TRT as a teenager

[nikalexopoulos]

Hey guys,

Just thought id post this to get some opinions. When i was 16 i used to root like a rabbit, had great gains in the gym, plenty of energy and woke up with a woody from heaven. I just finished high school and now i never get morning woodies, i cant gain in the gym, i cant go more than once in a night and i suffer from chronic fatigue. So i went to the doc and he referred me for blood tests. Did the test today and i get the results next week.

Now you're probably reading and thinking im full of shvt. But september 2010 at 16 years old i did a comp. natural of course... Anyway i did blood work after full carb depletion for 8 weeks and my free testosterone was that of a prepubescent boy. I did blood work 2 months after the comp and had a tiny increase. Thats when the problems all started and they havnt improved in over a year. Do u think i could still have low free testosterone? Or would anyone put it down to other issues?

Thanks

[Windex]

Could be hundreds of issues, TRT should be a last resort. Believe me, I've been getting tested for the last year MONTHLY because I'm a potential candidate for lifetime TRT and only 20 years old. You need several bloodwork panels and you also would need to see an endocrinologist. Pinning for the rest of your life is something I'd probably want to avoid. What your describing could be other problems like stress, or a chronic health problem just as two small examples.

[xelnaga]

Prop for being in tune with your body enough to know something is off. I agree with windex, get to a doctor and find out whats going on. Its very unlikely that your test levels would become chronically low at such a young age; its most likely something else.

[Far from massive]

Agreed with all above, while in an adult particularly one above 40 low testosterone is often a natural progression with no cure and TRT is the best course of treatment. Conversly there is almost always an underlying cause of low test in people who are below 25 and that underlying cause needs to be diagnosed and delt with. Just replacing the testosterone without finding the root cause is not a good idea.

FFM

[nikalexopoulos]

Hmm yea that is the problem. Im not stressed, i did really well in my final exams, i have all my uni offers accepted, all is well in life and i have never suffered from any sort of condition or disease. Im 6ft 2 and 220 pounds. So ive made sick gains before my comp but all of a sudden they just slowed right down? I get my results next week, this would have been my third set of blood tests and il ppst my results . Thanks for the responses guys

[Brohim]

Your body lowers hormones when you cut calories. Also if you don't get enough fat's. And make sure you get 8 hours of sleep and not 2 or 3 studying late.

[gearbox]

will wait for your blood work...curious to know what's up...

[Times Roman]

...i'm guessing it's something else.

you're thinking repla***ent of testosterone , and i'm thinking your test levels haven't even peaked yet.

[nikalexopoulos]

Yea well thats the issue, based on my knowledge, i am supposed to be increasing until late 20's. But i have noticed a worsening in this situation. Im not the type of person to sook about something then think its just worst case scenario. I mean after problems in the bedroom started, i consulted doctors for possible allergies to latex, to my gf's perfume, also considered my stress levels. But everything always came back all clear. Not to mention my stagnant progress in the gym after a wicked first 6-7 months. I understand plateaus, but this was a sudden halt, not gradual at all. I get my results in 2 days so we will c. And thanks for the concerns, im finished studying now so life is about training and making money till university. So i guess i will see!! I have friends who r diabetics and inject themselves 3 times a day with insulin , so if i had to do hormone therapy and inject twice a week i wouldnt be that concerned, but obviously i would much prefer to be in the clear. Plus id never be able to do natural comps again

[Honkey_Kong]

Agreed with all above, while in an adult particularly one above 40 low testosterone is often a natural progression with no cure and TRT is the best course of treatment. Conversly there is almost always an underlying cause of low test in people who are below 25 and that underlying cause needs to be diagnosed and delt with. Just replacing the testosterone without finding the root cause is not a good idea.

FFM

This is true. I had a tumor on my pituitary gland which caused my low test (along with an elevated prolactin level) that was massive enough it was pushing on my ocular nerve. Unfortunately after I had it treated, I still ended up on TRT. But if I didn't get the cause of the problem treated, and just done the TRT, I might not be able to see right now.

