First clenbuterol cycle, am i doing it right?

**TooTall** · 12-28-2011, 12:52 PM

Back story:
Started lifting in late october, went on a a bulk from 91kg to 105kg(today). Haven't gained too much bf I was at 17% when started and I am at about 20%(yes gut). Now I am planning my cut. Planning to start on Jan 2.

The regime:
I will be on strict CKD diet all the time(no point of getting into details). Supps will be whey, multi, zma, pottasium.(cant find taurine supps, If I will get cramps I will drink energy drinks, with no sugar)
2 weeks of this
Day 1 60mcg
Day 2 60mcg
Day 3 60mcg
Day 4 80mcg
Day 5 80mcg
Day 6 80mcg
Day 7 100mcg
Day 8 100mcg
Day 9 100mcg
Day 10 120mcg
Day 11 120mcg
Day 12 80 mcg
Day 13 80 mcg
Day 14 60 mcg
Then 2 weeks of 40 minute cardio post workout, while I am not on clen(because I can't get ketoitifen)
then repeat for 3 months total.
The goal:
below 10% bf, or until I am satisfied with my definition

Any advice?

**DesPr8** · 12-28-2011, 01:28 PM

From what some have told me there's no need to tapper your dosage and you can stay at 140 maybe 160mcg+
I've read some people have taken 240mcg but they admitted that their clen was a low grade.
Also you should run it for 6 weeks 2on, 2off & 2on. Drink a lot of water, taurine you can get at any gnc and also take potassium or eat 2 bananas for the cramps.

A good dose you'll get shakey but if its to much go down 20mcg then try again the next day

There tons of info on Clen just use the search option.
GL

**Bulkn** · 12-28-2011, 05:38 PM

If your clen is good, 60 is a bit high to start on.
You dont need a set plan, i just go by the feel of things..
Another thing i like is to take the morning dose then another dose in the afternoon which is half of the morning dose. ie 60mcg morning then 30mcg afternoon.

**Swifto** · 12-28-2011, 05:41 PM

Oh dear.

**slfmade** · 12-28-2011, 07:25 PM

Just curious what the "Oh dear" comment was in reference to swifto.

**JohnnyVegas** · 12-28-2011, 08:19 PM

I started typing and typing...and then decided to keep it short.

My personal experience is that it is better to just diet and be faithful to cardio. Clen makes a lot of people feel like crap and it is no miracle worker.

**Bulkn** · 12-28-2011, 08:36 PM

Originally Posted by JohnnyVegas

I started typing and typing...and then decided to keep it short.

My personal experience is that it is better to just diet and be faithful to cardio. Clen makes a lot of people feel like crap and it is no miracle worker.

Agreed. Diet and cardio is best, once you got that down then start thinking about clen but dont expect too much from it.

**slfmade** · 12-28-2011, 09:29 PM

I both agree and disagree with the posts above. I did a clen/T3 stack years ago. I was happy with the results it gave me, and besides the headaches I had no problems with it. It didn't make me feel like crap, but then again I've always kinda liked the jittery feeling that stims give me. However, when I ran the clen I was pairing it with the T3 so I can't say for sure what fat loss amount was attributed to the clen and what was attributed to the T3. Most importantly when I ran this my starting BF% was at 14 not like the OP's 20%.

That being said....THE SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR IN FAT LOSS IS DIET AND CARDIO!!!! If your diet isn't spot on and if you're not properly training (cardio) it won't matter what you take. You're not going to lose weight. Clen isn't Gastric Bypass. Everyone thinks it's some miracle drug, and it's not. I STRONGLY believe that the only people that are gonna see benefits from it are people already under 15% BF that have their diet and training in check.

AND.....if you're wondering. I DO practice what I preach. I'm currently at 15% BF, and I don't plan on running clen until I'm at least 12% because I honestly think it would be a waste of money.

So I'll say again. I both agree and disagree with what others have said. I agree that taking clen right now would be a foolish waste of money. However, I disagree that it's effective or that the sides are hard to handle (the latter being dependent on the individual) if taken at a lower BF% with a solid diet and training.

**K-aos** · 12-28-2011, 10:15 PM

the dosages tho for men is between 60-160 mcg per day. but this is how i would do it bro.

Days 1-3
40 mcg
Days 4-6
80 mcg
Days 7-9
120 mcg
Days 10-12
160 mcg
Days 13-15
120 mcg
Days 16-18
80 mcg
Days 19-21
40 mcg

OFF- 3 weeks, then repeat.

