Why is EQ getting such a bad rep these days

[d_nelly78]

I keep reading on here and other forums that many people don't care for EQ. I did a test prop and eq cycle a few years back with good results. Granted back then I was not nearly as educated on the subject of steroids and only did a eight week cycle. I just would like to hear some opinions on this. Thanks

[gixxerboy1]

because eq doesnt give much for results even at high doses. There are better options out there

[MR10X]

I have had good results with EQ also,i dont go over 8 to 10 weeks on my cycles.I have done some EQ by itself and it was ok but works better with test.Some people dont like it because they they dont bloat up like decca and feel they arent getting any good results.

[The Bear 79]

I keep reading on here and other forums that many people don't care for EQ. I did a test prop and eq cycle a few years back with good results. Granted back then I was not nearly as educated on the subject of steroids and only did a eight week cycle. I just would like to hear some opinions on this. Thanks

The results u got, as well as the results other people THINK they got from Eq., were from the Prop. / Test. Equipoise does nothing mor than giv u a bit longer wind / stamina, & it doesn't even do THAT well enuf 2 warrant spending money on it.

[sizzlechest]

Bad rap only on this board. Its all dpends on what you are trying to achieve.

http://www.steroid.com/Equipoise.php

600mg a week run with test. Try it out and see how it works, I think you will like it.

[markdbg]

this forum and ppl on here are very mild with the cycles they run, they run fewer compounds and smaller doses so they want something stonger that gives results without or less side effects.(from what i noticed)

if i was to only run a compound or two eq would not be in that stack as its quite weak. but in larger cycles absolutely, its positives come in other ways of hardness and makes u very vascular, increase appatite ect instead of building mass and strength

gonna run for my next cycle which is eq,tren,drol,test. not gonna post doses as i always get flamed and say im a bad influence on beginners reading this forum.

edit. and i agree with sizzle, it only has a bad rap on this board. my guess is because all the mod and oldschool members on this forum give it a bad rap. and other ppl follow without trying the drug. this forum is more about safety and how to run things safe and smart. like how they dont advise anyone under 25 to jump on gear. other forums give ppl 18+ of age the go ahead and help them with cycles.

[dec11]

I keep reading on here and other forums that many people don't care for EQ. I did a test prop and eq cycle a few years back with good results. Granted back then I was not nearly as educated on the subject of steroids and only did a eight week cycle. I just would like to hear some opinions on this. Thanks

how do you know it wasnt just the prop giving you results? the top guys on here say EQ is worthless

[dec11]

Bad rap only on this board. Its all dpends on what you are trying to achieve.

http://www.steroid.com/Equipoise.php

600mg a week run with test. Try it out and see how it works, I think you will like it.

yeah, cos this board doesnt have agendas........

[Knockout_Power]

Im not too sure what dosage it typically comes in, but even if it is 200-250/mL, thats almost 3 extra mL you need a week just to "benefit" from it. I can think of several other compounds I would take up that oil space with

[The Bear 79]

this forum and ppl on here are very mild with the cycles they run, they run fewer compounds and smaller doses so they want something stonger that gives results without or less side effects.(from what i noticed)

if i was to only run a compound or two eq would not be in that stack as its quite weak. but in larger cycles absolutely, its positives come in other ways of hardness and makes u very vascular, increase appatite ect instead of building mass and strength

gonna run for my next cycle which is eq,tren,drol,test. not gonna post doses as i always get flamed and say im a bad influence on beginners reading this forum.

edit. and i agree with sizzle, it only has a bad rap on this board. my guess is because all the mod and oldschool members on this forum give it a bad rap. and other ppl follow without trying the drug. this forum is more about safety and how to run things safe and smart. like how they dont advise anyone under 25 to jump on gear. other forums give ppl 18+ of age the go ahead and help them with cycles.

Every1 here that sez Eq. is garbage, has hands on experience with it & KNOWS, not thinks, its useless. Like I sed b4, those who say they get good muscle building results from it, r just getting gains from the Test. & accrediting it 2 the Eq. EQ. DOES NOT BUILD MUSCLE.

[Knockout_Power]

We need Marcus right about now =)

[gixxerboy1]

I've tried it at 800mg for 16 weeks. It was a waste of space in the needle.
Haz has run higher doses then me and thinks it sucks too

[The Bear 79]

We need Marcus right about now =)

Or Haz.