[nikalexopoulos]

This is true. I had a tumor on my pituitary gland which caused my low test (along with an elevated prolactin level) that was massive enough it was pushing on my ocular nerve. Unfortunately after I had it treated, I still ended up on TRT. But if I didn't get the cause of the problem treated, and just done the TRT, I might not be able to see right now.

Shvt? Glad ur all good now man. How old r u? And i was tested for free testosterone , fsh, prolactin, fasting blood sugar levels and some other thing. So maybe if one of those is off do u recon it could effect my libido and possibly testosterone use in my body? Not necessarily the actual production of it?

[Honkey_Kong]

Shvt? Glad ur all good now man. How old r u? And i was tested for free testosterone, fsh, prolactin, fasting blood sugar levels and some other thing. So maybe if one of those is off do u recon it could effect my libido and possibly testosterone use in my body? Not necessarily the actual production of it?

I'm in my early 30's. My point was you need to find out what is causing your problem rather than just trying to treat the low-test symptom. And there are tons of other factors that can cause a drop in libido besides low testosterone .

[nikalexopoulos]

Yea i understand. Thats why im not too quick to jump the gun. This will be my 3rd set of blood work. So we will c!! I live in a fairly small city in australia so seeing an endo isnt really an option. Because all we have is one at the hospital and they wouldnt prescribe any treatment to u unless u were seconds from dying. Do u know of any other significant causes of low libido, fatigue and difficulty in gaining muscle mass?

[Honkey_Kong]

Yea i understand. Thats why im not too quick to jump the gun. This will be my 3rd set of blood work. So we will c!! I live in a fairly small city in australia so seeing an endo isnt really an option. Because all we have is one at the hospital and they wouldnt prescribe any treatment to u unless u were seconds from dying. Do u know of any other significant causes of low libido, fatigue and difficulty in gaining muscle mass?

Diet can be one. Same with stress and not getting enough sleep at night. I'd still go to an endo if I were you. Even if you have to make a drive to a big city.

[nikalexopoulos]

Diet can be one. Same with stress and not getting enough sleep at night. I'd still go to an endo if I were you. Even if you have to make a drive to a big city.

Drive isnt an option. Im in the capital city of my state. The next closest is a 4 hr flight haha. Diet is perfect. 9 meals a day, meeting all macro requirements which is why i have mantained 100 kg at 15% bf. and the sleep has been ok. So i will c how blood work goes then il take my results to the endo if it isnt conclusive. Thanks for ur replies too btw

[ItsInHisBlood]

Hey nikalexopoulos,
after reading your post I realise your pretty much in the same situation as I am.
See my thread "Natural Bodybuilder - Blood work results: Total testosterone is very low" ( can't post URL..)

I will do a 3rd blood test in 10 days to see where I am now ( it's been 3 months since the 1st blood work in which I was at 193 ng/dL of total test ).

[nikalexopoulos]

Hey nikalexopoulos,
after reading your post I realise your pretty much in the same situation as I am.
See my thread "Natural Bodybuilder - Blood work results: Total testosterone is very low" ( can't post URL..)

I will do a 3rd blood test in 10 days to see where I am now ( it's been 3 months since the 1st blood work in which I was at 193 ng/dL of total test ).

How old r u? See i just turned 18. When my blood work came back a couple of years ago, i was super high. Still in range, but at the top end. My last 2 sets have had me barely scrapping in at the bottom. So im really concerned.

[ItsInHisBlood]

How old r u? See i just turned 18. When my blood work came back a couple of years ago, i was super high. Still in range, but at the top end. My last 2 sets have had me barely scrapping in at the bottom. So im really concerned.

20, see my thread.

[nikalexopoulos]

So got my results. Testosterone was only 300 on a referance range of 225-725. So now im seeing the endo as soon as i can. All other readings came back normal.

