First time Gear user just wants some support!

[McgillMax]

(I'll start off with all my info since that seems to be what everyone wants right off the bat) So I'm currently 22 years old, been lifting since I was 10 or so, currently at about 195 and 5'11. I've decided to try gear since i've been working out for SO long and i thought that i would reward myself by trying something drastically different, and something I've always been curious about. So, I like to think i've done enough research (the last month or so has been cramming for me) but there are still a few things i'm iffy on. ALSO, my bloodwork is fine (had it done last week)

1) Workouts while on gear (I don't know why but i can't find any solid workouts on the internet... i feel like thats ridiculous, i just haven't had any luck with my usual sites/google!)

2) Supplements while on gear ( I understand completely that you need to consume a disgusting amount of protein and carbs (DUH!) but i was more curious about whether or not taking Purple K, BCAA, Glutamine, pre-workouts (prefer not to since i find they are sorta junk and fillers) or post-workouts(same belief, food is always better!) or any other supplements would help out.)

Since the gear is so pricey, i want to make sure i do everything correctly. For the record i can keep a clean diet and, i can definitely dedicate another year to working out hard!

SO, before I give a list of what i was thinking of taking, heres my goals... Im currently sitting at about 18%BF and i would like to go for hypertrophy more ( i love lifting them heavy ass weights, but looking good never hurts) SO, simply put, I'd like to look better.

Currently thinking a 12 week cycle

Weeks 1-12 will be : Sustanon 500mgs & Equipoise 500mgs (each once a week)
Novaldex for PCT

I don't (or would prefer) not to get any more injectibles, as it is my first time (obviously i'm a BIT concerned about the needles, i've done lots of research on how its done, i have a buddy who's cycled 8 times now and said he would do my first)

So sum it all up: I want to look better after using gear (sustanon and equipoise, both 500mgs once a week, PCT novaldex)push my lifting to the next level, and i also want to know what supplements to use with gear, and workouts that suit what I want to accomplish.
Any tips, advice, etc. is very welcome !

Thanks

Ps. I'll also give weekly updates on this forum, just like a blog, just in case any problems arise, concerns, etc! and to post progress in lifts and looks!

[jasc]

Not that I condone using under 25, here are a few points to research further.
-Effects of using AAS under the age of 25 and possible damage to your endocrine system.
-Sust injection frequency, 1x per week will not be enough due to the shorter esters in there.
-Use of an AI to control estrogen on cycle.
-A stronger pct, look in to torem or clomid to add to the nolva.
-Are you familiar with hcg?
-Why to only run 1 compound for a first cycle.

Also, head over to the Nutrition section. Without a solid diet plan and a proper workout routine all the AAS in the world won't help you reach your goals.

[DamageDealer]

you don't use two compounds if it's your first cycle. also, you'll need a bit more than just nolvadex

[BigGuy90]

Just stick to one compound for your first cycle instead of 2..Jasc hit it on the nail with what to research more like the AI and a stronger PCT. Usually clomid and nolva are used together as a PCT. Your BF is just a little high so I feel like you won't get the best effect with it. If you could try and get it down to at least 15% that would be good..Injecting once a week is not going to work either with the sust..you should try doing at least 250mg x2/week

[McgillMax]

I was aware that to balance out blood levels 2 injections would be better, I wanted to avoid that but since it's been affirmed here, i'll stick with 2 for each. So would that mean injection goes

Monday : left cheek Equi Right Sust
Thursday: Left cheek Sust, Right cheek Equi

So on and so forth for the 12 weeks?

-all research I found about endocrine was fine after the age of 21 ?
-the trouble is i've ordered my bottles of Sust and Equi....
-Diet won't be a problem, i'm rather capable of putting one together --- ill put it up when i have it ironed out!
- Once again, all the research i did pointed to Novaldex being WAY better then Clomid, and usually said to use one. Yes i'm familiar with HCG and its benefits in the PCT phase, but the few people i have known to have done gear said Novaldex would be sufficient for a first cycle (same with my online sources)
- For AI on cycle, i was informed you start using it if you notice any symptoms, such as gyno?
- The thing with my weight is i bounce around a lot, this past summer i was as low as 12%, and now i put myself at about 16-18%. Every cycle ( Cut/bulk) my cutting phase gets better and better. Now, i know there's lots of room for improvement. I was using gear to kick start my summer preparation.
- I don't plan on using gear a lot, like i said, more of a reward, which is why i picked a stack which from what i've heard is acceptable for beginners. I didn't want to start at the bare minimum; i wanted to make my first cycle very effective.

Main concerns:
-Is there any way i can get through my first 12 week cycle with Novaldex alone; should i be using it throughout the whole cycle and PCT (or only if i notice symptoms to use during)
- for the injection's, do i have the schedule right?

