First Cycle,, i need advise thanks

[akgalicha]

Hi i'm not started taking cycle yet... i need some advise regarding dosage..
i want to take oral steroid for my test..

my stats is:

Height : 5'5
Weight : 98lbs ( i'm underweight )
23 yrs old

it is ok to take 20 mgs/day of diabol?

thanks!

[Awesome_Archy]

Don't know much about oral test, but try Searching for a post called "Cycles for the Newbie" might answer some of your questions.

[testfeind123]

you need to eat a lot..i hope that weight is typed wrong or something cuz thats insane dude..5'5" at 98lbs..you shouldnt be looking into steroids ..yu need to go eat big big big...dbol shouldnt be taken alone anyways

[Maulx]

Dude at 98 lbs please don't cycle.... Eat like a horse and put on as much mass as possible. Try to gain both muscle and fat because that seems dangerously skinny. And a first cycle should be test only, but only when you get a decent base to start with.

[alexISthrowed]

You are a long ways a way from using aas. You need to get your diet and training in check first, then train naturally for another two years. Dbol is not oral test, and a dbol only cycle is a terrible route to take. Go to the diet and training section and start researching. Drugs are not the answer to your problems. If you can not put on weight naturally, steroids are not going to help you.

[The Bear 79]

Hi i'm not started taking cycle yet... i need some advise regarding dosage..
i want to take oral steroid for my test..

my stats is:

Height : 5'5
Weight : 98lbs ( i'm underweight )
23 yrs old

it is ok to take 20 mgs/day of diabol?

thanks!

Ur stats indicate ur diet & possibly ur training r insufficient. Also, cycling @ ur age significantly increases the risk of doing potentially irreversible damage 2 ur undeveloped Endocrine & HPTA. Lets hav a look @ ur daily intake & ur training routine so we can make the changes needed 2 put some serious mass on u bro.

[The Bear 79]

Dude at 98 lbs please don't cycle.... Eat like a horse and put on as much mass as possible. Try to gain both muscle and fat because that seems dangerously skinny. And a first cycle should be test only, but only when you get a decent base to start with.

No point in telling them not 2 cycle if ur just gona giv them cycle advice in the same sentence, they r mor likely 2 ignore the caution & just run with the cycle advice u gav.

[Awesome_Archy]

Don't know much about oral test, but try Searching for a post called "Cycles for the Newbie" might answer some of your questions.

Wow i automatically read it to be 198 instead of 98.

[The Bear 79]

Wow i automatically read it to be 198 instead of 98.

Even @ 198 lbs. he's still only 23, we try 2 detour users under 25 yrs old, due 2 the increased risk of damaging their undeveloped Endo. / HPTA.

[Maulx]

True I guess, just figure if they are decided on it they will anyway so hopefully I can help them to do the least amount of damage as possible. People are stubborn but I don't want anyone messing themselves up too badly.

[akgalicha]

thanks everyone for a very fast response!!!
im eating 4 times a day, and working out for almost 8months 3-4 times a week... i only gain 5lbs i think ,


**my dad is 5'10 and he's only 120lbs ..

[stpete]

Steroids aren't the answer, a good diet is. And your proposed cycle is a waste. You'd be doing yourself a big favor to learn how to eat correctly. I suggest you head over to the Nutrition Section and check it out. Lots of great info over there.

[alexISthrowed]

thanks everyone for a very fast response!!!
im eating 4 times a day, and working out for almost 8months 3-4 times a week... i only gain 5lbs i think ,


**my dad is 5'10 and he's only 120lbs ..

Eating 4 times a day doesn't mean anything about your diet. I guarantee your not eating half of what you should be. Post up your full diet with macros and training split.

[The Bear 79]

thanks everyone for a very fast response!!!
im eating 4 times a day, and working out for almost 8months 3-4 times a week... i only gain 5lbs i think ,


**my dad is 5'10 and he's only 120lbs ..

So u gona post ur diet & training regime so we can help....................?

[akgalicha]

11:30am • 2 cups rice, 1egg, meat or chicken < i dont know how many calories....
3:30 pm• burger , orange/coconut juice
6:00pm • 2 cups rice, 1egg, meat or chicken
10:00 • 2eggs oat meal, milk..


for my training my instructor gave me list program.. for every other day..