[jimmyinkedup]

this forum and ppl on here are very mild with the cycles they run, they run fewer compounds and smaller doses so they want something stonger that gives results without or less side effects.(from what i noticed)You would be hard pressed to find something with less side effects (besides BP maybe) than eq so i dont understanbd this staement at all

if i was to only run a compound or two eq would not be in that stack as its quite weak. but in larger cycles absolutely, its positives come in other ways of hardness and makes u very vascular, increase appatite ect instead of building mass and strength Right - so instead of increasing mass or strength..wait what do we take steroids for?

gonna run for my next cycle which is eq,tren,drol,test. not gonna post doses as i always get flamed and say im a bad influence on beginners reading this forum.

edit. and i agree with sizzle, it only has a bad rap on this board. my guess is because all the mod and oldschool members on this forum give it a bad rap. and other ppl follow without trying the drug. Funny because in most of my experience anywhere those that say its great either never ran it or only ran it in a stack they hadnt run before and have no idea what it truly does or doesnt do this forum is more about safety and how to run things safe and smart. like how they dont advise anyone under 25 to jump on gear. other forums give ppl 18+ of age the go ahead and help them with cycles.

See bold...
Eq is at best an ancillary - years ago when i got it DIRT cheap, and i mean DIRT cheap i ran it (although the huge amounts of oil i had to inject as it was 50mg/ml was a pain in the ass).....
Ive run it at different durations and dosages - it really is just an ancillary .... I didnt hate it - but saw it for what it was...and wasnt.
Nowadays i would never and dont waste my money ...
Its amazing what dangerously high blood pressure will do for vascularity- but so will low bf and carb manipulation. Hell i eat because i have discilpline i sure as hell dont need to inject 800mgs of something per week to eat. Also im not running a freaking marathon or riding the tour de france - i have all the endurance i need..in every area thanks.

[Knockout_Power]

(although the huge amounts of oil i had to inject as it was 50mg/ml was a pain in the ass)......

wtf!?!?! is that a common dosing? Even twice that and I wouldnt run it even if it was free

[Bonaparte]

wtf!?!?! is that a common dosing? Even twice that and I wouldnt run it even if it was free

It is for veterinary EQ.
But most UGLs do it at 300mg/ml (no reason not to, since it is liquid at room temp and very smooth even at high concentrations).

[Knockout_Power]

It is for veterinary EQ.
But most UGLs do it at 300mg/ml (no reason not too, since it is liquid at room temp and very smooth even at high concentrations).

thank you sir, now I know. I will be sure to buy some next spring while doing a tune up on my pedal bike and the chain will need greasing (as Marcus so cleverly refers to it)

[jimmyinkedup]

wtf!?!?! is that a common dosing? Even twice that and I wouldnt run it even if it was free

Thats all u could get back then. It came in 50ml and 100 ml vials. Later on a few vet companies came out with 200mg/ml 10 ml. Now ugls have it as high as 300mgs/ml. Its just as ineffective at directly building muscle at whatever mg/ml dosage you use! *L*

[dec11]

Thats all u could get back then. It came in 50ml and 100 ml vials. Later on a few vet companies came out with 200mg/ml 10 ml. Now ugls have it as high as 300mgs/ml. Its just as ineffective at directly building muscle at whatever mg/ml dosage you use! *L*

ive often heard afew local guys reckoning that the pharma grade vet stuff did work, but i dont know how they could conclude tht? it cant be any different from legit UGL. i think alot stack it with test and thats where they're getting the results.

i asked Marcus in detail about it , endurance etc and he said it isnt worth shit. haz also ran it not tht long ago at 1g pw i believe, he also said its shit. good enough for me

[songdog]

Well I never used it but when Marcus and Haz siad it was shit.That was good enough for me.And yes we dont endorse these mega dose cycles if you really think about it.You dont need it.I would be willing to bet most of those guys taking those mega dose cycles.Aint as big as most of your guys who run it right.

