First cyce

[felk87]

hey whats going on guys, I am planning to start my first cycle on the second week of January. I've been reading over the years and gathering info about AAS and what is the proper way to use them. My stats are as follow, height:5'9", weight:185 lbs, BF%: 16, my goal: to gain around 5-7 lbs of quality muscle.

so here is a little about my self, I started to work out when i was around 13 years of age because my oldest brother was really into it. when in middle school I actually started to see some definition more than my other class mates i actually started to get addicted to working out, i mean my parents would yell at me to stop before i would hurt my self. when i got to high school I had a great foundation and it was time to kick start my real body building figure. By my freshman year of high school i was the strongest kid in the small town that i lived at, only two high school, my bench was 315 lbs, squad was 580 lbs, i wasn't the strongest with my legs but for a freshman i defenitly attracted a lot of the schools coaches attention, never played football i was pursued to play for the first time and started as a right tackle in the Varsity football team. same story happened with wrestling I was pursuit into doing it so i did it and i loved it as it helped my physique and got ripped. by my senior year i was ready to play college football as I did great for four years coming in second with the most sacks in the state, 6th game into my senior year season the worst happened, my left knee got shattered when i got chopped blocked by a punk, needles to say my recovery took a year and a half. not being able to train at all i went from being fit to a "bitch". by my sophomore year of college i was 95% back and i was ready to get back into training, i was weighing 162 lbs, by he time i graduated I weight 195 lbs and 19% BF, i was a big kid but was carrying a lot of fat and didn't feel fit, now one year later i got my weight down to 185 lbs and i feel like i am in great shape. i can easily gain or lose weight the problem is that when i gain weight i seem to get really puffy, and when i loose it i seem to shrink a lot (muscularity wise) which is why I wanted to do AAS to help with this issue, i am a very dedicated person not just on working out, but socially, and productively, when i do things i make sure i do them at 100%. ok sorry for the long story.

But i was planing on doing this cycle, and i know it isn't what is advise by most but i would like to know if my goals with the proper dedication and diet, will i be able to reach them as i have tried many different ways without success. I know most pople advice a dose of Test to be for a first timer between 400-500 mg per week but this is what i wanted to experiment with. please advice.

my compound of choice is Test E running it at 250 mg per week splitting it into two injections one Monday and the other on Thursday for 8 to ten weeks depending on how it works out, if i am getting the desirable results that i want. I was also planning on running Nolva at 5mg ED for the entire cycle with a dose of HCG of 250 iu's a week. again i am planing on doing it for 8-10 weeks depending on what the outcome is, i do have enough nolva for during the cycle and for PCT. I also have Letro in case and i was planing on running it at .5mg EOD for the first week only, week 6, and week 8 just to avoid any sides even tho its a low dose of Test E i want to minimize sides at all cost, specially if i have extra product available. for PCT i was planning on running clomid and nolva 100/50/50/50 and 40/40/20/20 and HCG at 250 ius a well for pct, Planing on starting PCT two weeks after last pin. I do have one question in regards to HCG, i was planning on buying extra Bac water, actually i already have a 10ml vial but I obviously don't want to mix that much and have to pin 1ml every time just to get 250 iu's, any recommendation on how to get an accurate measurement at a low dose to get 250 ius per pin to mix with the Test E. My syringes are 3 ml 23G 1 1/2". Diet wise i am currently in the search of a good one on the nutrition section as well as how to make the most of this cycle to obtain the results i want, I currently eat ok, nothing like you guys do, but I will find a good diet to stick to in the forums that will exceed the 3200-3500 minimum req. to gain size. anyway thank you for reading and have a good x-mas. I have two 10 ml vials of Test E at 250 mg each ml, but like I said, I would first like to consider the option of sticking with 250mg a week, unless some one tells me is just the dumbmest idea ever, i just want to gain slowly but quality muscle and make sure i work extra hard for it, i don't want to get puffy as hell and look obviously roided out, hope i can get some helpful advice and constructive advice.

[felk87]

Dang by the way i am 24 and will be 25 in Feb 2012.

[songdog]

Well it seems like you did your homework congrats.1st I would post up your diet in the diet section with macros.This is your 1st cycle and you dont want to mess it up.Beacuse if you do it right they are the best.Stick with 500mg test per week dont ramp thats old school.No need to and your pct looks good with Hcg.Some guys run Nova during cycle but you dont need it unless you develope problems.But it is nice to have a ai on hand like Adex.Lethro is for gyno so dont use that.As for mixing hcg you will need someone else for that I always have to ask.Good luck bro

[alexISthrowed]

People run low dose letro during there cycles. .5 mg eod is fine. What is your reasoning behind running it for the first week only? I prefer adex since it is not a suicidal inhibitor. You can either run an ai throughout your cycle to stay on the safe side or just use it if estrogen sides appear. As for your hcg your going to need slin pins to accurately dose it. http://peptidecalculator.com/calculator.php this is a good site to help you with your dosing. Like songdog said stick with 500mg throughout the cycle. With 250mg you will just shut down your natural test production and supplement it with artificial test. Why only 8-10 weeks on a long ester?

