New to this site,some advise on my first cycle please.

[DeadlyD]

Hey guys/gals, I'm 29 230, 6'2" not sure exactly my BF % I have 10 wieght training experience, and Have been bodybuilding seriously for last 2 years naturally, I feel I have reached a natural peak in my size and strength( I could still lose a bit more fat) but I am considering my first cycle, oh I did do an anavar only cycle for 8 weeks at 50mgs a day 2 years ago, ( not enough!) I noticed some strength gains, but I don't count that as a cycle. I was thinking of a 10 week cycle of test E with deca in the first 4-5 weeks or until I run out of deca, I also have access to half a vial of test prop maybe to be used as a kicker for the first week or two while I wait for the enth to kick in? I could really use any suggestions from the more experienced !! Thanks

[gixxerboy1]

do you have a range you think your bf is in?
deca for 4 weeks is a waste in takes that long for it to start to kick in. I would save it for another time
test e only would be thay to go

[Juicing Post Whore]

Hey guys/gals, I'm 29 230, 6'2" not sure exactly my BF % I have 10 wieght training experience, and Have been bodybuilding seriously for last 2 years naturally, I feel I have reached a natural peak in my size and strength( I could still lose a bit more fat) but I am considering my first cycle, oh I did do an anavar only cycle for 8 weeks at 50mgs a day 2 years ago, ( not enough!) I noticed some strength gains, but I don't count that as a cycle. I was thinking of a 10 week cycle of test E with deca in the first 4-5 weeks or until I run out of deca, I also have access to half a vial of test prop maybe to be used as a kicker for the first week or two while I wait for the enth to kick in? I could really use any suggestions from the more experienced !! Thanks

Hello and WELCOME to the forum


I would think it's really important to know that BF% # so that we can really get into what cycle options would potentially work. What are your realistic goals you have set?

[gearbox]

welcome to the forum..a pics can help with the bf%...and only two years training and you feel you reached your natural peak> how did you come to this conclusion

[DeadlyD]

I do have some body fat to lose,I will look into the % and get back, my main goals are to put on 10-20lbs lean muscle aswell as cut down BF , mainly size!!! I'd like to be 235-245lbs lean, I was at 217lbs 3 years ago lean but I felt I was to thin and not strong so I have been bulking and training hard, I would like to be way bigger tho!!!

[Blade15]

I have 10 wieght training experience ???

[gearbox]

to see gains from deca you need to run at leat 10 wks imo...run a test only cycle then pct, then your next to test and deca for 12.. fyi never start a cycle without ai on hand and pct..

[The Bear 79]

I have 10 wieght training experience ???

"Years" I assume?

[Juicing Post Whore]

I have 10 wieght training experience ???

I think he made a typo, it was his first post after all but I had assumed he meant 10 years.

[gearbox]

I have 10 wieght training experience ???

i saw that too and was confused..maybe he meant 10 yrs training, but only lifted hard for two idk...

[DeadlyD]

I have been training for over 10 years!! Just extra hard for the last 2! I just feel like I could be getting alot more for my hard work with a good cycle!

[The Bear 79]

I have been training for over 10 years!! Just extra hard for the last 2! I just feel like I could be getting alot more for my hard work with a good cycle!

Where did u come up with the "19% BF" in ur profile? Wut does ur diet look like?

[DeadlyD]

Ya I have arimadex on hand in 1 mg tabs and nolvadex for pct,should the arimadex be taken throughout the whole cycle ?

[DeadlyD]

19% was the last I checked, that was a while ago but it's around the same, my diet is good 6-7 meals a day 300+ gms protien Ed, I know I will need to eat a lot more on cycle !

[Blade15]

I have been training for over 10 years!! Just extra hard for the last 2! I just feel like I could be getting alot more for my hard work with a good cycle!

I thought for a sec that it must be 10 years.. anyway.. got it mow..

[DeadlyD]

BF is around 19-20% So just the test e ? What do think about the week or two of the prop?

[gearbox]

Ya I have arimadex on hand in 1 mg tabs and nolvadex for pct,should the arimadex be taken throughout the whole cycle ?

i would get the bf% down before you cycle..and it matters what cycle you are going to do, for us to advice an ai for you! test only I would just have on hand..you have no clue if your prone to gyno yet..but you can do 10mg ed on a cycle and see how you feel. (some ppl like to be way safe with that, but having zero estro will limit your gains)

[The Bear 79]

19% was the last I checked, that was a while ago but it's around the same, my diet is good 6-7 meals a day 300+ gms protien Ed, I know I will need to eat a lot more on cycle !

Not necessarily, mind if we hav a look @ ur diet & possibly mak some adjustments that may help with ur gains?

