1st Tren cycle. Any advice from you experienced Tren guys?

[cbolton]

Hello folks! I'm a new member on here but not new to AS. I'm preparing my first go with Tren & Test E and have noticed many of you placing strong emphasis on avoiding Tren unless an advances trainer. Was curious as to why, whether due to nasty sides or other? I'm not ready just yet anyway as I'm in week 4 of major diet management and training to get my BF lower and on track to gain full potential. Also have Test Cyp just waiting to be used as well if y'all recommend another approach or if I should maybe run just Test E or C first and let the Tren wait for another day. Past cycles have included D-bol, Win, Eq and Test over the years and never had any problems or major uncontrollable sides but like I said, I have no previous experience with Tren.

I appreciate your time for reading and responding to this and any advice is greatly appreciated.

[Ashop]

TREN is one of the most potent AAS ever created. Some of the sides I have seen most are insomnia,anxiety,and sweating like crazy,,typically at night sleeping.
If your not an experienced AAS user I would play around with some milder compounds before I jumped into TREN.

[gearbox]

If your diet is in check why not run another dbol or abombs

[Chris J]

I agree w/ ****. Save the tren and enjoy the Test.

[gymfu]

Yep save tren for later. What are your goals?

[songdog]

Why start off with the strongest when you can do fine with the others.A lot of guys cant handle tren nothing to play with.

[cbolton]

Goals are mainly get my strength back and lean mass/burn fat. I'm fighting some serious patience issues. I probably need to just curb Tren like y'all say and stay on top of my diet. I had an ACL surgery 2-yrs ago and let myself go to shit afterwards. Been hitting it hard the past 7-months but my Pre-Surgery pics are taunting me. I had put in 5-yrs hard work and was lean and mean.

Thanks so much for all the good advice. Always open to knowledge.

[dec11]

Hello folks! I'm a new member on here but not new to AS. I'm preparing my first go with Tren & Test E and have noticed many of you placing strong emphasis on avoiding Tren unless an advances trainer. Was curious as to why, whether due to nasty sides or other? I'm not ready just yet anyway as I'm in week 4 of major diet management and training to get my BF lower and on track to gain full potential. Also have Test Cyp just waiting to be used as well if y'all recommend another approach or if I should maybe run just Test E or C first and let the Tren wait for another day. Past cycles have included D-bol, Win, Eq and Test over the years and never had any problems or major uncontrollable sides but like I said, I have no previous experience with Tren.

I appreciate your time for reading and responding to this and any advice is greatly appreciated.

if you've afew cycles below your belt i dont see a prob with running tren, its not the big bad animal its made out to be imo. one thing i will say is dont run it past 7-8wks, liver values will rise significantly

[gearbox]

if you've afew cycles below your belt i dont see a prob with running tren, its not the big bad animal its made out to be imo. one thing i will say is dont run it past 7-8wks, liver values will rise significantly

good to know..thanks dec

[cbolton]

if you've afew cycles below your belt i dont see a prob with running tren, its not the big bad animal its made out to be imo. one thing i will say is dont run it past 7-8wks, liver values will rise significantly

Good to know dec11, thanks! Mine is Ace because it was my understanding it's shorter acting than Enanthate? With that said, do you see need in supplementing a liver guard like Liv .52 or thistle? I know a lot of guys only see it necessary with orals.

[JohnnyVegas]

Everyone reacts differently, but you will need to figure out how to continue to get through life and heavy workouts with less sleep. That seems to be one universal side. Whether you wake up from insomnia, or the night sweats, you will have less sleep.

[gearbox]

Everyone reacts differently, but you will need to figure out how to continue to get through life and heavy workouts with less sleep. That seems to be one universal side. Whether you wake up from insomnia, or the night sweats, you will have less sleep.

I will not run tren for this reason. If u can handle one or both of those sides you will love it. (According to my bros from my gym)

[dec11]

Good to know dec11, thanks! Mine is Ace because it was my understanding it's shorter acting than Enanthate? With that said, do you see need in supplementing a liver guard like Liv .52 or thistle? I know a lot of guys only see it necessary with orals.

ace is faster acting yes. there isnt any proof on these liver cleansers, so for tht reason, i dont know if they work or not

[dec11]

Everyone reacts differently, but you will need to figure out how to continue to get through life and heavy workouts with less sleep. That seems to be one universal side. Whether you wake up from insomnia, or the night sweats, you will have less sleep.

sweats was the worst for me, temper alittle evevated from norm but its not the mind bending rage inducing compound its made out to be