[Bigherm21]

Letro is so strong. I keep it on hand just in case but i always run aromasin.

[Knockout_Power]

my compound of choice is Test E running it at 250 mg per week splitting it into two injections one Monday and the other on Thursday for 8 to ten weeks .

you are only running it @ 250/wk?

Seems you have the important stuff covered. I would suggest dropping the letro unless you see signs of side effects you dont want. Letro is very harsh, would rather run aromasin or a-dex IF needed.

[gymfu]

250mg per weeks is not enough. 400mg minimum.

[felk87]

yes, I've read letro is harsh, which is why i would only run very low doses, only a few times during the cycle, supplement by nolva the days i do not take it, I am also considering what you said about 400mg a week, will 250mg/a week be a waste? i dont feel like spending more $$ on diferent AI's if i already have 25x2.5mg letro. any one on whats the best way to mix the HCG to get an accurate low dose of 250 ius with Bac water? thanks for your advice guys. I also heard of the Pre cylce prep a lot of people do and i am strongly thinking about the carb cycle for 2 weeks before starting the cycle as i"ve read it kick starts the cycle very well by putting th body into a anabolic state, any one try this before?

[songdog]

Bro you dont want to run the letro it will wipe out like 90% of your estro.You need that to grow letro wasnt ment to run like Adex if you want to put on some size with this cycle you better listen and read.Hit the pct section and read wat Swiftos got to say.He is 2nd to none on this topic.

[alexISthrowed]

Bro you dont want to run the letro it will wipe out like 90% of your estro.You need that to grow letro wasnt ment to run like Adex if you want to put on some size with this cycle you better listen and read.Hit the pct section and read wat Swiftos got to say.He is 2nd to none on this topic.

Letro can and is run during cycles. The amount of estrogen it wipes out is dose dependent. I agree there are better options, but it's not gonna ruin his cycle. If all I had was letro I would run .25mg eod or e3d considering the strength.

[cro]

250 mg you will be dissapointed...

[felk87]

again i appreciate every ons advice, but i am not after getting huge after this cycle, i don't want to get puffy and then come of the cycle and loose all that i gained like i hear and read a lot about, im after quality muscle, not quick fast results, i want to work hard and make sure that what ever i gain i keep, the letro i know it blocks 98+% of estrogen but the active life of it in your body i not to long, which is why i was considering using it EOD or even E3D with the combination of .5mg of nolva to help keep the receptors of my tits protected. I read the article that Swifto and many others have written about all AI's. and from what I read letro is harsh but taken in a low dose as a preventative can actually give you a better dry look, less puffines, and protect you and reverse geno better than any other AI. Another good post was C-bino (dr. tits) he gives a perfect good dose to run while on cycle, i already have the letro in hand. where i live aromasin and aidex are much more expensive than letro. i feel that .25mg E3D would help me out a lot on keeping any matter development behind my tits away and help me keep dry, looking less puffy. 250mg I'll be dissapointed, dang.

ok how bout 400mg/week Test E

something like 200 mon, 200 thurs with 250 ius of HCG each pin and .25mg of letro EOD with nolva .5mg the days i don't take letro, and PCT the same except HCG raised to 500ius first three weeks, then 250 the last two (considering that i run it during the two weeks i stop the cycle and start PCT)

[felk87]

forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?236880-All-you-need-to-know-about-GYNO.

[MacLean]

yes, I've read letro is harsh, which is why i would only run very low doses, only a few times during the cycle, supplement by nolva the days i do not take it, I am also considering what you said about 400mg a week, will 250mg/a week be a waste? i dont feel like spending more $$ on diferent AI's if i already have 25x2.5mg letro. any one on whats the best way to mix the HCG to get an accurate low dose of 250 ius with Bac water? thanks for your advice guys. I also heard of the Pre cylce prep a lot of people do and i am strongly thinking about the carb cycle for 2 weeks before starting the cycle as i"ve read it kick starts the cycle very well by putting th body into a anabolic state, any one try this before?

Why only a few times? Keep it for when you need it bro, you don't know how your body will react to the Test, you might not get any neg sides at all

[alexISthrowed]

again i appreciate every ons advice, but i am not after getting huge after this cycle, i don't want to get puffy and then come of the cycle and loose all that i gained like i hear and read a lot about, im after quality muscle, not quick fast results, i want to work hard and make sure that what ever i gain i keep, the letro i know it blocks 98+% of estrogen but the active life of it in your body i not to long, which is why i was considering using it EOD or even E3D with the combination of .5mg of nolva to help keep the receptors of my tits protected. I read the article that Swifto and many others have written about all AI's. and from what I read letro is harsh but taken in a low dose as a preventative can actually give you a better dry look, less puffines, and protect you and reverse geno better than any other AI. Another good post was C-bino (dr. tits) he gives a perfect good dose to run while on cycle, i already have the letro in hand. where i live aromasin and aidex are much more expensive than letro. i feel that .25mg E3D would help me out a lot on keeping any matter development behind my tits away and help me keep dry, looking less puffy. 250mg I'll be dissapointed, dang.

