanic so I don't exactly work hard. I sleep 8-9 hours a night, and take nutrition very serious. I joined this forum to gather information to better endure myself. I don't need to be called names
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Last edited by The Bishop; 12-10-2011 at 08:38 PM.
'everything louder than everything else'
total and utter garbagePost picture,diet, more detailed workout routine and more can be explained. Also, at 5 days a week training 8-9 hours of sleep is not enough.
10 hours minimum for full recovery cycle on average.
I may have hap-hazardly called you that because Ive never seen anyone train for 5 days a week for 4 years, ever, even pros. So lets see a few pics
Also, that statement also applied to your weight gain comments because at 5 days a week for 4 years, you should look like the rock if your diet is tip top..
Associate Member
I like how you catch him before he edits out his comments.
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Associate Member
No. He's just catching you sayin foolish things.
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'everything louder than everything else'
no, BS needs corrected
yup....
Bishop, you obviously lack experience and do not know what you're talking about, try not to spread the 'broscience'
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Last edited by The Bishop; 12-10-2011 at 08:40 PM.
'everything louder than everything else'
correct, you obviously dont know much about training given what you've just been quoted on above. continue this if you like, it'll only end one way. you just jumped on and called the chap a liar, and then post rubbish 'advice'Lack of experience in working out? Uh, no... In taking Gear? Yes, just one cycle..
Broscience:
A sarcastic term implying that the time tested, muscle building wealth of knowledge developed and utilized by successful, experienced bodybuilders is inferior to the continually shifting hypotheses of articulate, textbook-savvy 155lb. chemists with little or no real world first-person experience to substantiate their conclusions. The term "Broscience" is oft repeated on bodybuilding and fitness oriented internet forums in an attempt to demonstrate online dominance as a substitution for success in the arena of actual bodybuilding.
Now, since I did admit that I hap-hazardly used the term why are you brow-beating me stalker?
Sheesh..
i like the way you run back and edit everything you've posted (kind of pointless as its been quote replied to), kind of tells us all something, doesnt it?
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'everything louder than everything else'
feel quite free to pull any wrong advice ive given from my post history. then we'll have a look at yours, shall we? and sorry, if you dont know what 'rubbish' means, im sure you can use an online dictionary.
Junior Member
Thanks Dec11. At least someone know whats up
VET
I don't know where you're from but "chap" and "rubbish" are both well known words to all who speak the english language.
chap - A man or boy; a fellow.
rubbish - worthless, useless, or unwanted matter; discarded or waste matter; refuse; foolish words or speech, nonsense
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'everything louder than everything else'
no not at all, you have the last word. im happy knowing you have 'broscienced' yet another member after your vast one cycle experience lol
Last edited by dec11; 12-10-2011 at 03:17 PM.
'everything louder than everything else'
no prob. are you referring to natty gains or enhanced gains? what age are you?
'everything louder than everything else'
yep, id run 5wks max on pct, thats at lower doses of nolva and clomid as compared to the conventional 4wks
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'everything louder than everything else'
you're pathetic Bishop, just admit the fact that you haven't enough education or experience to be trying to advise ppl. you dont even understand basic English for god sake.meant to quote above but doing it here since it seems so important to people..
And sometimes a quote is fake, perfect example is above, dec11 quoted me yet changed the words. and since I didint edit it theres the proof that quoting isnt always real. OBVIOUSLY! Post #25, 26 havent been edited as of now so theres the proof. So yes, Dec11 does BS...
Nice changing my posts with fake quotes for your own gain Dec11
Case Closed and takes a bow..
and what words did i change? i went back and highlighted the post to make it easier for you.
srsly, strange individual.
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Last edited by The Bishop; 12-10-2011 at 08:41 PM.
'everything louder than everything else'
you mad?
Junior Member
Lol, funny shit
Associate Member
Dec, I feel for you brother. This guy is a clown.
VET
You said you didn't know what those words meant, which made you look ignorant, so I was trying to help out so you could defend yourself properly.
Why have you gone back and deleted most of your posts, not just in this thread? Seems kind of shady, just sayin.
Knowledgeable Member
lol..Dec11-thanks for correcting some bs on here and continuing to give your experience to us less experienced and ignorant...
Member
Ok so chap isn't so common, but everyone should have an understanding of what the word means.. And rubbish Is a very common word.. And seems kind of immature if you or anyone your hanging out with would knock some1 out for calling someone a boy.. I'm not taking sides.. Just an observation
Junior Member
I'm 29. I'm talking the big gains you get. Kind of when you first start training you make huge gains for the first couple years. How many cycles can one do before the big gains start to slow down> (if that makes any sense lol)
So your saying from last pin take your 2 weeks. Then do your 5wks. Then can I re cycle or should I wait another 8wks for a total sum of 12wks on 12wks off?
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Second that
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