STANZOL - First time user. What do i need to know?

[MTBuilder]

Hi, i have never tried any steroids before and im not really looking to bulk up and get huge. I was told stanzol is a good one for cutting up and getting a hard shredded look. Is there anything else i need to consider before taking this as i have read it has one of the worst hepatoxicity of any steroid and wondering if there is something to help counteract this or if i should only take a minimal amount per day?

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

[felk87]

Stats...goal first?

[Dr Pepper]

What's is hepatoxcity?

Stanazol should not be used on its own and will not make you hard and shredded as you say unless other things such as bodyfat, diet and training are up to scratch first.

What are your stats?

[MTBuilder]

Hepatoxicity is basically chemical driven liver damage, wikipedia has heaps of info on it if you need more. Diet is up to scratch and body fat is on its way down ( 3 months ago was 103kg and now 85kg). Oh and im 6'1 tall. what other stats do you need to know?
I do heaps of cardio in my Muay Thai training and run between 4 - 8 kms a day. I lift weights to gain strength but not size im really just after a toned muscular looking body with out being huge. I was told by some guys at my gym that have used Stanzol before that it shreds the weight and fat down, and helps with strength training, but i really wanted more opinions on this prior to starting it and also what else i need to do with it to prevent doing damage to my body.

Thanks

[alexISthrowed]

Imo you won't notice much unless your pretty well into the single digits bf wise. There has been like 10 threads this week about winny only cycles, it does not help lose fat in ANY way whatsoever. You might make some minimal strength gains and if you are below say 8% bf you will notice a harder look but other than that just sore joints.

[MTBuilder]

Thanks for your opinion on that, but it leaves me unclear on what the purpose of stanzol is now. From what i read your saying I will only tone up on stanzol if i am already toned. i.e little to no body fat and very fit. So basically dont do it? Why is it then that people use it in a cutting cycle? Correct me if im wrong but i thought a cutting cycle was done to remove excess fat and water/fluid retention in the body? Which is what i want to do but without first doing a bulking up cycle. I hope that makes sense.

[Userat204]

Not a good choice IMO. It's considered a "cutting drug" by some because it will pull the water off you making you appear to be more cut but once you stop using it the water returns. It will mess up lipids and joints.

You shouldn't use any AAS without test. Winny should be saved for pre contest use when you need to get as dry as possible. A simple test cycle with adequate diet and training will do all that you want. Bulking and cutting are based on diet not AAS. Some AAS are better at assisting in bulking or cutting but the can all be used for both so if you want to get cut, find someone to help you with the right diet.

[alexISthrowed]

Thanks for your opinion on that, but it leaves me unclear on what the purpose of stanzol is now. From what i read your saying I will only tone up on stanzol if i am already toned. i.e little to no body fat and very fit. So basically dont do it? Why is it then that people use it in a cutting cycle? Correct me if im wrong but i thought a cutting cycle was done to remove excess fat and water/fluid retention in the body? Which is what i want to do but without first doing a bulking up cycle. I hope that makes sense.

You are correct in assuming you will only notice the effects of winny when you are lean. A cutting cycle is done to remove excess bf, that is done with diet and cardio not aas. Winny will help you retain a little muscle well cutting but there are better options. Why not run test?

[MTBuilder]

To be honest i am a newby and only know what i have read online, and most ppl i talk too seem to have varying opinions on each product and different websites have varying info about each product also. From the info i read i had the impression that test was used to bulk up and not just to tone up and drop fat (obviously diet is the most important thing in cutting fat but i just want it to happen much faster), so i didnt really consider it. But having read into it a bit more it seems to make more sense now that you mention it. Having said that, most of the info i had read previously to posting this thread recommended Stanzol to help shred fat. I have now found more info telling me it doesnt help with that at all, so it all gets a little confusing. But thanks for the input guys appreciate it.

[alexISthrowed]

To be honest i am a newby and only know what i have read online, and most ppl i talk too seem to have varying opinions on each product and different websites have varying info about each product also. From the info i read i had the impression that test was used to bulk up and not just to tone up and drop fat (obviously diet is the most important thing in cutting fat but i just want it to happen much faster), so i didnt really consider it. But having read into it a bit more it seems to make more sense now that you mention it. Having said that, most of the info i had read previously to posting this thread recommended Stanzol to help shred fat. I have now found more info telling me it doesnt help with that at all, so it all gets a little confusing. But thanks for the input guys appreciate it.