[Knockout_Power]

TONS of water while on tren, and definitely run ace your first time around so if you find you dont like the sides, the tren A is out of your system in days instead of weeks

[ty357]

My 2nd cycle i ran tren e 400 a week for 8 weeks felt i could have ran it longer 100mgs ed abombs 4-5 weeks and 500 test e 12 weekis. I was nervouse as hell because all the stories i heard, but it was a peice of cake. Had some night sweats sides werent that bad at all. You will never know until you giveit a shot. Ill say go for it

[Far from massive]

Dec with all due respect, I am curious about both your statement that Trenbolone is significantly hepatotoxic as well as your statement that there is not any proof that liver aids like liv52 are beneficial.

Have you seen studies that show liver stress caused by Tren or is this based on first hand experience with bloodwork showing a rise in liver metabolites after using Tren for more than 7-8 wks? I do not ask this to be disrespectful, rather because I have significant liver damage due to HCV from blood transfusions after a motorcycle crash in the 80s so I always try to avoid any hepatotoxic compounds like orals etc.

As far as liv52, after studying various liver supplements I started using liv52 and have personally seen drops in my own liver values. Further although not all studies have shown benefit in all situations there have been many double blind studies on Liv52 showing that it can be beneficial in liver protection. Perhaps more importantly there have been no studies (that I am aware of at least) showing liver damage or other harmful side effects with liv52 which is a claim that not many FDA approved drugs can make.

FFM

[depfife]

This thread has been great for me! I have done cycles of test prop only.... tried to stack BDol and could not handle the sides. I have aquired some tren A to stack next time. That horror stories has me thinking of using just a small amount for awhile to see if i can handle it...maybe 25-35mg/day...

[dec11]

Dec with all due respect, I am curious about both your statement that Trenbolone is significantly hepatotoxic as well as your statement that there is not any proof that liver aids like liv52 are beneficial.

Have you seen studies that show liver stress caused by Tren or is this based on first hand experience with bloodwork showing a rise in liver metabolites after using Tren for more than 7-8 wks? I do not ask this to be disrespectful, rather because I have significant liver damage due to HCV from blood transfusions after a motorcycle crash in the 80s so I always try to avoid any hepatotoxic compounds like orals etc.

As far as liv52, after studying various liver supplements I started using liv52 and have personally seen drops in my own liver values. Further although not all studies have shown benefit in all situations there have been many double blind studies on Liv52 showing that it can be beneficial in liver protection. Perhaps more importantly there have been no studies (that I am aware of at least) showing liver damage or other harmful side effects with liv52 which is a claim that not many FDA approved drugs can make.

FFM

i had blood work done on a tren a cycle 3wks in, i was also on 250mg test e. i had bw done before while just on test and all was fine. however, the bw done on the tren a cycle showed liver values high enough for the doctor to want to see me about it.

those so called liver protectors arent scientifically proven. gixxer had bloods done while on 'em and they werent doing anything to normalise his levels, according to him.


if just 3wks on 350mg pw of tren a was enough to upset liver values idk what the hell 8wks would look like. put this way, i shall not be using it again...

[stpete]

I use 750-1000mgs of milk thistle daily w/no problems. That bw was taken about a year ago and going to have more work done in 3 months.

[Far from massive]

Dec11,

Thanks for the response (Even though its ruined my day LOL). This is definately food for thought and I will trying to get some blood work soon, and shifting into reverse if the Tren ( mine is also A) is affecting my liver the same way. By the way I have had the same experience with Test as you, it has never caused any significant rise in liver values even on some pretty hefty doses.

FFM

[dec11]

Dec11,

Thanks for the response (Even though its ruined my day LOL). This is definately food for thought and I will trying to get some blood work soon, and shifting into reverse if the Tren ( mine is also A) is affecting my liver the same way. By the way I have had the same experience with Test as you, it has never caused any significant rise in liver values even on some pretty hefty doses.

FFM

i forgot to note that i was re-tested approx 2mths after the tren run and everything had settled to normal again. prob a good idea to get bloods done on every cycle where a compound is added to test just to actually see any potential rises and which compounds cause it

[bigoz]

Tons of water approaching 2gal a day is beneficial along with some caber and adex to help with sides

Tren ace/peop for myself is a piece of cake, does increase my resting heart rate and the insomnia/lack of sleep are my only sides. No rage, sweats etc. Just rack a few cycles of test, test/dbol etc. Before tackling tren. You'll never want to go back to anything else!