[Hazard]

See bold...
Eq is at best an ancillary - years ago when i got it DIRT cheap, and i mean DIRT cheap i ran it (although the huge amounts of oil i had to inject as it was 50mg/ml was a pain in the ass).....
Ive run it at different durations and dosages - it really is just an ancillary .... I didnt hate it - but saw it for what it was...and wasnt.
Nowadays i would never and dont waste my money ...
Its amazing what dangerously high blood pressure will do for vascularity- but so will low bf and carb manipulation. Hell i eat because i have discilpline i sure as hell dont need to inject 800mgs of something per week to eat. Also im not running a freaking marathon or riding the tour de france - i have all the endurance i need..in every area thanks.

^^^^ Great post.....

I ran 1000mg's/wk for 16+ weeks and I can honestly say tha it was a complete waste of time. I've got experience with a bunch of different compounds..... I try to notice what each compound adds and if it's working. Every compound I ordered from my source was good to go..... now unless his EQ was the ONLY bunk compound he sold..... then it means that EQ sucks for muscle building.

Regarding this forum..... we are here to advise on the SAFE USAGE of steroids. If you want to be a competative bodybuilder - you will more than likely have to use doses that go beyond our general recomendations. That is territory where one must make a choice for themself..... not have a bunch of guys decide that it's not going to affect your health.

Regarding Eq's vascularity and endurance benefits..... Jimmy summed it up pretty well. I'm not running a marathon so wtf do I need more endurance for. EQ "increases vascularity" because of the RBC production. Not only can it lead to HBP but also hospitalization due to a high RBC count. (i forget the condition)

Stick with compounds that actually work.....

~Haz~

[markdbg]

See bold...
Eq is at best an ancillary - years ago when i got it DIRT cheap, and i mean DIRT cheap i ran it (although the huge amounts of oil i had to inject as it was 50mg/ml was a pain in the ass).....
Ive run it at different durations and dosages - it really is just an ancillary .... I didnt hate it - but saw it for what it was...and wasnt.
Nowadays i would never and dont waste my money ...
Its amazing what dangerously high blood pressure will do for vascularity- but so will low bf and carb manipulation. Hell i eat because i have discilpline i sure as hell dont need to inject 800mgs of something per week to eat. Also im not running a freaking marathon or riding the tour de france - i have all the endurance i need..in every area thanks.

you would have to run a ton of eq for along ass time and not watch ur health for ur blood pressure to get dangerously high, and yes ull be vascular at low body fat and watching ur carbs, but eq WITH those things will produce much greater vascularity and hardness. and ok you dont want to run a marathon or be a athlete that has to has great cardio. thats you, ur one person. you cant speak for everyone. you take things for YOUR goals.
what would u advise a nfl player? tren and anadrol? steriods have more purposes then to get huge and strong.

edit- i ran a cycle that was 1200 eq, 100 tren ed and 100 winni ed,great cycle. no problems other then sum chest acne and insomnia
im responding to the bold that u added to mine

yes eq doesnt alone have alot of side effects other then increased bp, but adding it onto a cycle will give u increased side effect, u add 600-900 eq onto ur already planned schedual and ur going to break out with alot more acne, esp on chest, back, shoulders as eq is known for. and it does add aggression. and for ppl running small cycles to afford sides, its not for them.

one thing i think ur forgetting or not aware about, eq can replace synthetic testostrone, ur still able to get hard, its test without the bloat. with similar gains.

and we dont all take steriods for strength and mass, some take for athletic performance. some take to enhance apperence, which eq is best for, nice lean hard gains, no bloat, makes u very vascular, enhances cardio performance. yeah eq sounds like a really bad steriod. not everyone wants to be huge and strong.

why would anyone who hasnt taken it say its great? theres no reason to. and if u take eq, u know whats its doing, where does the appitite come from? where does the hardness come from? where do the veins come from? cause its not coming from your test or your dbols. if you know ur steriods ull know whats doing what.

if eq is a bad steriod, why does everyone love mast? pretty much the same steroid, just stronger on the harderness without the veins.

edit- i ran a cycle of 1200 eq a week 100 tren 100 winni daily, great results without any ED problems, just had acne on chest, shoulders back and insomnia from tren. bit of join pain from winni by gluco solved that real fast

