What can be achieved naturally?

[Iopu]

How big and strong can you get without roids? Do you think it is possible to bench press 315X8 even if it takes a few years?

[Armykid93]

I think that has been done natural dude. One of my friend is all natural and not even a powerlifter and does 315x5

[Bigherm21]

Ya nutrition is a big part. It's amazing how eating right can make the difference with being a stud or a dud. With or without juice. Tons of kids think they poke thereselves in the ass and they get big. It doesn't work like that. It isn't a magical pill

[gymfu]

Yes, I trained for 9 years without ASS and made huge gains. Learn how to eat, that's key.

[SportbikerKid]

I bench 315x3 after 15 months of natty lifting. Running a 15-17% BF tho. 8x315 doesn't seem that far out of reach.

[alexISthrowed]

I was benching 305 at 16. Diet, proper training, and consistency are 90% of getting big.

[pikenat]

I hit the 315x5 a couple months ago natty, just takes a while ... someone on this website said something like "Bodybuilding is a marathon not a sprint" and that's very true

[Supertotal]

Check out the USAPL, IPF ("classic"), and 100% Raw powerlifting federations for raw records. They are all drug tested, the IPF/USAPL to the Olympic (IOC) WADA standard. Drug tested does not necessarily mean drug free, but for the most part I would say the majority are clean. That will give you an idea at least of how far you can get naturally. Of course, your results may vary.

[vBRAH]

Layne Norton.

[mirin_serratus]

yeah it is possible but very hard for most people with average genetics, and almost everyone you see repping 300+ are not natural. Take some of the strongest natural guys around (natural as they claim), like layne, chris hickson etc all squatting 600-700 and pulling around 800lbs, and they're only maxing around 350lbs on bench

[gearbox]

natty or not...anything over three plates is alot of weight to pushing up...

[alexISthrowed]

yeah it is possible but very hard for most people with average genetics, and almost everyone you see repping 300+ are not natural. Take some of the strongest natural guys around (natural as they claim), like layne, chris hickson etc all squatting 600-700 and pulling around 800lbs, and they're only maxing around 350lbs on bench

Show me a video of layne norton deadlifting 800 and squatting 700. This I would like to see.

[bigoz]

My natural best was at 18, benched 315 for 5. Just your average supplement user back then

[Bonaparte]

It largely depends on your genetics. Some dudes can do that the first time they step foot in a gym (rare), others will train for years and never come close to those numbers.

[vBRAH]

Not quite 700 but close http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl0RF65VLHQ

[SportbikerKid]

yeah it is possible but very hard for most people with average genetics, and almost everyone you see repping 300+ are not natural. Take some of the strongest natural guys around (natural as they claim), like layne, chris hickson etc all squatting 600-700 and pulling around 800lbs, and they're only maxing around 350lbs on bench

350 is not a great bench even for natty. I bet those guys are pushing alot more than that

[DeadlyD]

How big and strong can you get without roids? Do you think it is possible to bench press 315X8 even if it takes a few years?

I've never cycled and important benching 330x8! And plan on doing alot more when i cycle !

i move heavy things!

[alexISthrowed]

Not quite 700 but close http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl0RF65VLHQ

Still impressed.

[yannick35]

Not quite 700 but close http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wl0RF65VLHQ

that guy strength is amazing. I am going to look up more of is youtube videos, thanks for the link