Lethargy on Test only cycle

[MDub702]

Hey guys, I'm a new member, but I have used this site for quite some time for research and info. I'm in week 9 of my test cyp cycle running 500mg split into two pins a week. The plan is to run it for 12 weeks and begin PCT, but since week 7 I have been feeling lethargic as hell. The only estro sides I've had are lethargy, a slight amount of acne, water retention at end of day,and sensitivity in nipples(no gyno lumps). I picked up arimidex and started it a few days ago at about .5mgs E3D. I noticed a slight difference the next day after using it, but felt lethargic again by day 3. I don't know if I should bump it up or just call the cycle and try something different next cycle. As far as gains, I started at 188 at 9% bf, and am now at 215 at 7%. The gains have been great and my diet is on point at 4-5k cals a day. I just need to know if I should keep going and maybe throw some proviron on the last few weeks to free up some of my Test, or what would be recommended at this point. Any help is appreciated.

P.S. I'm also pinning 1000mcg b-12 once a week to try and get my energy up, not much of an effect from it either.

[xelnaga]

Adex will not rid your system of estrogen already produced. It may take a few more days for the estrogen in your system to metabolize.

[MDub702]

Thanks bro, that's what I thought. My fear is depleting all of it dropping too low with it. I'm going to run it into the Ned of cycle and hope it works. I'll know better next cycle to keep the system a little more clear of E2.

[xelnaga]

The only other possibility would be over training.

[The Situation]

Hey guys, I'm a new member, but I have used this site for quite some time for research and info. I'm in week 9 of my test cyp cycle running 500mg split into two pins a week. The plan is to run it for 12 weeks and begin PCT, but since week 7 I have been feeling lethargic as hell. The only estro sides I've had are lethargy, a slight amount of acne, water retention at end of day,and sensitivity in nipples(no gyno lumps). I picked up arimidex and started it a few days ago at about .5mgs E3D. I noticed a slight difference the next day after using it, but felt lethargic again by day 3. I don't know if I should bump it up or just call the cycle and try something different next cycle. As far as gains, I started at 188 at 9% bf, and am now at 215 at 7%. The gains have been great and my diet is on point at 4-5k cals a day. I just need to know if I should keep going and maybe throw some proviron on the last few weeks to free up some of my Test, or what would be recommended at this point. Any help is appreciated.

P.S. I'm also pinning 1000mcg b-12 once a week to try and get my energy up, not much of an effect from it either.

You've gained 27 pounds and lost 2% body fat in 9 weeks?....

[Ashop]

The only other possibility would be over training.

That is very possible...lethargy is a warning sign of overtraining.

[Xtrakt0r]

IMO more rest is needed.. I'm currently on 1000mg Test E/Wk only, split into 2 500mg shots Mon/Thurs. Not taking anything else.. I was into week 6 and started feeling lethargic after training 5 days a week.. Now reduced to 4 days and feel much more revived and strong when I hit the gym.. Gained a bit more size and energy levels have raised too..

Oh and I'm also pinning 1000mcg of B12 per week too..

[jimmyinkedup]

When you take test the entire testosterone "pathway" if u will gets shut down. This effects some more than others. The precursor homones to test provide both pyhsical and neurological effects. Next time u do this type of cycle, since u are obviously effected, id suggest u take dhea or better yet use a dhea / pregenolone cream( like rs transdermal). It might be just the thing you need. Most short term dont require this - but guys on trt heavily rely on it. If u want you could pick up some oral dhea and start taking 150mgs/day right away and see what happens. Then u will know for next time. 2 things - keep using an ai , and if it helps and u use it next time, try to get a transdermal like i mentioned. Oral dhea has horrible avail-thats why u need 150mgs/day. It is however, cheap as hell.

[jimmyinkedup]

oh and hcg in the mix wouldnt hurt either. I have to say you guys should visit the trt forum..im learning boatloads over there. u have to figure with the longer cycles (or any cycle for that matter) people run, alot of it really translates over

[MDub702]

Give or take yes, the fact that I'm using a long ester means that a % of that is definitely water weight.