ok how bout 400mg/week Test E

something like 200 mon, 200 thurs with 250 ius of HCG each pin and .25mg of letro EOD with nolva .5mg the days i don't take letro, and PCT the same except HCG raised to 500ius first three weeks, then 250 the last two (considering that i run it during the two weeks i stop the cycle and start PCT)

First of all the amount of estrogen the letro will kill is DOSE DEPENDANT. .25mg e3d is a good dose and will leave plenty of estrogen to grow. do 200mg test e 2x a week. You can run hcg at 250iu's 2x a week. Might as well do it on the same day you pin your test to keep it simple. When you come off the cycle stop your hcg as it will keep your hpta suppressed. On my last cycle I took hcg at 250ius ed for the last two weeks and that was it. I don't feel the need to take it throughout the whole cycle unless your going to be on for over 12 weeks. I think you are over complicating things here.

[felk87]

First of all the amount of estrogen the letro will kill is DOSE DEPENDANT. .25mg e3d is a good dose and will leave plenty of estrogen to grow. do 200mg test e 2x a week. You can run hcg at 250iu's 2x a week. Might as well do it on the same day you pin your test to keep it simple. When you come off the cycle stop your hcg as it will keep your hpta suppressed. On my last cycle I took hcg at 250ius ed for the last two weeks and that was it. I don't feel the need to take it throughout the whole cycle unless your going to be on for over 12 weeks. I think you are over complicating things here.

you might be right as far as me maybe complicating thins here, but when you read some of the threads here and other forums people make AAS sound scary as isshh lol, but i get what you are saying man and i appreciate what you adviced, now how to get the best dose of HCG mixed so i can pin small amounts to= 250ius i have a 5000 iu bottle now so i need to figure out a good mixture that will be a smart one.

[alexISthrowed]

you might be right as far as me maybe complicating thins here, but when you read some of the threads here and other forums people make AAS sound scary as isshh lol, but i get what you are saying man and i appreciate what you adviced, now how to get the best dose of HCG mixed so i can pin small amounts to= 250ius i have a 5000 iu bottle now so i need to figure out a good mixture that will be a smart one.

Aas can sound scary at first and it is good you are being smart and doing your research. As for your hcg I posted a link to a peptide calculator site. All you have to do is fill in the blanks and it will do the rest. You will need to buy u-100 insulin syringes for your hcg. I prefer 29g, 1/2 cc, 1/2 inch pins. You could mix your hcg with 2ml of bac water. Then pull out 1/10th of a ml or up to the 10th tick mark on you insulin syringe. This would be 250 iu's.

[felk87]

Aas can sound scary at first and it is good you are being smart and doing your research. As for your hcg I posted a link to a peptide calculator site. All you have to do is fill in the blanks and it will do the rest. You will need to buy u-100 insulin syringes for your hcg. I prefer 29g, 1/2 cc, 1/2 inch pins. You could mix your hcg with 2ml of bac water. Then pull out 1/10th of a ml or up to the 10th tick mark on you insulin syringe. This would be 250 iu's.

alright man, thanks for all the help.

[alexISthrowed]

alright man, thanks for all the help.

No problem man. Enjoy the pumps! lol

[felk87]

where do you inject your HCG?

[alexISthrowed]

where do you inject your HCG?

You can do sub q or im I believe. I always do im in my delts.

[felk87]

You can do sub q or im I believe. I always do im in my delts.

alright just ordered 29g 1/2" 1cc insulin syringes, ill try delts, I also read you could just mix it in the same pin with the gear and gtg, that would be cool only 2 pins a week instead of 4.

[alexISthrowed]

alright just ordered 29g 1/2" 1cc insulin syringes, ill try delts, I also read you could just mix it in the same pin with the gear and gtg, that would be cool only 2 pins a week instead of 4.

I don't know about mixing it in the same syringe. I guess it's possible but I wouldn't pin my gear with a slin pin. Depending on the gear and what it's made with you may not even be able to draw it into a 29g pin. Also 1/2 inch is a pretty short pin especially for glutes and quads. I use a 3ml syringe with a 20g inch and a half pin to draw my gear then a 25g one inch pin to inject. A little 29g pin is nothing to worry about. With the peps and gear I run I pin myself 4-5x every day.

[felk87]

I don't know about mixing it in the same syringe. I guess it's possible but I wouldn't pin my gear with a slin pin. Depending on the gear and what it's made with you may not even be able to draw it into a 29g pin. Also 1/2 inch is a pretty short pin especially for glutes and quads. I use a 3ml syringe with a 20g inch and a half pin to draw my gear then a 25g one inch pin to inject. A little 29g pin is nothing to worry about. With the peps and gear I run I pin myself 4-5x every day.

i got you, yeah i wasn't saying int he same insulin, that would take for ever lol, i mean i read some pinners mix it with the pin like a 23g. but yeah Im just not a huge fan of needles but no pain no gain haha, ill just do 4 pins a week no prob.