rather large cycle from a quiet member

[markdbg]

i understand if moderators want to delete this as this may be bad for starters to read,

ill share a bit about myself,been training for 7 years started at age of 13 just lifting weights with my dad, and fell in love with the sport, started going to the gym for full workouts
at age of 14 all i did was play sports, eat and train doing research about bodybuilding and spare time. at the age of 15 i was forced to stop playing sports due to 8 concussions so all my focus was transfered to bodybuilding. at age of 15 i started reading about steroids . did my first cycle at age of 19 when i was sure.

always been a big kid, weighed 180 pounds at age 13. always loosing or gaining weight until this year where its staying steady.currently at 230 at 511 probably 12-13% bf, will get checked when i go for check up

my next cycle for the next little while

starting off and will increase dose (been on test for about 9 months now blasting and cruising with cycles, had to come off for a month in nov-dec because of no source, ran no pct felt great, strength stayed the same on all lifts except for back movements, and compound lifts (which i dont do many,i dont powerlift, i bodybuild and i dont care how much i lift)

first three months
1 gram of prop a week, doing ed shots
700 tren a a week, 100 ed
700 oral anadrol , 100 ed broken into two doses(only for 4 weeks)
(thinking about) starting TNE as a 50 pre workout shot only on days of training starting week 4 after anadrol is done, dont like to run to many compounds)
10iu of slin humalog preworkout only on workout days 4 week on 4 off
1mg of amiridex daily

next three months
1400 test prop a week shooting ed
50 a of TNE preworkout only on workout days.
1050 tren a a week, 150ED
900 eq a week.- will run longer
10 iu on slin humalog pre workout on workout days only 4 weeks on 4 weeks off
1mg of amiridex daily
(hopefully hgh if funds are there for 10 iu a day 5 on 2 off, will blast 10iu a day if i cant afford 5 on 2 off)
will run drol when i cut as drol is my favorite drug to cut on. only if liver values are ok


will stay on test and hgh (if i can afford hgh)and i get blood tests for everything monthly.

ok now tear me apart guys!

[Maulx]

Well I don't know much about cycles as intense as that, but you may want to run the EQ longer than 12 weeks. I think most agree 16 weeks a good time frame to get the full benifits of EQ. Hope that helps some.

[markdbg]

will def run the last part longer, i often change my cycle plans but i figure posting would help me keep it under control, i plan on cutting after the last three months thats why i have the drol in there, which would add probably another 10-15 weeks to it. thanks for the mention ill change that

[stpete]

Too many things wrong here. If i had the power this thread would be closed.

[markdbg]

Too many things wrong here. If i had the power this thread would be closed.

care to share? is it my cycle that ur talking about? heavyness? whats bothering u

[Knockout_Power]

Too many things wrong here. If i had the power this thread would be closed.

wow, this is the best thing Ive read in this thread...

I know tons of guys who are big into competing and they dont run that much gear and they have run several cycles for many years. This is a train wreck waiting to happen, please do not do this.

[Knockout_Power]

care to share? is it my cycle that ur talking about? heavyness? whats bothering u

cruising and blasting? If you are running 3 month cycles, thats not blasting, thats running a full cycle. And it looks like they are back to back. This is not a good way to do things.

[cro]

seems like alot .ive seen some pro bbs that have a longer list. thats nutz.

[FONZY007]

How old are you? If I'm reading right your 20 correct?

Your shouldn't be on AAS till at least 25 years old. I used AAS at a young age and now I have to be on trt for life, currently I'm 30 years old

[Dr Pepper]

Just out of interest how old are u now? And how many previous cycles have u ran? What were they?

[mattydaman88]

wow, this is the best thing Ive read in this thread...

I know tons of guys who are big into competing and they dont run that much gear and they have run several cycles for many years. This is a train wreck waiting to happen, please do not do this.

I agree Mann it's crazy

[--->>405<<---]

almost seems hard to believe.. how could anyone think that was a good idea???

[ecruz]

i wonder were this kid got the idea to run all that gear.. seriously im sitting here wondering who in the world would advocate this ridiculous plan?? the kid says he's 5'11" 230 13%bf so he does have a good bulit to start with but i think he wants to become the next huge pro BB but he thinks he can get there on just a ton of sauce... idk fellas, think his mind is made and Knowone will change his mind!