[Hazard]

you would have to run a ton of eq for along ass time and not watch ur health for ur blood pressure to get dangerously high, and yes ull be vascular at low body fat and watching ur carbs, but eq WITH those things will produce much greater vascularity and hardness. and ok you dont want to run a marathon or be a athlete that has to has great cardio. thats you, ur one person. you cant speak for everyone. you take things for YOUR goals.
what would u advise a nfl player? tren and anadrol? steriods have more purposes then to get huge and strong.

edit- i ran a cycle that was 1200 eq, 100 tren ed and 100 winni ed,great cycle. no problems other then sum chest acne and insomnia
im responding to the bold that u added to mine

yes eq doesnt alone have alot of side effects other then increased bp, but adding it onto a cycle will give u increased side effect, u add 600-900 eq onto ur already planned schedual and ur going to break out with alot more acne, esp on chest, back, shoulders as eq is known for. and it does add aggression. and for ppl running small cycles to afford sides, its not for them.

one thing i think ur forgetting or not aware about, eq can replace synthetic testostrone, ur still able to get hard, its test without the bloat. with similar gains.

EQ is NOT like testosterone..... EQ is highly anabolic - Testosterone is anabolic/androgenic. While yes testosterone can cause more bloat..... The gains in muscularity are in no way comparable to EQ. Testosterone also converts to DHT..... EQ converts to DHB (dehydroboldenone) - when it comes in contact with the 5a receptors it can still cause hairloss.
and we dont all take steriods for strength and mass, some take for athletic performance. some take to enhance apperence, which eq is best for, nice lean hard gains, no bloat, makes u very vascular, enhances cardio performance. yeah eq sounds like a really bad steriod. not everyone wants to be huge and strong.

why would anyone who hasnt taken it say its great? theres no reason to. and if u take eq, u know whats its doing, where does the appitite come from? where does the hardness come from? where do the veins come from? cause its not coming from your test or your dbols. if you know ur steriods ull know whats doing what.

The hunger, vascularity, and stamina come from an increase in RBC's. According to your logic..... Test and Dbol don't increase RBC's? How come my fathers TRT doc has him give blood one every 6-8 weeks to prevent dangerous levels of RBC's? He's on a Dose of 350mg's/wk of Test Enanthate...... so imagine what 1000+mg's/wk of EQ does.

if eq is a bad steriod, why does everyone love mast? pretty much the same steroid, just stronger on the harderness without the veins. It's not like mast..... Mast is a DHT and EQ is not. EQ's hardness effects are nowhere near that of half the dose of Masteron.

edit- i ran a cycle of 1200 eq a week 100 tren 100 winni daily, great results without any ED problems, just had acne on chest, shoulders back and insomnia from tren. bit of join pain from winni by gluco solved that real fast

Also..... for the record..... EQ is actually VERY similar to winny in that it increases collagen synthesis but DOES NOT increase the Cross-linking Connectivity. Therefore making the new fibres brittle and more suceptible to tearing. This is quite counter-productive for an athlete isn't it?

~Haz~

[Bonaparte]

you would have to run a ton of eq for along ass time and not watch ur health for ur blood pressure to get dangerously high
Plenty of us would beg to differ. This will vary from one guy to the next.

, and yes ull be vascular at low body fat and watching ur carbs, but eq WITH those things will produce much greater vascularity and hardness.
I didn't notice much more vascularity from it than Tren, Primo, or Var.

and ok you dont want to run a marathon or be a athlete that has to has great cardio. thats you, ur one person. you cant speak for everyone. you take things for YOUR goals.
what would u advise a nfl player? tren and anadrol? steriods have more purposes then to get huge and strong.

edit- i ran a cycle that was 1200 eq, 100 tren ed and 100 winni ed,great cycle. no problems other then sum chest acne and insomnia
im responding to the bold that u added to mine

yes eq doesnt alone have alot of side effects other then increased bp, but adding it onto a cycle will give u increased side effect
Just what side are you arguing here?

, u add 600-900 eq onto ur already planned schedual and ur going to break out with alot more acne, esp on chest, back, shoulders as eq is known for.
Says who?
and it does add aggression.
Not really. It isn't very androgenic.
and for ppl running small cycles to afford sides, its not for them.

one thing i think ur forgetting or not aware about, eq can replace synthetic testostrone, ur still able to get hard, its test without the bloat. with similar gains.
Absolute bullshit in every respect

and we dont all take steriods for strength and mass, some take for athletic performance. some take to enhance apperence, which eq is best for, nice lean hard gains, no bloat, makes u very vascular, enhances cardio performance. yeah eq sounds like a really bad steriod. not everyone wants to be huge and strong.