[gearbox]

BF is around 19-20% So just the test e ? What do think about the week or two of the prop?

do a 10 wk cycle for test e, or even prop...doesnt matter, but injection frequency will be different for this two

[DeadlyD]

My BF was 19% the last I checked could be up a little more now not by much tho!

[The Bear 79]

BF is around 19-20% So just the test e ? What do think about the week or two of the prop?

If u cycle @ 19 - 20% BF, there will b greater risk of heart attack due 2 hi BP. And the likelihood & severity of gyno will b greater also.

[Juicing Post Whore]

19% is a little high

[gearbox]

If u cycle @ 19 - 20% BF, there will b greater risk of heart attack due 2 hi BP. And the likelihood & severity of gyno will b greater also.

great post for the newbies, and I hope he listens to you!

[DeadlyD]

I train in the mornings before work so, 4:30 am I have a whey shake, hit the gym till 6:30am then have another whey shake, and 2 cups of wholeoat granola, with berries, banana and yogurt. Start work at 7:30 and at 10am I have two rice cake sandwhiches with almond butter, and carrot sticks and an orange, the at 12:30 I'll have the leftovers from dinner which is usually chicken breasts with rice and veggies, or lean roast beef, or salmon, then at 3:45 I'll eat more carrots fruit and anothe whey shake, then off at 6 and dinner at 6:3o usually same things as I had for lunch, meat veggies potatoes, rice

[DeadlyD]

My cardio is good and my BP is normal

[The Bear 79]

My cardio is good and my BP is normal

Ur BP is normal now, but AAS raises ur BP, & if ur already a bit overweight, the risk is greater.

[The Bear 79]

I train in the mornings before work so, 4:30 am I have a whey shake, hit the gym till 6:30am then have another whey shake, and 2 cups of wholeoat granola, with berries, banana and yogurt. Start work at 7:30 and at 10am I have two rice cake sandwhiches with almond butter, and carrot sticks and an orange, the at 12:30 I'll have the leftovers from dinner which is usually chicken breasts with rice and veggies, or lean roast beef, or salmon, then at 3:45 I'll eat more carrots fruit and anothe whey shake, then off at 6 and dinner at 6:3o usually same things as I had for lunch, meat veggies potatoes, rice

Ur relying too much on those shakes, real food is best, shakes r not meals. I c 2 meals here, & the rest r just snaks with very little if any nutritional value conducive 2 building lean mass. Do u know the breakdown of this intake? (cals, proteins, carbs, fats)

[The Bear 79]

Would u like some help with ur diet?

[DeadlyD]

That would also be helpfull to get advise on some meal and diet ideas for me, I will definatly work on getting my BF down, what is a realistic % for me? For my goals, I'm not looking to be ripped!! Just bigger and stronger

[gixxerboy1]

Bear is correct. Getting you diet lined up now will get you better results when you do cycle.
Also higher bf% puts you at higher risk for estrogen related sides.
Moobs arent fun

[DeadlyD]

Yes that would be much appreciated!! Thanks

[DeadlyD]

What is a respectable BF% for me and my goals?

[gixxerboy1]

What is a respectable BF% for me and my goals?

try and get around 15% to cycle. As far as your goals i'm not sure what you want be. I see you said 235-245 lean. Is lean a 6 pack for you? A good 4 pack?
Everyones perception is different so i cant say what a good bf% for your goal is

[DeadlyD]

15% is a big loss for me I will make it my goal, I used to be 296lbs and very out of shape 3-4 years ago I have really stepped up my diet and training to get where I'm at!! I have a lot of extra skin due to my big drop in wieght, so a 6or 4 pack will never happen for me ! Sucks but what can I do besides surgery? I really want to put alot of size on my upper body, back, chest, arms! I am in the best shape of my life and Healthy! Is there any safer cycles to help drop my BF%, like I said I seem to have plateaued in fat loss!

[DeadlyD]

Would u like some help with ur diet?

What kinda diet advise did you have for me? I am starting a new training routine this month and I'd love to have a better diet !!

[The Bear 79]

What kinda diet advise did you have for me? I am starting a new training routine this month and I'd love to have a better diet !!

Well I already layed out a few pointers 4 ya in post #27, but if u really want some good diet advice, head over 2 the nutrition section,(u can find it on the forums home page if u scroll bout 2/3 - 3/4 down) post ur current diet & goals & they will hook u rite up bro.

[DeadlyD]

Well I already layed out a few pointers 4 ya in post #27, but if u really want some good diet advice, head over 2 the nutrition section,(u can find it on the forums home page if u scroll bout 2/3 - 3/4 down) post ur current diet & goals & they will hook u rite up bro.

Thanks for your help!