[McgillMax]

Also, isn't Torem used more or less for excess water removal ( usually associated with Deca?)

[The Bear 79]

McgillMax, hav u done any research on the Endocrine & HPTA?

[McgillMax]

Isn't endocrine just the glands that push out hormones, and the HPTA is specifically the male oriented one (hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis); when you take gear it sends a message to stop excreting those hormones, which means when you come off you don`t have any natural production of them. Which is why you do a PCT phase to start it all working again, no?

[The Bear 79]

Isn't endocrine just the glands that push out hormones, and the HPTA is specifically the male oriented one (hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis); when you take gear it sends a message to stop excreting those hormones, which means when you come off you don`t have any natural production of them. Which is why you do a PCT phase to start it all working again, no?

Mostly correct, do a little mor diggin on the Endo. Cycling @ ur age increases risk of doing potentially irreversible damage 2 those systems. So in other words, cycling @ ur age could stunt ur growth, & leave ur HPTA shut down 4 good, u wont b able 2 get a hard on, severe depression is likely as well as TRT or HRT. 4 LIFE

[McgillMax]

In no way am I claiming to know more then any of you which is why I came to this forum; but aren't those the risks we all take by gearing? Could I go to a doctor and see what he said ? My blood work and all that stuff is good, does that have no bearing on whether I can use gear or not? Is there a solution to this? Because when could you ever be sure you were ready then? I've put a lot of time, effort and money into this and then to have to bail at the last minute would suck.

[The Bear 79]

25 years old is sed 2 b the age of full maturity of the Endo. & HPTA. Ur almost there buddy, don't b so impatient, u may regret it. And I wasnt trying 2 mak u look like a fool bro, I just prefer every1 do the research rather than just hav everything handed 2 them. And don't worry bout the money u put in2 this, the gear wont go bad b4 u turn 25.

[McgillMax]

Are you positive the gear is good for that long (never looked into any kind of "best before"). I was just so stoked to finally do it!

[The Bear 79]

I'm sure, But feel free 2 ask around. Bonaparte would b 1 of the best guys 2 ask.

[Sgt. Hartman]

I was aware that to balance out blood levels 2 injections would be better, I wanted to avoid that but since it's been affirmed here, i'll stick with 2 for each. So would that mean injection goes

Monday : left cheek Equi Right Sust
Thursday: Left cheek Sust, Right cheek Equi
You don't have to inject them separately, just draw both compounds in the same syringe and inject them together. That being said, EQ is a fairly useless compound and you'd be better off just running test by itself to see how your body responds. Example: if you break out with bad acne you won't know if it's from the test or the EQ.
So on and so forth for the 12 weeks?

-all research I found about endocrine was fine after the age of 21 ? The HPTA is the last part of the male body to fully mature. Waiting a few more years would be a safer bet. Dealing with erectile dysfunction or depression is not something you would want to go through in your early 20's if your recovery does not go well
-the trouble is i've ordered my bottles of Sust and Equi....
-Diet won't be a problem, i'm rather capable of putting one together --- ill put it up when i have it ironed out!
- Once again, all the research i did pointed to Novaldex being WAY better then Clomid, and usually said to use one. Yes i'm familiar with HCG and its benefits in the PCT phase, but the few people i have known to have done gear said Novaldex would be sufficient for a first cycle (same with my online sources) HCG should be run on cycle as it will keep the testes functioning and will make recovery during PCT easier. Check out the PCT forum here, but it is better to run nolva + clomid or nolva + tore.
- For AI on cycle, i was informed you start using it if you notice any symptoms, such as gyno? IMO everyone should run an AI on cycle whether they have ERSE's or not. Just because you don't develop gyno doesn't mean your serum E levels are not high, and there are many adverse health risks in having high estradiol
- The thing with my weight is i bounce around a lot, this past summer i was as low as 12%, and now i put myself at about 16-18%. Every cycle ( Cut/bulk) my cutting phase gets better and better. Now, i know there's lots of room for improvement. I was using gear to kick start my summer preparation.
- I don't plan on using gear a lot LOL, nobody plans on it but it has a way of happening anyway., like i said, more of a reward, which is why i picked a stack which from what i've heard is acceptable for beginners. I didn't want to start at the bare minimum; i wanted to make my first cycle very effective.

Main concerns:
-Is there any way i can get through my first 12 week cycle with Novaldex alone; should i be using it throughout the whole cycle and PCT (or only if i notice symptoms to use during) Run an AI like arimidex or preferably exemestane while on cycle and save the nolva for PCT, or unless gyno develops.
- for the injection's, do i have the schedule right? Yes

Bolds.

By torem, do you mean toremifene citrate? If so, it is a 2nd generation SERM, similar to tamox.