So it increases vascularity? Woohoo. So do plenty of better AAS. The cardio thing is a plus, but that isn't why most use it.

why would anyone who hasnt taken it say its great? theres no reason to. and if u take eq, u know whats its doing, where does the appitite come from? You tell me. I never noticed a spike in appetite.

where does the hardness come from? where do the veins come from? cause its not coming from your test or your dbols. if you know ur steriods ull know whats doing what.

if eq is a bad steriod, why does everyone love mast? pretty much the same steroid, just stronger on the harderness without the veins.

What? How do you figure? Mast is completely dry (so it helps control estrogen), a much better hardener, and delivers more strength and aggression (at the cost of androgenic sides). AND it has a minimal impact on hematocrit

edit- i ran a cycle of 1200 eq a week 100 tren 100 winni daily, great results without any ED problems, just had acne on chest, shoulders back and insomnia from tren. bit of join pain from winni by gluco solved that real fast

See bold.

[MR10X]

We need Marcus right about now =)

Why? he already said he has never used it......................

[DIESELPWR]

It's not like trstosterone.. I could be wrong here but I thought it was actually similar to dbol.. I thought when they made it, they made it by accident trying to make an injectable version of dbol and although they don't have many of the same properties, chemically they are similar.. But like I said, thats just what I remember I might be mixed up..

I don't have much experience with it, but can one of u guys tell me if there's any truth to the claim that I can diet really well on it and hold on to the most muscle while consuming the least amount of calories? It's just something I heard somewhere once.. Thanks

[dec11]

you would have to run a ton of eq for along ass time and not watch ur health for ur blood pressure to get dangerously high, and yes ull be vascular at low body fat and watching ur carbs, but eq WITH those things will produce much greater vascularity and hardness. and ok you dont want to run a marathon or be a athlete that has to has great cardio. thats you, ur one person. you cant speak for everyone. you take things for YOUR goals.
what would u advise a nfl player? tren and anadrol? steriods have more purposes then to get huge and strong.

edit- i ran a cycle that was 1200 eq, 100 tren ed and 100 winni ed,great cycle. no problems other then sum chest acne and insomnia
im responding to the bold that u added to mine

yes eq doesnt alone have alot of side effects other then increased bp, but adding it onto a cycle will give u increased side effect, u add 600-900 eq onto ur already planned schedual and ur going to break out with alot more acne, esp on chest, back, shoulders as eq is known for. and it does add aggression. and for ppl running small cycles to afford sides, its not for them.

one thing i think ur forgetting or not aware about, eq can replace synthetic testostrone, ur still able to get hard, its test without the bloat. with similar gains.

and we dont all take steriods for strength and mass, some take for athletic performance. some take to enhance apperence, which eq is best for, nice lean hard gains, no bloat, makes u very vascular, enhances cardio performance. yeah eq sounds like a really bad steriod. not everyone wants to be huge and strong.

why would anyone who hasnt taken it say its great? theres no reason to. and if u take eq, u know whats its doing, where does the appitite come from? where does the hardness come from? where do the veins come from? cause its not coming from your test or your dbols. if you know ur steriods ull know whats doing what.

if eq is a bad steriod, why does everyone love mast? pretty much the same steroid, just stronger on the harderness without the veins.

edit- i ran a cycle of 1200 eq a week 100 tren 100 winni daily, great results without any ED problems, just had acne on chest, shoulders back and insomnia from tren. bit of join pain from winni by gluco solved that real fast

man, glaring mistakes there, you really need to read up before you argue the case of a useless compound.

you ran tren and winnie with it, theres your results

oh, and every compound ive used has increase vascularity

[dec11]

Why? he already said he has never used it......................

you'd be better checking your facts, of course he has used it

[Sgt. Hartman]

Why? he already said he has never used it......................

Either your memory or your reading comprehension is failing you........