[Far from massive]

Kinda reminds me of when I was racing outlaw 10.5 and all the guys who used to show up at the races with 1000hp worth of nitrous on stock GM crate motors. Only difference was after their shit blew up, those idiots could go home and tell hero stories while they put in another crate motor and come back a month later and do it all over again.

[gymfu]

WAY too much. Your going to end up hurting yourself.

This is why steroids are illegal. If only people were smart and reasonable.

[alexISthrowed]

Do you have intentions of turning pro? Save up and hire a good trainer. You will not get the information you need off this site. To the people surprised at these doses, There are bodybuilders that would call that a mild cycle. You are way to young to be even contemplating this yet. Like I said save your money and hire a good, high level bodybuilding trainer. You do not have the maturity to make these kinds of choices at your age. Would you like to have kids someday? I would say go off, run a very aggressive pct, then try and find a good trainer that can look at you and make an honest assessment of your future in this sport then go from there. The damage you have caused may be irreversible at this point, but I would still make an attempt to recover. Very few people have the genetics to become a pro bodybuilder. For the people telling him he's too young to cycle, that ship sailed a long time ago.

[mirin_serratus]

if you seriously consider a becoming a pro in bodybuilding then go for it and don't let anyone put you down, post a pic tho

[alexISthrowed]

if you seriously consider a becoming a pro in bodybuilding then go for it and don't let anyone put you down, post a pic tho

Bad advice. Even though some people run doses that high, this is a very poor cycle. I'm sure there is much more room for this guy to grow on much much lower doses. He needs someone with the proper knowledge to help him get to that level if that's what he chooses to do with his life.

[Olly]

This is such a bad idea mate the "your too young" speech aside which you are, why the **** are you in such a rush? anybody on this forum will tell you that frankly after around 12 weeks gains start to rapidly decrease and this is something i more than agree with, but you want to cycle for 6 months! by doing this cycle your looking at a pct from HELL (im not sure if youve experienced it but two months of manic depression while you watch your muscle melt off you is no joke believe me i know), probably permanent damage to your ability to naturally produce testosterone and not to mention a massive waste of gear!

im only a few years older than you so im not going to tell you not to cycle, but please please please listen to these guys and do it right! a couple of tren /test cycles a year with time on=time off and proper pct and you´ll be one of the biggest most shredded looking mother****ers around in no time and life will be peachy. Be patient fella! and merry ****ing christmas!

[dec11]

if you seriously consider a becoming a pro in bodybuilding then go for it and don't let anyone put you down, post a pic tho

there is always one.....

[dec11]

horrendous cycle, if you can even call it that. to me that is called 'staying on'.

and dont let the uneducated in this thread sway you to thinking its a good idea

[Swifto]

Big cycle and I dont think your stats warrant it. What have you been blasting and cruising (doses, compounds, durations)?

Where is the HCG ?

I'd swap the Arimidex for Aromasin . Caber + Tamox on hand.

I also think you'de be better doing 3 months, coming down again for 4-5 weeks on 250-500mg/wk Test, then ramping again, repeat.

Longer high doses cycles dont work well IMHO, I've tried staying on then ramping and the gains are not the same as lowering a fair bit, then ramping up. Receptors, myostatin, SHBG and other growth factors, tolerance, AR co-repressors and activators (or lack of) contribute to a slow of gains.

[Markosterone]

It's a heavy cycle. But it's not the first time I see cycles like this.
Have you done similar cycles in the past ?

I would drop the EQ, I'm not a big fan of it.

Not a cycle I would recommend the average joe...

[alexISthrowed]

Big cycle and I dont think your stats warrant it. What have you been blasting and cruising (doses, compounds, durations)?

Where is the HCG ?

I'd swap the Arimidex for Aromasin . Caber + Tamox on hand.

I also think you'de be better doing 3 months, coming down again for 4-5 weeks on 250-500mg/wk Test, then ramping again, repeat.

Longer high doses cycles dont work well IMHO, I've tried staying on then ramping and the gains are not the same as lowering a fair bit, then ramping up. Receptors, myostatin, SHBG and other growth factors, tolerance, AR co-repressors and activators (or lack of) contribute to a slow of gains.