Test is the base of any cycle, cutting or bulking. I can understand how it is confusing with terms like cutting and bulking cycles. The purpose of running aas during a cut is to maintain muscle mass, they will not help you burn fat quicker. Different compounds like winny, masteron, anavar, tren etc are used during a cutting cycle because they're very dry compounds unlike deca, anadrol, dbol, etc. At very low bodyfat some of these compounds can also harden you up and give you a grainier look. I know guys that will run what are considered bulking drugs pretty far into their diet's, then pull them a few weeks before their show. You can cut on a "bulking cycle" Your definition just might be blurred from excess bloat. There are compounds like clen, t3/t4, ephedrine that along with proper diet and cardio will help you lose fat a little quicker.

[Steroidman99]

To be honest i am a newby and only know what i have read online, and most ppl i talk too seem to have varying opinions on each product and different websites have varying info about each product also. From the info i read i had the impression that test was used to bulk up and not just to tone up and drop fat (obviously diet is the most important thing in cutting fat but i just want it to happen much faster), so i didnt really consider it. But having read into it a bit more it seems to make more sense now that you mention it. Having said that, most of the info i had read previously to posting this thread recommended Stanzol to help shred fat. I have now found more info telling me it doesnt help with that at all, so it all gets a little confusing. But thanks for the input guys appreciate it.

After my experience with stanozolol, I can give you this advice:
- Stanozolol is quite a powerful steroid and as a novice, you should see very impressive strength gains even on 30 mg/day.

- I am not aware of any study showing that using stanozolol would reduce body fat. This ability was proven only in trenbolone and oxandrolone.

- You can gain some muscle, but really not much. Nevertheless, if your body fat is low, the results could be quite impressive after several cycles. It won't make you huge, but the shape of muscles will be very nice.

- Side effects of stanozolol can be pretty nasty. It is not a "mild androgen", as some urban myths always repeat, and sensitive individuals can suffer from severe acne and hair loss. Liver toxicity and cholesterol should be examined by a lab test after the cycle. But the major reason, why I don't take stanozolol anymore, is the unbearable joint pain.

- You can take stanozolol alone, with some creatine, for example. No problem. After several weeks you can feel a bit suppressed, but at least for me, it was not a problem to overcome it, when I saw my performances improving during every training session. Testosterone will certainly improve the total result very markedly, but it will also aggravate androgenic side effects.

To sum it up, stanozolol is not a bad choice, but it is not a steroid that should be taken repeatedly, because its side effects could be harmful. Oxandrolone is much better, and if you buy it from China, you can get it for ridiculous prices.

[Steroidman99]

Test is the base of any cycle, cutting or bulking.

Test is a steroid hamburger. Cheap, effective, with many side effects. There are certainly better drugs that have been developed since thze end of World War II.

[alexISthrowed]

I would not listen to the above advice.

[gixxerboy1]

Test is a steroid hamburger. Cheap, effective, with many side effects. There are certainly better drugs that have been developed since thze end of World War II.

I'm not saying that there isnt better things then test depending on goals. But that doesnt negate the fact that test should be included in any cycle

[Steroidman99]

I would not listen to the above advice.

And for a change, I wouldn't listen to testomaniacs. The use of testosterone has no rational sports basis. There are safer injectable steroids (boldenone, nandrolone). Testomaniacs actually use it mainly because they are afraid of impotence during the cycle. So, they don't use it because of any sports purpose, but because they are afraid that they would be dumped by their girlfriend.

[Ashop]

How old are you and whats your past cycle/training expereince?

[alexISthrowed]

And for a change, I wouldn't listen to testomaniacs. The use of testosterone has no rational sports basis. There are safer injectable steroids (boldenone, nandrolone). Testomaniacs actually use it mainly because they are afraid of impotence during the cycle. So, they don't use it because of any sports purpose, but because they are afraid that they would be dumped by their girlfriend.

You should really do some research. Taking a compound like nandrolone for example will shut you down very hard leaving you with low test which will lead to a lot of unwanted effects. Ed like you metioned, depression, low sex drive, etc. How did you come up with deca being safer than test? I'm a fan of 19-nors but the side effects are harder to deal with than testosterone and should not be used by a beginner. There is a reason everyone worth anything on this forum says test should always be the base of any cycle.