[MDub702]

Thanks Jimmy, and yeah I run hcg 500iu split into two doses each week the day before my test shot. I'm still feeling lethargic so I'll cut back the training to 3-4 days instead of 5. I have heard that the Dhea helps great with this so I'll pick some up today. With the AI I'm just worried of dropping too low and not being able to tell the difference

[gixxerboy1]

You've gained 27 pounds and lost 2% body fat in 9 weeks?....

yea i caught that too

[gearbox]

that is a much needed before after pics...

[magic32]

Chemically speaking, Test shouldn't zap energy.
On the non-chem side check carbs, overtraining, and rest.
The former is often the culprit in cutting diets, but can play a role in bulking too if you're overeating (especially prior to training).

[MDub702]

I'll post pics later and I've also heard that 2-3 lbs a week on first cycle is normal.

[wantaesthetics]

You've gained 27 pounds and lost 2% body fat in 9 weeks?....

hhhaha i was lookin at that in total disbelief too!! gj op but I personally don't believe u.

ANyway yea adex will prevent future aromatization idk if 10mg nolva would help? it might I think maybe get on it for a few days?

[MDub702]

Just an update on this post. I added DHEA 100mg at night and in the morning, no change at all. Actually feel worse to be honest. I took my last shot on Sunday(5 days ago). I definitely won't run this cycle again. Gains were great, strength and weight, but this energy level has killed the pleasure of it. I'll keep my future cycles to about 8 weeks and probably won't run a long ester again. My joints started aching after taking the adex and I got a horrible breakout on my chest and shoulders, so I don't know what went on there, I thought the breakouts came from too high estro, not low. I'll start my PCT of nolvadex 40/40/20/20 in a week and throw a ZMA into the mix. When should my levels balance out and get this lethargy rid of? I know the PCT period is going to add to the lethargy, but I ran hcg throughout the cycle so hopefully that helps with the recovery. Any input is nice.

[xelnaga]

How confident are you that the product was actually test cyp?

[MDub702]

Pretty confident, I get it from a pro out here and know plenty of guys who use the stuff he has and say its great. ive found the same bottles on other forums that are identical too. I felt great first 7 weeks then dropped out. I'm thinking that my estro or something hormonal got thrown out of whack at that point because that is where levels peak because of the half life. I'll run prop next because there is no build up which will be easier to monitor.

[xelnaga]

Did I read correctly that acne started after you began the adex?

[MDub702]

Did I read correctly that acne started after you began the adex?

Yeah, didn't have any serious breakouts until a few days after starting the adex. I got those deep painful bumps popping up all around my chest and shoulders and some on my back.

[jimmyinkedup]

Sorry the dhea didnt help.
adex started to help - then stopped and u broke out bad...
this will prob be tough to pinpoint without bllodwork...
In the abscence if diet training or rest being off and given the symptoms it seems hormone related - but without BW hard to say exactly what.

[MDub702]

Sorry the dhea didnt help.
adex started to help - then stopped and u broke out bad...
this will prob be tough to pinpoint without bllodwork...
In the abscence if diet training or rest being off and given the symptoms it seems hormone related - but without BW hard to say exactly what.

It's all good, I'm a biology major and the endocrine system is extremely complex in more aspects then one. The DHEA was a good suggestion. The fatigue could branch back to my body not being used to all the additional weight. I've got labs ordered for post PCT, at this point at the end of my cycle my labs won't give me the solid info I should have got when the fatigue first started. This is my first cycle and I'm using it as a learning block for the future. If this is E2 related I will make sure that I maintain those levels rather then try to combat them and stabilize them after they've gone out of whack. I'll also try different AAS next time around. I'm sure many have ran into issues on cycles, my goal is to try and prevent it from happening again.

[dec11]

Pretty confident, I get it from a pro out here and know plenty of guys who use the stuff he has and say its great. ive found the same bottles on other forums that are identical too. I felt great first 7 weeks then dropped out. I'm thinking that my estro or something hormonal got thrown out of whack at that point because that is where levels peak because of the half life. I'll run prop next because there is no build up which will be easier to monitor.

that doesnt mean it cant be bunk, mislabelled underdosed or containing nothing, you sound like you've crashed imo.

27lb gain and 2% bf lost doesnt not compute at all