Bulking Cycle followed immediately with a Cutting Cycle?

[haza124]

Dear All,
I am new to this site (this being my first thread) and have done quite a bit of reading, so it is not actually a direct answer to a question that I required, more the opinion of experienced body builders.
Firstly a bit about myself, I am 20 years old and have been training for the past 3 years on and off (more on then off), I am quite a skinny guy whatever I eat goes straight to my belly so I'm always and constantly watching my diet as I have to work very hard losing the belly fat. I find that I lose fat everywhere else first before shedding anything from my belly. I have managed with great difficulty to get to a slightly ripped physique not as good as I have hoped for. I feel as though now is the perfect time to start a bulking cycle in order to get that boost that I have always needed to get bigger.

The stuff I have available to me are Testosterone Enanthate, Dianabol, Nandrolone and Winstrel.
I do not wish to get absolutely massive I just need a little more meat on me as being slim actually suits me but at the moment I am just TOO skinny.
I would like to take as few things as possible in the shortest amount of time possible to achieve these effects.
Is it possible to do a bulking cycle immediately followed by a cutting cycle as I want to get slightly bigger but get as ripped as possible. I have considered taking winstrels right now but the only problem is I am already too skinny and need a bit of bulking first otherwise there will be nothing left of me. I have also considered doing the usual bulking cycle followed by a cutting cycle, but will this be too much of an imbalance for my hormones?
I am thinking to start the testosterone enanthate for 12 weeks, deca for the first 8 weeks, dianobol for the first 3 weeks, and winstrel for weeks 8 to 12. After which the cycle will be followed by two weeks of Nolvadex which I am sure is available from the local Holland and Barrett.
I have also heard that a HCG is good to use to maintain testicular size? Is this actually needed and if so where could I get some from as its not available to me where I am getting the other stuff from.
I also understand that diet is an enormously important factor, at the moment I control my diet as much as possible due to the reason of weight only being gained in the stomach area and not anywhere else, but if I was to be taking these things which I hope will over come that problem eating 5 or 6 big meals a day should not be a problem.

Can anyone suggest a regime and doses that would apply with what I am aiming to achieve? Or even advice on whether it is good, bad, wrong or right, even personal experiences of first time cycles and relevant tips would be great.

I would be enormously appreciated for any advice, if I have done anything wrong such as posting the wrong type of thread in the wrong place, forgive me as again, this is only my first thread, and we must all start somewhere.
Kind Regards
and thank you in advance.

[gymfu]

Have you read about the dangers of cycling at your age? We don't condone ASS for anyone under 23 and should wait till 25.

Spend the next 5 years learning how to diet, this is a huge factor with or without ASS.

[haza124]

Yeah I have read quite a bit, especially the hormone imbalance and the stunted growth?
I think I've done all of the growing that I was going to do, have had no increase in height for the past 2 years but as for the hormone imbalance, I was under the impression that was what the Nolvadex would sort out after the cycle.
I know you should never go with something because your friends are, but a friend of mine has started the simple bulking cycle same age as me due to his friends all doing it at this age also.
As we are both trying to achieve different things where he just wants to get as big as possible, I want to get slightly more meat on me and lean, I thought I'd ask for more views instead of just his. Just wanted to let you know what got me thinking this way in the first place.
Thanks for replying by the way.

[gymfu]

You can achieve those goals without AAS.
The problem with your age is also it will do permanent damage to your HPTA system. This is going to cause you problems when you get older. The nova and clomid, PCT, is to get your system back up and running but damage is already done.

[Knockout_Power]

I would like to take as few things as possible in the shortest amount of time possible to achieve these effects..

and this would pretty much sum up all your issues.

At 20 years old, your body is prime for building muscle. If you gain fat the way you are currently doing things, anabolics will not help. A proper diet is what you need. You will not get fat eating properly, but will create a better enviroment to grow naturally. I know this takes a lot of effort and dedication, which is the reason most young people dont like doing it this way

[haza124]

Can i ask as to what effects I will go through later on in life as an outcome of me taking steroids now?

[songdog]

You could develop ED you could have low T and be on trt for the rest of your life.Maybe not be able to have kids is that enough for a lil muscle that you may end up losing anyway.

[haza124]

You could develop ED you could have low T and be on trt for the rest of your life.Maybe not be able to have kids is that enough for a lil muscle that you may end up losing anyway.

Wow, that is serious, and these problems are avoided if taken at 25 instead of now?
I really appreciate and value all the advice you guys have given me here, clearly it would have been a life changing decision for me.

[haza124]

Although I dont have a clue what ED, low T and trt are? I've tried searching on Google but no luck.

[lovbyts]

ED = Erectile dysfunction meaning you cant get your d*ck hard, no boner, no sex. Lot T = low testosterone meaning you have to inject testosterone the rest of your live every week just to have what would have been a normal level = TRT, testosterone repla***ent Therapy. No much fun.

Those are just the beginning. Everyone your age, myself included though I was done growing at 20, you arent....

No there is no guarantee that if you wait until you are 25 none of these things will happen. Yes you will be done growing. You may still have other symtpoms if you dont run a proper PCT or sometimes even if you do but typically not. You are more at risk because your hormones are still constantly changing and are near it's peak now so screwing with them can really mess things up for the long term.

Some of the more mild, less sever side effects especially when young are extreme acne and sometimes they leave permanent scars. Also many young people have acne for months after cycle or during PCT due to hormonal imbalance. It's bad enough a lot of people wont even take of their shirt, what fun is that?

Now you can spend a whole less money concentrating on GOOD food, diet and training and have awesome results with no side effects. If more people spent what they do on diet instead of gear they would have the same results that are 100% keep-able. Focus on diet for now and training. Visit the diet section and start learning what you really need to do.

[haza124]

Thank you for everyone's feedback, it has really saved me from making an irrational decision and I will do exactly as instructed eat right and train right till I'm a lot more experienced. If possible though I was going to start this course with a friend who is now 26, he already has a good enough body but wants to get slightly bigger and therefore had similar questions to me:

The stuff available are Testosterone Enanthate , Dianabol , Nandrolone and Winstrel.

Is it possible to do a bulking cycle immediately followed by a cutting cycle?
As he wants to get slightly bigger but get as ripped as possible

The cycle I have recommended to him is testosterone enanthate for 12 weeks, deca for the first 8 weeks, dianobol for the first 3 weeks, and winstrel for weeks 8 to 12. After which the cycle will be followed by two weeks of Nolvadex which is what I was planning on doing.

He would also like to know about HCG which is good to use to maintain testicular size? Is this actually needed and if so where could he get some from.

Can anyone suggest a regime and doses that would apply with what he is aiming to achieve? Or even advice on whether it is good, bad, wrong or right, even personal experiences of first time cycles and relevant tips would be great.

Finally another friend who has just started a bulking cycle wished to know how water intake should be changed on starting a bulking cycle?

Kind Regards once again.

[stpete]

Tell your "friend" to do his own research as responses to this thread is pretty much closed.