1st
chest
Bench B.B press 4 set 6-10reps
incline D.b press
isolateral decline
pull over
back
spider row 4set 8-12reps
hammer row
flat pull back
row mach
cable row

2nd
press down 4set 10reps
db tricep ext.
cross grip bench press
barbellcurl
dumbellcurl
bicep mach
hammer curl
wrist curl

3rd

bent over lateral 4set 10reps
front/behind b.b press
side raise
front raise

upright row
shoulder shrugs

[Awesome_Archy]

Fully understand Bear, i'd rather nobody do any serious damage to their body. This website changed my mind going to be a bit before i think im ready for a cycle.

[The Bear 79]

11:30am • 2 cups rice, 1egg, meat or chicken < i dont know how many calories....
3:30 pm• burger , orange/coconut juice
6:00pm • 2 cups rice, 1egg, meat or chicken
10:00 • 2eggs oat meal, milk..


for my training my instructor gave me list program.. for every other day..

1st
chest
Bench B.B press 4 set 6-10reps
incline D.b press
isolateral decline
pull over
back
spider row 4set 8-12reps
hammer row
flat pull back
row mach
cable row

2nd
press down 4set 10reps
db tricep ext.
cross grip bench press
barbellcurl
dumbellcurl
bicep mach
hammer curl
wrist curl

3rd

bent over lateral 4set 10reps
front/behind b.b press
side raise
front raise

upright row
shoulder shrugs

That diet is severely insufficient! Y is ur 1st meal of the day @ 11:30 am? By that point in the day u should hav @ least 2 meals already down. And where the hell is the protein?!?!? Theres mor tweakin necessary here than I originally suspected, I suggest u head over 2 the nutrition section, post ur diet & goals & they will hook u rite up. Also, ur "trainer" SUCKS! Wheres the leg workout? Y only 1 Tri exercise? Wut about abs? Cardio? UR TRAINER SUCKS! U can head over 2 the workout section & get the help u need putting 2gether an effective, FULL BODY routine.

[akgalicha]

thanks.. i'll change my diet and workout plan.. i want to be atleast 120-130lbs not to be underweight.. hmmm its not recommended for me now to take cyycle until 25..?

[tall76]

Go to the nutrition section and ask for help because u need it badly. The workout sux too- no legs? That's half ur body u are neglecting!! And wrist curls???!! U weigh 98 lbs stop doing wrist curls please. Let some people help u with nutrition and workout and you will put on weight quickly or take steroids and u will be in worse off shape than u are now I promise.

[neversurrendr]

Seriously bro, that trainer has given you terrible advice. The workout is terrible and the diet is waaaaay to little. There are answers in this form but, as a general outline IN MY OPINION:
Food:
6+ meals a day, the first one immediately upon waking (even if its a protein shake or a couple eggs)
Minimum 150 grams of protein, up to 200 grams
200 to 300 carbs a day, complex carbs only
Skip the juices
Workout:
Hit one BIG muscle group per day (chest, back, legs, shoulders)
plus one small muscle group (tri, bi, calves, etc)

Go either 2 on 1 off or 4 on 1 off, something like that. Not every other day..

Just my opinion

[songdog]

Just beacuse a guy calls himself a trainer dont mean squat.We have seen quite a few here that I wouldnt hire to bring in my fire wood.With that said you have all the advice you need.FIX diet and workout.Build a good base then you will be ready and you will be glad you waited.

[akgalicha]

thanks to all of your advises i really appreciate it....!!

[Orangecrushpilot]

You have to be kidding me with that diet bro, and you want to run gear? Get your kitchen time on track first. You will gain a lot of weight at your age just with simple diet and training, especially how small you are at the moment. You will grow bro. Learn to eat and train thicken up and then get on the junk. Otherwise your just wasting your hard earned money.

[The Bear 79]

You have to be kidding me with that diet bro, and you want to run gear? Get your kitchen time on track first. You will gain a lot of weight at your age just with simple diet and training, especially how small you are at the moment. You will grow bro. Learn to eat and train thicken up and then get on the junk. Otherwise your just wasting your hard earned money.

Uuhhh...............I think he got it bro...........

thanks.. i'll change my diet and workout plan..