Good advice right here.

[songdog]

IMOP you are to young.But I like most of these other guys no nothing of cycles like this.But unlike them I wont try to advise you on it other than you are running down a dangerous road.You can really mess up your body.Good luck bro.

[markdbg]

This is not a huge jump in doses for me. My last 4-5 cycles were on a gram of test and 75 and 100 tren Ed. Last one was a gram test 600 deca 700 tren a week. One before that was 1gram test 700tren 525 winni a weak. Only different is running anadrol and insulin for first time. Last cycles were fine for all side effects except for insomnia. I may change it and break up the two parts into two cycles and cruise at 200-250 test in between. I do want to be a pro. But i highly doubt I have the genetics or genetic response to hormones to become one tho it won't stop me
From doing what i love.

And to Alex. I think personal trainers and "garus" are huge waist of money. No one knows ur body like you. Once u figure out what works for you go with it. Not to say i don't use training partners. I use a training partner every workout,even when ur at failure u still have someone to help u with the negative reps at the end of every set

To markosterone, na I'm def keeping eq in. I love what eq does for me. Ran a few without and or added different compounds. I like having sum eq in.

Swifto- thanks for the advice I may cruise between first and second part. We will see how it's going. And I never use hcg . I never use Pcts anymore when i do come off. I Recover just aswell without pct as I do with pct. But I should take sum hcg I know.

[alexISthrowed]

This is not a huge jump in doses for me. My last 4-5 cycles were on a gram of test and 75 and 100 tren Ed. Last one was a gram test 600 deca 700 tren a week. One before that was 1gram test 700tren 525 winni a weak. Only different is running anadrol and insulin for first time. Last cycles were fine for all side effects except for insomnia. I may change it and break up the two parts into two cycles and cruise at 200-250 test in between. I do want to be a pro. But i highly doubt I have the genetics or genetic response to hormones to become one tho it won't stop me
From doing what i love.

And to Alex. I think personal trainers and "garus" are huge waist of money. No one knows ur body like you. Once u figure out what works for you go with it. Not to say i don't use training partners. I use a training partner every workout,even when ur at failure u still have someone to help u with the negative reps at the end of every set

To markosterone, na I'm def keeping eq in. I love what eq does for me. Ran a few without and or added different compounds. I like having sum eq in.

Swifto- thanks for the advice I may cruise between first and second part. We will see how it's going. And I never use hcg. I never use Pcts anymore when i do come off. I Recover just aswell without pct as I do with pct. But I should take sum hcg I know.

If you don't think you have what it takes to be pro then why would you do this to yourself? You can still do what you love and cycle safely.

[markdbg]

If you don't think you have what it takes to be pro then why would you do this to yourself? You can still do what you love and cycle safely.

im not a person that backs down from a challange or odds just cause the favors against me, i wanna become pro, i will try.

[Mr Tick]

Just a thought but if ur body does not respond well to those massive cycles it makes me question ur diet and the old saying "less is more".

As far as advise on the cycle I can't give any other than to put ur diet up in that section and make sure ur getting ur macros in every day.

[alexISthrowed]

im not a person that backs down from a challange or odds just cause the favors against me, i wanna become pro, i will try.

A lot of guys go down that road. It's a mistake man. If you thought you had the genetics to become a successful pro I would totally understand. I'm your age and run some fairly heavy cycles under the supervision of a moderator on this board. I too would like to become a pro someday and may very well start blasting and cruising in the future. Is that a choice I think I have the maturity to make at my age? absolutely not. I am very passionate about bodybuilding just like you but I am 20 years old. I may meet someone down the road, start a family and give this all up or at least tone it down a bit. I have no intentions of ever giving this up but I'm young and shit happens. I just don't think that's a choice you want to make so young especially considering you don't think you have the genetics for it. I grew up around competitive bodybuilding and I think I have a far better understanding of how hard it is to go pro and to make as a pro than you do. I'm not bashing you man, I know what it's like. Just my 2 cents.

