Need help with stack

**razorback06** · 12-29-2011, 10:02 PM

I am 23 about 310 and 6'1... I just bought some test, some primo, some T3, clen and anavar . the guy that sold the stuff to me said it was exactly what i needed, but is it? I'm trying to slim down for summer but add a little muscle mass to my arms. I was wondering if all of this stuff was alright to stack together and how I should take it. I have all of the tools just don't know how to use them. I just don't want to guess and start injecting stuff that is gonna kill me ya know. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

**razorback06** · 12-29-2011, 10:04 PM

and I get drug tested randomly for my job, will any of this show up?

**testfeind123** · 12-29-2011, 10:06 PM

doesnt really sound like you know what your doin..put all that in yur closet and leave them there for a a while after you have done more reasearch..yu cant expect people to do all the work for yu..you have to learn how to consruct your own cycle once yu think yuve got it down post it up and then people will be glad to help you

**marcus300** · 12-29-2011, 10:06 PM

How long have you been training?
What is your bf?
Is this your first cycle?

**razorback06** · 12-29-2011, 10:16 PM

I did some tren and clen back in my high school football days but thats been a few years ago. I haven't been training at all lately except for the extremely phyisical job i have. I'm 310 but I'm not like real fat I still wear a 38 jeans... my shoulders are like 3 ft wide. I bought all of this stuff with the intentions of getting back in the gym and getting ready for spring break. I work like 16 hours a day so I cant spend 3-4 hours a day training like some people but I will every day. I understand a lot of my weight loss is going to come from cardio and proper diet but I just spent all of this money on this stuff and bought if from someone who is a regular user and looks exceptional, but he didn't give me very good instructions and he went from tiny to huge and im wanting to go from huge to cut

**testfeind123** · 12-29-2011, 10:21 PM

dude..aas is not the way to go right now..only time you shud consider juicin is when your body has reached its potential naturally..are you even familiar with what a pct is? i dont mean to sound like an asshole jus tryin to help man

**The Bear 79** · 12-29-2011, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by razorback06

I did some tren and clen back in my high school football days but thats been a few years ago. I haven't been training at all lately except for the extremely phyisical job i have. I'm 310 but I'm not like real fat I still wear a 38 jeans... my shoulders are like 3 ft wide. I bought all of this stuff with the intentions of getting back in the gym and getting ready for spring break. I work like 16 hours a day so I cant spend 3-4 hours a day training like some people but I will every day. I understand a lot of my weight loss is going to come from cardio and proper diet but I just spent all of this money on this stuff and bought if from someone who is a regular user and looks exceptional, but he didn't give me very good instructions and he went from tiny to huge and im wanting to go from huge to cut

So I'm assuming about 30% + BF?

**razorback06** · 12-29-2011, 10:25 PM

no i have no clue. i just need something to get me to where i want quicker. i hate to know i bought all of this and can't use it, plus like i said i don't have all of the time in the world to workout

**razorback06** · 12-29-2011, 10:26 PM

yeah i would guess somewhere in that area?

**The Bear 79** · 12-29-2011, 10:27 PM

Well if u cycle with excessive BF, there is significantly greater risk of heart attack due 2 hi BP.

**The Bear 79** · 12-29-2011, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by razorback06

no i have no clue. i just need something to get me to where i want quicker. i hate to know i bought all of this and can't use it, plus like i said i don't have all of the time in the world to workout

Marcus can take better care of u than any of us here at the moment. Y dont u acknowledge his questions & let him help u bro.

**Maulx** · 12-29-2011, 10:30 PM

And if you "don't have all the time in the world to workout" it doesn't sound like you give a $hit about doing it right and think drugs are the answer. Save all of it and re-think your lifestyle, along with the idea to ever use AAS.

**testfeind123** · 12-29-2011, 10:33 PM

pct (post cycle therapy ) once your are done with a aas cycle your body gets "shut down" because your body will be fighting to regulate itself..if not done properly none of your gains will not solidify and the sides are a bitch not to mention the unknown long term side effects..save the gear my friend or sell it to someone else and get back in shape..in the mean time do tons of research..theres a whole bunch on this as well as others

**testfeind123** · 12-29-2011, 10:38 PM

yea yu basically jus said your looking for a shortcut..no shortcuts in life and taking steroids is not the answer right now..dont get down though!! if yu nail the diet and training part yu would be amazed at the result yud see just being natural,it takes disipline

**razorback06** · 12-29-2011, 10:43 PM

well I work in the oil field, I go to work at 4 in the morning and get off around 8-9 at night. when you bust your ass all day long you don't wanna go run for an hour and lift for another hour. trust me i would love to re-evaluate my lifestyle and get a 9 to 5 M-F like most everyone else but making over 6 figures a year is hard to give up when I have a new truck and a Mastercraft X45 to pay for... I just want to look good to get out on my boat and have a good time... having a gut kinda ruins the fun for me when most of my friends are in great shape, but then again they have time to be.