[Honkey_Kong]

So got my results. Testosterone was only 300 on a referance range of 225-725. So now im seeing the endo as soon as i can. All other readings came back normal.

300 is in the normal range. What does your free test levels read?

[nikalexopoulos]

Normal bro, but fvckin low. Anything under 400 really isnt much at all. On a reference range of 10-30, free was 11.6. Im within range on both, but at bottom end and both results were lower than blood work taken 6 months ago. So its only going down :-/. Im seeing the endo soon. So we will c wat happens from there

[Honkey_Kong]

Normal bro, but fvckin low. Anything under 400 really isnt much at all. On a reference range of 10-30, free was 11.6. Im within range on both, but at bottom end and both results were lower than blood work taken 6 months ago. So its only going down :-/. Im seeing the endo soon. So we will c wat happens from there

Are you getting your bloodwork done first thing in the morning?

[nikalexopoulos]

Yea fasted. 8am in the morning. This time was after a massive leg session the day before. So woke up with a rare woody feeling ok. So thats honestly as high as my test is gona get. Id say on the average day it would be even lower. Lol evidence that tribulus does sweet FA!!

[ItsInHisBlood]

300 is in the normal range. What does your free test levels read?

300 is very low for a 18yo man... normal 18 should be in the 600-700 and +
Your free test is as you said also in the low range.
You make it right going to see an endo. As soon as I did my 3rd blood test , i'm gonna see one too.

I was at 193 at my first blood test , 423 (total test) at my second and free test showed at 0.98 ng/dL (!)

[nikalexopoulos]

Wow i thought my results were bad!! Yea i hate how the doctors say 'yea 300 is still within range'. It might be, but im not
Going the rest of my teen years and twenties being able to go once, maybe twice in a night and thats it. Im also not
Going to plateau at 18. Thats ridiculous. I eat 8 meals a day. 220 g protein, 400g carbs, 80g of clean fats. I train hard and for wat? I havnt seen a good gain in 9 months. If the endo doesnt allow me to go on hormone repla***ent or another type of treatment that my parents and i r happy with, then i will be looking into other means of getting what i need. Some people may find it vain, but its a quality of life issue.

[lovbyts]

Hopefully he will find the underlying cause of the problem and treat that instead of masking it with TRT. He may put you on HCG to kick your test levels up instead of Testosterone the will shut you down.

[Honkey_Kong]

300 is very low for a 18yo man... normal 18 should be in the 600-700 and +
Your free test is as you said also in the low range.
You make it right going to see an endo. As soon as I did my 3rd blood test , i'm gonna see one too.

I was at 193 at my first blood test , 423 (total test) at my second and free test showed at 0.98 ng/dL (!)

It's low, but still within the normal range. Granted it still needs to be investigated because there probably is a treatable cause.

[txnhb]

Post this question in the TRT forum.

[SEOINAGE]

agreed should be in TRT forum. I'm not too experienced with things, but i was barely over 400 total test, and free test barely in range. We started with thyroid treatment, which so far has gone horribly. 300 is definitely something i wouldn't want to live with, i'm new to this as well and hope the underlying cause to my issues can be figured out, best thing to do is give things a little time, i know you have already but do your research, see waht you doc can figure out, maybe even get a second opinion, i dunno, your body is pretty important and you don't want to mess it up, but i totally understand you need to get something done about it.

[nikalexopoulos]

Look im in range, but i dont want to be 300. I barely scrape in and it sucks. Im sooo tired all the time, i never get in bed with my gf because i dont feel like it and my training is going no where. I will ofcourse be open to other avenues if they r necessary but i dont want some temporary 'see how it goes' type treatment. Ive delt with this for 16 months, i need it done. Im a young man and i feel like im an old woman. Before i know it my teenage years will be done and il still be sufferring from low test and regretting not taking better action