[DIESELPWR]

I am wondering why u would be using insulin pre work out? Especially for your first time. It could be very dangerous to take it pre workout and you could very easily go hypogly***ic.. I suggest keeping many simple sugars on hand.. I only take insulin post workout, it's much easier to monitor that way.. I don't think you are ready for slin or such a crazy cycle yet, but to each their own.. Read up on insulin better if you insist.. Read the insulin explained thread

[Swifto]

If you cant win a local show, or place in the top 3 on those doses, forget bodybuilding. You dony have the genetics for it and detroying your health for a poxy plastic trophy isnt something I'd advise.

Some would say national show on those doses, not local.

[Swifto]

Post your diet here please.

[alexISthrowed]

I am wondering why u would be using insulin pre work out? Especially for your first time. It could be very dangerous to take it pre workout and you could very easily go hypogly***ic.. I suggest keeping many simple sugars on hand.. I only take insulin post workout, it's much easier to monitor that way.. I don't think you are ready for slin or such a crazy cycle yet, but to each their own.. Read up on insulin better if you insist.. Read the insulin explained thread

I use slin pre-workout. You are forcing carbs and nutrients into your muscles pre, intra, and post workout. Most people are using it pre workout these days. Pm me if you want some good info on it.

If you cant win a local show, or place in the top 3 on those doses, forget bodybuilding. You dony have the genetics for it and detroying your health for a poxy plastic trophy isnt something I'd advise.

Some would say national show on those doses, not local.

I agree with this. Bodybuilding can still be done safely and you can still have fun well using aas responsibly.

[Hazard]

Much of what needed to be said has been said.....

My only argument with the EQ other than the fact that it doesn't do shit is it still increases RBC's..... it's actually the ONE thing it's good for. Now.... if you're going to be on a gram of test - 700 tren - 100mg's adrol ed (which is also great at increasing rbc's) - then your hematocrit ought to be high to begin with. Then you want to up the dose of everything listed AND add EQ.....

Just seems like your setting yourself up for hospitalization all over a compound that you wont even notice with 1400mg test and 1000+mg of tren.

~Haz~

[NewMuscle83]

Pro bodybuilding nowadays is mostly about how much gh you can afford. If I were you I'd cut some if those doses a bit and spend the money on more gh. Hold off on the slin till later.

Jmo. I'm no where near an expert.

[alexISthrowed]

Pro bodybuilding nowadays is mostly about how much gh you can afford. If I were you I'd cut some if those doses a bit and spend the money on more gh. Hold off on the slin till later.

Jmo. I'm no where near an expert.

So much more comes into play than that. Slin, aas, seo, gh, igf-1, t3, metformin, possibly folli, and who know's what else. There are a lot of pieces to the puzzle.

[Hazard]

So much more comes into play than that. Slin, aas, seo, gh, igf-1, t3, metformin, possibly folli, and who know's what else. There are a lot of pieces to the puzzle.

Just wait till stem cells hit the black market..... I work with them in my profession and also sell them. No I can't sell em underground as it's all tracked and monitored but these cells have the ability to transform into ANY type of cell it comes in contact with. Now imagine injecting these intra-muscularly.....

I asked my boss about it being possible and his response was "you're no longer incharge of selling these....." LMFAO!

~Haz~

[Mr Tick]

Just wait till stem cells hit the black market..... I work with them in my profession and also sell them. No I can't sell em underground as it's all tracked and monitored but these cells have the ability to transform into ANY type of cell it comes in contact with. Now imagine injecting these intra-muscularly.....

I asked my boss about it being possible and his response was "you're no longer incharge of selling these....." LMFAO!

~Haz~

Lol. Very very interesting topic right there Haz!!

[alexISthrowed]

Just wait till stem cells hit the black market..... I work with them in my profession and also sell them. No I can't sell em underground as it's all tracked and monitored but these cells have the ability to transform into ANY type of cell it comes in contact with. Now imagine injecting these intra-muscularly.....

I asked my boss about it being possible and his response was "you're no longer incharge of selling these....." LMFAO!

~Haz~

I missed this post! That a long with manipulating myostatin is going to be the end of bodybuilding. I am hoping with phil heath's olympia win we will see a shift back to a more aesthetic look. For bodybuilding to ever return to it's former glory they would need to start awarding more universally pleasing physiques and not just mass monsters only a bodybuilder could love. That being said if we can work out something under the table with some of these stem cell's, I have a show coming up pretty soon.