**razorback06** · 12-29-2011, 10:44 PM

this is my first cycle recently, I'm guessing I have 25-30% bf and I havent trained in a couple years, I tore my rotator cuff playing college ball so I quit training everyday and got fat.

**testfeind123** · 12-29-2011, 10:47 PM

diet is the key..point blank.steroids arent going to make yu loose weight faster..

**The Bear 79** · 12-29-2011, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by razorback06

well I work in the oil field, I go to work at 4 in the morning and get off around 8-9 at night. when you bust your ass all day long you don't wanna go run for an hour and lift for another hour. trust me i would love to re-evaluate my lifestyle and get a 9 to 5 M-F like most everyone else but making over 6 figures a year is hard to give up when I have a new truck and a Mastercraft X45 to pay for... I just want to look good to get out on my boat and have a good time... having a gut kinda ruins the fun for me when most of my friends are in great shape, but then again they have time to be.

So wut was ur plan? Just inject the gear & not workout cuz u dont hav time?

**razorback06** · 12-29-2011, 10:58 PM

No not at all, I plan on working out I just would like to know how to use the products before I start.... I spend all day everyday lifting so strength is not an issue to me. I am going to be doing a lot of cardio in my off time I know thats where my fat loss will come from. The cat that recommended this stuff said I needed clen T3 and primo to cut down, but he said I would lose lean muscle which I don't want to do so he said take test and anavar . This guy was in top notch physique and I have known him forever but he has never had to do what I am wanting to so I was just needing opinions from others as to if I have the right tools for the job or not. Friends giving you advice is one thing but someone that doesn't know you for shit will usually shoot you the truth. My wife is a nurse so she will be doing all of my injecting, she doesn't approve of what I'm doing but I'm hard headed so she's just going to live with it I was just really needing to know the proper doses of this stuff and I need some reassurance that mixing all of this isn't gonna cause some crazy chemical reaction that explodes my brain or stops my heart

**razorback06** · 12-29-2011, 11:00 PM

the only reason i even went back down this route is because the last time i did a clen cycle i didn't even diet i just worked out everyday like normal and i lost so much fat over the course of my cycle it looked like i was on crack so i wanted to get on it again, but the last time i did drops and this time its injectable. and the dude i got them from started telling me all of this other stuff i just had to have

**testfeind123** · 12-29-2011, 11:03 PM

you are very hard headed!! gear is not the right set of tools for you..if your at 30% bf there is no way you will be able to handle the discipline of doing a cycle..or at least a successfull one..why are you so set on this..its not what you need..and you dont know what your doing at all

**The Bear 79** · 12-29-2011, 11:04 PM

Originally Posted by razorback06

No not at all, I plan on working out I just would like to know how to use the products before I start.... I spend all day everyday lifting so strength is not an issue to me. I am going to be doing a lot of cardio in my off time I know thats where my fat loss will come from. The cat that recommended this stuff said I needed clen T3 and primo to cut down, but he said I would lose lean muscle which I don't want to do so he said take test and anavar . This guy was in top notch physique and I have known him forever but he has never had to do what I am wanting to so I was just needing opinions from others as to if I have the right tools for the job or not. Friends giving you advice is one thing but someone that doesn't know you for shit will usually shoot you the truth. My wife is a nurse so she will be doing all of my injecting, she doesn't approve of what I'm doing but I'm hard headed so she's just going to live with it I was just really needing to know the proper doses of this stuff and I need some reassurance that mixing all of this isn't gonna cause some crazy chemical reaction that explodes my brain or stops my heart

Refer to post #10. People with excessive BF, usually hav hi BP, & AAS raises ur BP also. Shark infested waters brother...................

**marcus300** · 12-29-2011, 11:05 PM

First thing don't take steriods at your bf, they will increase the risk of side effects. You also need to start training and implementing a cardio program, this needs establishing for many months or even yrs at your bf before steriods are involved. You also need to sort your diet out and start eating correctly.

There is no quick solution to your goals, except hardwork,motivation and commitment.

**razorback06** · 12-29-2011, 11:10 PM

Well fellas I appreciate it! That's why I had to start a thread I had to get some outside input. Do you think running the Clen and T3 in a lighter dose to get me started would be a bad idea or should I just stash it all back for now?