I lost from 236 lbs to 190 lbs. went from around 20% body fat, to around 8%. and that's really impressive. i come from an overweight family. so living proof here bub

that's with cadio, and low carb diet.

**slfmade** · 12-28-2011, 10:26 PM

OP...I can promise you that 99% of the weight the above member lost was from Diet and Cardio...NOT CLEN!!!!! Just sayin.

**DesPr8** · 12-28-2011, 10:35 PM

I popped a pill just to try it out and personally the jitteriness is great since ive always took jack3d, caffeine and other crap.
And note I have trouble breathing being a long term ex smoker, this stuff opened my lungs and gave me the extra something while running.

All i'm saying is read more and decide on it yourself. Dont wait for somebody else to tell u ur cycle.
You know your body and if you get all your facts you'll figure it out.

**TooTall** · 12-28-2011, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by K-aos

the dosages tho for men is between 60-160 mcg per day. but this is how i would do it bro.

Days 1-3
40 mcg
Days 4-6
80 mcg
Days 7-9
120 mcg
Days 10-12
160 mcg
Days 13-15
120 mcg
Days 16-18
80 mcg
Days 19-21
40 mcg

OFF- 3 weeks, then repeat.

I lost from 236 lbs to 190 lbs. went from around 20% body fat, to around 8%. and that's really impressive. i come from an overweight family. so living proof here bub

that's with cadio, and low carb diet.

I guess I'm gonna try this. Does 40 minutes of low intensity cardio post workout sound enough to you?

**K-aos** · 12-28-2011, 11:01 PM

lol, every post, you have a reply to it. just love people like you LOL.

Originally Posted by slfmade

OP...I can promise you that 99% of the weight the above member lost was from Diet and Cardio...NOT CLEN!!!!! Just sayin.

**K-aos** · 12-28-2011, 11:03 PM

Diet, does play an important role in "losing weight". Just drop your carbs down. Use the clen, and the weight will melt off. and yes, sounds good to me bro. just watch your heart rate. Clen does give you jitters. it would always up my body temperature, it felt like a good 10 degrees, really. so just watch, not a drug to mess with bro. goodluck!

Originally Posted by TooTall

I guess I'm gonna try this. Does 40 minutes of low intensity cardio post workout sound enough to you?

**slfmade** · 12-28-2011, 11:06 PM

Originally Posted by TooTall

I guess I'm gonna try this. Does 40 minutes of low intensity cardio post workout sound enough to you?

Most would advise you to do 20min HIIT post workout. IMO if you want to do low intensity it would be best to do 45-60 min fasted cardio in the morning. I do Low intensity fasted cardio 3 days a week, and 2 days HIIT post workout on alternating days. But again...that's just my opinion.

Oh and you're still wasting your money with the clen.

**slfmade** · 12-28-2011, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by K-aos

lol, every post, you have a reply to it. just love people like you LOL.

and your problem with this is..............................

**K-aos** · 12-28-2011, 11:10 PM

lol, you need to hit a HIIT yes. but dont kill urself. low intensity cardio after workout will burn fat off as well. The clen will make a huge difference. Plus, you will be dieting. and training, which burns fat. So, HIIT is good, but low intensity cardio is good as well. my opinion

AND CLEN IS NOT A WASTE OF MONEY. slfmade, has no idea what hes taking about when he says "waste of money" lol moron.

**K-aos** · 12-28-2011, 11:11 PM

um, your annoying. LOL

Originally Posted by slfmade

and your problem with this is..............................

**TooTall** · 12-28-2011, 11:13 PM

Originally Posted by slfmade

Most would advise you to do 20min HIIT post workout. IMO if you want to do low intensity it would be best to do 45-60 min fasted cardio in the morning. I do Low intensity fasted cardio 3 days a week, and 2 days HIIT post workout on alternating days. But again...that's just my opinion.

I'm a newb but I know that Clen and High Intensity training is a bad combo. I will stick to 40 minutes post workout.
Thanks for the input guys. This thread can be closed now.

**slfmade** · 12-28-2011, 11:20 PM

Originally Posted by K-aos

um, your annoying. LOL

I'll tell you what sport......nah, I'm not gonna let you drag me into a flame.

I look forward to seeing more of your priceless advice. And I'll look forward to seeing how your "liquid clear" cycle goes.

