Second Cycle

**J. Cole** · 12-17-2011, 03:23 PM

Hey guys,

Haven't been around the site for a while, I have been busy and just training like an animal. Im starting to look into a second cycle and I wanted opinions on whether I should do test cyp - deca or test cyp - tren e. My first cycle was 12 weeks of Test Cyp 500mg and got average results, nothing spectacular. Im 26 and weigh about 205 now.

I am not too familiar with tren or deca doses, but I was thinking something like this. 12 weeks test cyp at 500mg and deca(or tren) weeks 2-10 (8 weeks) at 200 mg per week

Opinions appreciated.

Thanks
-J

**ijbickerdike** · 12-17-2011, 03:28 PM

Id leave Tren well alone on a second cycle, i did 400 deca but really high test on a second cycle, killed sex drive though and Tren makes sex drive even worse.

**songdog** · 12-17-2011, 03:57 PM

Yes I would leave the tren alone.But you dont need to run high test when you run a 19nor thats a myth.Try adding Dbol or even deca would be good.Your diet is everything bro good luck.

**Times Roman** · 12-18-2011, 09:11 AM

JC,
keep your test dose higher than your deca dose if you feel the need to take deca. cycle time should be the same as the test assuming the same esthers. agree with everyone else on the tren .... best to avoid for now.

first, as a second cycle, I'd still recomend a test only cycle of 500mg cyp/week for 12 weeks.

how is your diet? got that dialed in?
routines looking good? running a 4 day split or a 5 week program?

Good luck!
---Roman

**Knockout_Power** · 12-18-2011, 12:42 PM

what are you trying to do with this cycle?

**gearbox** · 12-18-2011, 12:58 PM

Fyi. If its u in the pics. Cover your face bro. Need to protect yourself

**Knockout_Power** · 12-18-2011, 01:03 PM

^^^ depends where he lives... cant get in trouble for anabolics use in some countries.

Like us, we can use, but its illegal to traffic.

**J. Cole** · 12-19-2011, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by Times Roman

JC,
keep your test dose higher than your deca dose if you feel the need to take deca. cycle time should be the same as the test assuming the same esthers. agree with everyone else on the tren .... best to avoid for now.

first, as a second cycle, I'd still recomend a test only cycle of 500mg cyp/week for 12 weeks.

how is your diet? got that dialed in?
routines looking good? running a 4 day split or a 5 week program?

Good luck!
---Roman

I would go again with just test cyp for 12 weeks but I was kind of let down by the results of a test only cycle. I put on under 10 pounds and didnt get the pumps, drive, or anything else I expected from it. I was especially let down because i went even more strict on my diet and training routine than I normally am, which is in my opinion fairly strict to begin with. so this time I want to take the next step. Am always working on improving the diet and routine, but it is dialed in and I am remaining disciplined even off cycle. With that being said, I was planning this cycle for the summer:

Test Cyp: Weeks 1-12 @ 500 mg/week
Deca: Weeks 3-10 @ 200 mg/week

I am under the impression that deca should be started after two weeks of just test and ended two weeks before your test is this correct?

to answer knockouts question, my goal is to remain as lean as I am like 12-15% bf (more diet than anything) and to throw on about 10 pounds when all is said and done.

still have a long time before intend to start this, so there is plenty of time to make changes and I appreciate all the help guys thanks

-J

**ijbickerdike** · 12-19-2011, 04:50 PM

Start and end them together, start pct 2 weeks after last shots.

**Knockout_Power** · 12-19-2011, 07:43 PM

I would start them together, but end the deca 2 weeks before test to avoid any limpus noodlus. Thats a very mild dose though, I see most guys run that amount for joint relief. I would bump it to 400/wk

If I could propose something a little different that I think you would really enjoy

wk 1-12 Test C 600/wk
wk 1-10 NPP 500/wk

I tell you this, NPP is a great tool for doing what you mention. None of the bloat of running deca (yes I know you can curb it with diet and other drugs, but why bother), its fairly fast acting where as deca can take around 5 weeks for real gains. Downside is EOD injects

**J. Cole** · 12-20-2011, 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by Knockout_Power

I would start them together, but end the deca 2 weeks before test to avoid any limpus noodlus. Thats a very mild dose though, I see most guys run that amount for joint relief. I would bump it to 400/wk

If I could propose something a little different that I think you would really enjoy

wk 1-12 Test C 600/wk
wk 1-10 NPP 500/wk

I tell you this, NPP is a great tool for doing what you mention. None of the bloat of running deca (yes I know you can curb it with diet and other drugs, but why bother), its fairly fast acting where as deca can take around 5 weeks for real gains. Downside is EOD injects

Thanks knockout, I have heard great things about NPP but am just not willing to pin every day or every other day. that is why I stay away from the short ester stuff even though I hear great things. with the deca you guys think it is best to bump it up to 400mg? I was thinking 200 was a bit mild. do you think I would get any results with a mild 200mg/ week dose?

**gearbox** · 12-20-2011, 01:06 AM

Originally Posted by J. Cole

Thanks knockout, I have heard great things about NPP but am just not willing to pin every day or every other day. that is why I stay away from the short ester stuff even though I hear great things. with the deca you guys think it is best to bump it up to 400mg? I was thinking 200 was a bit mild. do you think I would get any results with a mild 200mg/ week dose?

I would go 400 deca and 500 test...