No need 2 beat a dead dog.

[akgalicha]

You have to be kidding me with that diet bro, and you want to run gear? Get your kitchen time on track first. You will gain a lot of weight at your age just with simple diet and training, especially how small you are at the moment. You will grow bro. Learn to eat and train thicken up and then get on the junk. Otherwise your just wasting your hard earned money.

...................................... repost

[akgalicha]

You have to be kidding me with that diet bro, and you want to run gear? Get your kitchen time on track first. You will gain a lot of weight at your age just with simple diet and training, especially how small you are at the moment. You will grow bro. Learn to eat and train thicken up and then get on the junk. Otherwise your just wasting your hard earned money.

yep my diet is really terrible =),i think im not getting any taller.. im already 5'5 height since im 14 or 15.. im a filipino this is typical height.. thanks

[stpete]

Everyone has given you solid advice. And we understand your genetic background. But use it to your advantage. You could really pack on some pounds and be huge. Food for thought....

[Orangecrushpilot]

yep my diet is really terrible =),i think im not getting any taller.. im already 5'5 height since im 14 or 15.. im a filipino this is typical height.. thanks

Height is not an issue for bodybuilding. Lots of bodybuilders are on the short side. You will grow adn can still grow very big depending on your genetics and your frame potential. With AAS you will be able to grow even more, but learn how to grow first.

[Orangecrushpilot]

Uuhhh...............I think he got it bro........... No need 2 beat a dead dog.

Calm down sweet heart, I'm just talking to him. I know to you I'm just a newb.

[The Bear 79]

Calm down sweet heart, I'm just talking to him. I know to you I'm just a newb.

OK cupcake................

[stpete]

haha...Easy fellas. But now i want a cupcake. F!!k off Bear!!

[DeadlyD]

Seriously bro, that trainer has given you terrible advice. The workout is terrible and the diet is waaaaay to little. There are answers in this form but, as a general outline IN MY OPINION:
Food:
6+ meals a day, the first one immediately upon waking (even if its a protein shake or a couple eggs)
Minimum 150 grams of protein, up to 200 grams
200 to 300 carbs a day, complex carbs only
Skip the juices
Workout:
Hit one BIG muscle group per day (chest, back, legs, shoulders)
plus one small muscle group (tri, bi, calves, etc)

Go either 2 on 1 off or 4 on 1 off, something like that. Not every other day..

Just my opinion

Yep! I agree

[The Bear 79]

haha...Easy fellas. But now i want a cupcake. F!!k off Bear!!

lol!

[DeadlyD]

haha...Easy fellas. But now i want a cupcake. F!!k off Bear!!

Wow Bear, you really like to pick on the new guys!!! Haha you really seem to know your s**t so share it nicely !!

[The Bear 79]

Wow Bear, you really like to pick on the new guys!!! Haha you really seem to know your s**t so share it nicely !!

He's not new, & I dont like "picking on" any1, I called him out cuz the OP's issues had already been successfully addressed & he had already voiced his decision 2 make the necessary changes 2 his diet & training, but Orangecrushpilot over zealously saw an opportunity 2 flex his "I kno mor than u muscles" after the fact & ran with it.

[Orangecrushpilot]

I was just talking to him. Why is it that you wanna be vets always have to screw with people with low post counts. Are you like the newb hero or something? Call me out, give me a break. I been at this game probably before you could wipe your own butt.

[stpete]

We've voiced our opinions on said subject...Now, let's move on guys.

[The Bear 79]

I was just talking to him. Why is it that you wanna be vets always have to screw with people with low post counts. Are you like the newb hero or something? Call me out, give me a break. I been at this game probably before you could wipe your own butt.

Alrite then oh knowledgeable 1.............y dont u support ur claim in the gyno thread u posted in instead of arguing here.............http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-gyno-question.............BTW, calling u out had nothing 2 do with ur post count, u were necessarily kicking a dead dog....................period. I would hav done the same thing 2 some1 with 10,000 posts.

[The Bear 79]

We've voiced our opinions on said subject...Now, let's move on guys.

Agreed. I'm done here.

[stpete]

Agreed. I'm done here.

Good...Leave it alone. Thanks.