To the OP. Do yourself a favor and READ READ READ. Don't take my advice....Listen to what the vets have to say. Maybe one of them will pop in shortly, in the mean time research post workout cardio and suggested clen.

**K-aos** · 12-28-2011, 11:20 PM

here's how its played out. weight: 236 bulky bulky, TOOK clen, with diet & exercise lost down to 190. 1R Max before clen, for bench press was 435 lbs. Lost to 190, went from 20% bf, to 8% with abdomimals. strength dropped and muscle mass dropped obviously. but went off, and was repping 315 for 4-5 reps, but i've keep training for close to a years time now maybe a little shorter.. . Im now 202-205 lbs with same BF% that i GOT FROM CLEN. Bench press 405 for 3 reps, 415 for 2, and max 465 for 1 rep. so it wasnt hard, for strength and size to come back at all.

**slfmade** · 12-28-2011, 11:22 PM

Originally Posted by TooTall

I'm a newb but I know that Clen and High Intensity training is a bad combo. I will stick to 40 minutes post workout.
Thanks for the input guys. This thread can be closed now.

I wan't saying that HIIT and clen would be good together. I was saying clen is a bad idea and waste of money at your current bodyfat, and INSTEAD of doing clen, you should either run HIIT post workout or Low intensity fasted.

**K-aos** · 12-28-2011, 11:22 PM

lol, even tootall. disagrees with you, moron. and was i saying i was gonna start a cycle? no dipshit. READ READ READ

you dont like my post, dont read em.

y

Originally Posted by slfmade

I'll tell you what sport......nah, I'm not gonna let you drag me into a flame.

I look forward to seeing more of your priceless advice. And I'll look forward to seeing how your "liquid clear" cycle goes.

To the OP. Do yourself a favor and READ READ READ. Don't take my advice....Listen to what the vets have to say. Maybe one of them will pop in shortly, in the mean time research post workout cardio and suggested clen.

**slfmade** · 12-28-2011, 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by K-aos

lol, you need to hit a HIIT yes. but dont kill urself. low intensity cardio after workout will burn fat off as well. The clen will make a huge difference. Plus, you will be dieting. and training, which burns fat. So, HIIT is good, but low intensity cardio is good as well. my opinion

AND CLEN IS NOT A WASTE OF MONEY. slfmade, has no idea what hes taking about when he says "waste of money" lol moron.

You're not gonna last around here very long

**K-aos** · 12-28-2011, 11:24 PM

i mean, theres no reason to pick a fight with me. you have your opinions, i have mine. i have proof clen works. so ill recommend it to someone.

**jimmyinkedup** · 12-28-2011, 11:25 PM

Originally Posted by K-aos

um, your annoying. LOL

Not a good way to make an impression...
Please keep your posts on topic.
If you diagree with someones comment - feel free to discuss it without personal insults..
Thank you....

**K-aos** · 12-28-2011, 11:25 PM

oh gosh, what are you gonna do report me lol. your tough.

Originally Posted by slfmade

You're not gonna last around here very long

**slfmade** · 12-28-2011, 11:26 PM

Originally Posted by K-aos

here's how its played out. weight: 236 bulky bulky, TOOK clen, with diet & exercise lost down to 190. 1R Max before clen, for bench press was 435 lbs. Lost to 190, went from 20% bf, to 8% with abdomimals. strength dropped and muscle mass dropped obviously. but went off, and was repping 315 for 4-5 reps, but i've keep training for close to a years time now maybe a little shorter.. . Im now 202-205 lbs with same BF% that i GOT FROM CLEN. Bench press 405 for 3 reps, 415 for 2, and max 465 for 1 rep. so it wasnt hard, for strength and size to come back at all.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me how you know that your "gains" were from CLEN and not diet and cardio alone? You know what...Nevermind. I'm out!!!! Reply all you want. This is getting too stupid for me.

**K-aos** · 12-28-2011, 11:27 PM

he doesn't need to try and pick an argument with me lol. and i wont. i have my opinions, he has his. no reason for him to basically say "hey im right, and your wrong".

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

Not a good way to make an impression...
Please keep your posts on topic.
If you diagree with someones comment - feel free to discuss it without personal insults..
Thank you....