[jimmyinkedup]

why would anyone who hasnt taken it say its great?


if eq is a bad steriod, why does everyone love mast? pretty much the same steroid, just stronger on the harderness without the veins.

I suppose for the same reason that someone who has obviously not run masteron would compare it to eq......

Look you are entitled to your opinion but keep it within reason. I see over and over people trying to make eq out to be something it just isnt. Like you just did here.
Enough already with the broscience "if you know your steroids youll know whats doing what."
How about this - If you have real world experience and dont base shit off what u have read , and youve cycled in a fashion to be able to know firsthand what each compound is really doing (or not doing) then you know for a fact whats doing what. Thats what people get here .....

If u really like eq run it like crazy - hopefully more and more people run it and demand goes down for the true muscle building steroids and I can buy them even cheaper than I can now.

[FONZY007]

The results u got, as well as the results other people THINK they got from Eq., were from the Prop. / Test. Equipoise does nothing mor than giv u a bit longer wind / stamina, & it doesn't even do THAT well enuf 2 warrant spending money on it.

What about in the bedroom, boy I was able to pound it all day, I would ejaculate and still stay hard!

I know off topic lol

[MR10X]

Either your memory or your reading comprehension is failing you........

Not true,he stated he might have to try it and see what all the fuss is about.....

[dec11]

Not true,he stated he might have to try it and see what all the fuss is about.....

do all ppl get this contrary as they get older, or is this an EQ side effect?

i have asked him in detail about EQ, he has used it and was obviously being sarcastic with that remark.

[jimmyinkedup]

Not true,he stated he might have to try it and see what all the fuss is about.....

that was Matt .... in one of the other 500 BS eq threads where you and one other guy say its good and virtually everyone else with firsthand experience using it says it isnt........

[jimmyinkedup]

duplicate....

[MR10X]

Clinical Equipoise and Athletes
That double bond is also responsible for Equipoises resistance for being changed by the 5- 5-Alpha-reductase enzyme (2)(3). This enzyme converts a small amount of Boldenone into Dihydroboldenone, which is a very potent androgen (7x as anabolic as testosterone)(4). As I said though, such a small amount of it is converted that its really of no concern to most athletes taking Equipoise. This factor, plus its low aromatization rate mean athletes dont need to consider using ancillaries with Equipoise.

Athletes taking Equipoise often report a slow and constant buildup of quality muscle, and certainly this has been my experience with the drug. I would speculate that this slow buildup of muscle is due to the very long ester attached to the Boldenone; Undeclynate is a longer ester than the decanoate ester by one carbon. Thus, we could expect the accumulation of muscle from Equipoise to actually occur at a slightly slower rate than that found with Deca (nandrolone decanoate). This leads me to advise that if you are considering the use of Equipoise, you should consider using it for no less than 12 weeks. Equipoise, like deca, is also detectable in your system for a long time (although it is substantially less than decas detection time).

Strangely, shorter estered versions of Boldenone are available as well. Anecdotally, many people (and manufacturers) claim that this produces less water retention...but water retention from Equipoise is virtually unheard of, so I consider this to be a silly idea.

An informal poll I took on Steroid.com (as well as with my friends) seems to put the ideal dose of Equipoise at 600mgs/week. Most people I asked about their Equipoise experience with Equipoise seemed to think that using over 600mgs/week produced no additional results, but the jump from 400mgs/week to 600mgs/week produced noticeable additional gains, and thus was warranted. I have personally found very nice results from 400mgs-600mgs/week myself.



Read more: http://www.steroid.com/Equipoise.php#ixzz1h7M0iVGb

[Hazard]

^^^^ Another out-dated write up. Looks like we're going to have to get someone to write a new one.....

Thats also one man's opinion not a collective opinion. It's also not a study of any sort so the information isn't scientific or proven.

~Haz~

[MR10X]

one mans opinion? not a collective opinion?
An informal poll I took on Steroid .com (as well as with my friends) seems to put the ideal dose of Equipoise at 600mgs/week.

[jimmyinkedup]

I think the general concensus here is clear...
But we def do haved alot of work to do updating info...
Profiles like that are the reason people say the shit they do about eq....

[MR10X]

It's also not a study of any sort so the information isn't scientific or proven.

~Haz~
Like everybodys here is? WTF