**K-aos** · 12-28-2011, 11:28 PM

Chemical Name: Clenbuterol Hydrochloride
Drug Class: Lipolytic (fat burner) <- there a hint

Clenbuterol (often called just “Clen”) is used by athletes and bodybuilders for it’s ability as a beta-2 agonist. It therefore stimulates your beta-2 receptors, which in turn help you to lose fat by allowing your body to release and burn more stored fat.

i mean? what else. did clen alone make me lose that much? no diet and cardio played a big part. which is exactly what i told him

Originally Posted by slfmade

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me how you know that your "gains" were from CLEN and not diet and cardio alone? You know what...Nevermind. I'm out!!!! Reply all you want. This is getting too stupid for me.

**jimmyinkedup** · 12-28-2011, 11:42 PM

Originally Posted by K-aos

lol, even tootall. disagrees with you, moron. and was i saying i was gonna start a cycle? no dipshit. READ READ READ

you dont like my post, dont read em.

y

The insults need to stop.....now.....

**jimmyinkedup** · 12-28-2011, 11:47 PM

Originally Posted by K-aos

he doesn't need to try and pick an argument with me lol. and i wont. i have my opinions, he has his. no reason for him to basically say "hey im right, and your wrong".

and you both are free to express them...WITHOUT personal insults....
My post wasnt meant for interpretation or discussion...
Thank you...

**jimmyinkedup** · 12-29-2011, 12:14 AM

A couple points/question to consider/discuss re: clen :
If it is common that people have adverse reactions too it - why would it be recommended that one start off at 40mcg/day and within a week be up to 120 ?

If the main liniting factor in clens effectiveness is tolerance - why the hell would one pyramid the dosages ?

Why would one have a set clen cycle? Especially your first. Wouldnt it be best to start as low as possible and only up the dose when that isnt working? Do this for say 2 weeks - then take 2 weeks off ?

Discuss....

**Swifto** · 12-29-2011, 05:05 AM

You've been warned K-aos, keep up the flaming and your gone.

**K-aos** · 12-29-2011, 06:04 AM

get on the internet, ask people. thats how i've always learned how to do it. 3 weeks on, 3 weeks off. all im saying is IT WORKED FOR ME. end of convo. now i'm sick of arguing. especially since it's me getting jumped on. and noone else.

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

A couple points/question to consider/discuss re: clen :
If it is common that people have adverse reactions too it - why would it be recommended that one start off at 40mcg/day and within a week be up to 120 ?

If the main liniting factor in clens effectiveness is tolerance - why the hell would one pyramid the dosages ?

Why would one have a set clen cycle? Especially your first. Wouldnt it be best to start as low as possible and only up the dose when that isnt working? Do this for say 2 weeks - then take 2 weeks off ?

Discuss....

**K-aos** · 12-29-2011, 06:05 AM

honestly, if the people dont stop running there mouth, you dont have to worry about reporting, or whatever. ill be gone myself. As soon as i started an account. i get picked at. i'm trying to help a person out. BECAUSE HE ASKED ME FOR ADVICE. so i was letting him know, what i did. and i dont need whoever telling me "well it wasnt because clen" ? like seriously lol. get real. i will say I apologize about my insults. but, i dont need to be the only one being jumped on. he started, he picked first.

Originally Posted by Swifto

You've been warned K-aos, keep up the flaming and your gone.

**K-aos** · 12-29-2011, 06:10 AM

i think EVERYONE has heard this quote

if you have nothing nice to say, dont say anything at all

if he doesnt like my post, dont reply and start an argument. its that simple.

**Swifto** · 12-29-2011, 06:54 AM

Originally Posted by K-aos

honestly, if the people dont stop running there mouth, you dont have to worry about reporting, or whatever. ill be gone myself. As soon as i started an account. i get picked at. i'm trying to help a person out. BECAUSE HE ASKED ME FOR ADVICE. so i was letting him know, what i did. and i dont need whoever telling me "well it wasnt because clen" ? like seriously lol. get real. i will say I apologize about my insults. but, i dont need to be the only one being jumped on. he started, he picked first.

You've manaeged to break 2 Rules today by the way.

Flaming

Offering AAS.

Go read the RULES kiddo.

**jpowell** · 12-29-2011, 07:51 AM

sorry found answer

**K-aos** · 12-29-2011, 12:19 PM

how was i offering AAS lol? i told him how to run it?

Originally Posted by Swifto

You've manaeged to break 2 Rules today by the way.

Flaming

Offering AAS.

Go read the RULES kiddo.

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