smokers?

**blowinup** · 01-15-2012, 12:16 AM

I expect to cop some crap for this but i'm a heavy smoker. Into my 5th week of a test e dbol and deca cycle I have decided to make the wise decision of giving up the death sticks. Every night I wake up 3 hours into sleep to have a cigarette and I assume this would be slowing my recovery and muscle growth rate. Cold turkey was not an option so I went down thismorning and bought nicobate nicotine patches. Any experiences or input as to how this may effect my training/ diet would be muchly appreciated! Thanks

**xelnaga** · 01-15-2012, 12:22 AM

Both my grandparents died very young from smoking. How many packs a day are you smoking? Waking up at 3am for a smoke? Yikes. It may be helpful to open up a thread for your progress in the " members cycle results". It will keep you accountable when it comes to quitting. Good luck bro!

**slfmade** · 01-15-2012, 12:31 AM

Day after tomorrow will make 2 years since I quit. I was a 2+ pack a day smoker. Best decision I ever made. I went the cold turkey route, but whatever way works best for you just DO IT.

**Whoady** · 01-15-2012, 12:31 AM

Smoking reduces the bioavailability of oxygen in your blood by around 15%. Nicotine is what you are addicted to... the smoke and the cigarette in itself is a habit. If you provide your body with nicotine, you will still be addicted to nicotine but at least you will be able to get better training and recovery. Eventually you wanna ween yourself off nicotine too. It's hard to quit cigarettes but I did it before, although I wasn't years-deep into smoking. For me, quitting weed was/is harder. I smoked weed for the past 10 years of my life pretty much everyday, throughout the day. I find alcohol makes me want to smoke again. And when I drink I want to smoke anything that smokes, including cigarettes. So yeah, stay away from the alcohol if you can.

Good luck quitting and I hope you stay clean.

**markdbg** · 01-15-2012, 12:45 AM

ive never heard of someone waking up to smoke lol.. will not be easy road for you but will be well worth it.but imagine all the gear u can buy when u kick it, u might even be able to afford hgh!

just remember, smokers are jokers.

**blowinup** · 01-15-2012, 12:53 AM

Originally Posted by xelnaga

Both my grandparents died very young from smoking. How many packs a day are you smoking? Waking up at 3am for a smoke? Yikes. It may be helpful to open up a thread for your progress in the " members cycle results". It will keep you accountable when it comes to quitting. Good luck bro!

Sorry to hear that mate It was hard when I lost my grandfather so I feel your loss. My condolances. I smoke a pack of 30 each day and not just 3am cravings, every 3 hour cravings and I've been reading a few threads about how detrimental deep sleep is for recover and that around your forth hour of sleep is when you get into deep sleep. So as it seems I haven't had a deep sleep in over a year. If I go to bed at 9pm
To try get a good nights sleep I usually wake up 2 or 3 times depending on how stressfull work was that day sometimes it'll be every 2 hours. And I can't go back to
Sleep until I get up and have that nicotine hit. It's affecting my terribly so my first step is to sleep through the night and get my sleep Heath tip top. Thanks for the input

**blowinup** · 01-15-2012, 12:55 AM

Originally Posted by slfmade

Day after tomorrow will make 2 years since I quit. I was a 2+ pack a day smoker. Best decision I ever made. I went the cold turkey route, but whatever way works best for you just DO IT.

Cold turkey was my first option but the withdrawls make me quite fiesty, respect to you brother you should be proud.

**blowinup** · 01-15-2012, 01:01 AM

Originally Posted by Whoady

Smoking reduces the bioavailability of oxygen in your blood by around 15%. Nicotine is what you are addicted to... the smoke and the cigarette in itself is a habit. If you provide your body with nicotine, you will still be addicted to nicotine but at least you will be able to get better training and recovery. Eventually you wanna ween yourself off nicotine too. It's hard to quit cigarettes but I did it before, although I wasn't years-deep into smoking. For me, quitting weed was/is harder. I smoked weed for the past 10 years of my life pretty much everyday, throughout the day. I find alcohol makes me want to smoke again. And when I drink I want to smoke anything that smokes, including cigarettes. So yeah, stay away from the alcohol if you can.

Good luck quitting and I hope you stay clean.

Good job on giving up the dope mate, since 15 I was married to my bong I got off it cold turkey about 8 weeks before I started this cycle it was hard but I feel so much better and I bet you do also! As for the alcohol I had a bit of an addiction to that to but it's been almost one and a half years since I had a drink. I gave that up cold turkey too, I never had a problem giving up the smokes when i was young I could smoke ciggys for months solid and wake up the next morning and not smoke for a month or more. Since then I've had 2 children and the stress levels have risen dramatically, so I think it turned from
A habit to an addiction, but I know if I gave up the alcohol and pot the cigarettes shouldn't be much worse. Here I go!

**blowinup** · 01-15-2012, 01:05 AM

Originally Posted by markdbg

ive never heard of someone waking up to smoke lol.. will not be easy road for you but will be well worth it.but imagine all the gear u can buy when u kick it, u might even be able to afford hgh!

just remember, smokers are jokers.

Agreed mate. I spend just over 140ausd a week on cigarettes, my wife was astounded that it was 40 dolars for 7 patches which last a week so let's hope I
Can stick this out cause I've already halved my bill on nicotine!

**spiketannin** · 01-15-2012, 01:07 AM

your on the right path my friend just keep your goals in mind and stay positive..

**tomt45** · 01-15-2012, 01:35 AM

Try chantix. That is how I have always quit in the past. It will make you quit smoking. Some people have nasty side effects but I never had. It will give you some crazy vivid dreams but I actually kinda liked that. I kinda started up again though. Not nearly as much as I used to but I hope to quit again soon and this time for good! Good luck though. Quitting smoking can be really hard.

**blowinup** · 01-15-2012, 01:47 AM

We got champex here but I'm not a fan of getting off a drug with another drug if you understand. And yeah I've heard bad storys about it so I don't think it's an option for me. Thank you anyway

**Honkey_Kong** · 01-15-2012, 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by slfmade

Day after tomorrow will make 2 years since I quit. I was a 2+ pack a day smoker. Best decision I ever made. I went the cold turkey route, but whatever way works best for you just DO IT.

Congratulations on that 2 year mark. In April, I will hit the 7 year mark. Smoked from when I was 13 until 25. Two pack a day habit. I did the same thing, cold turkey. I don't really even remember the cravings anymore.

**Times Roman** · 01-15-2012, 05:03 AM

I’m a cold turkey type of guy. Don’t believe in lingering over a decision. If I decide to quit, then I just quit and deal with it.

I haven’t had a cigarette in about 26 years, when my woman informed me she don’t date fellas that smoke. I stopped smoking there and then.

I have been known to have a cigar from time to time.

**songdog** · 01-15-2012, 06:11 AM

Yes smoking is a bad habit very hard to quit.I wish you the best of luck.But doung aas under the age of 25 you risk doing serious damage to your endo system.

**lovbyts** · 01-15-2012, 06:31 AM

As said many times, it's bad for you in many ways especially financially now days. Anything that wakes you up at 3am due to a craving except for a warm mouth wrapped around your c0ck is back for you. LOL
I'm a cold turkey guy also. I quit several years ago.

Since you are on cycle trade the craving for food, protein up. You have to get past the other habits that go along with it. You want a cigarette when driving, drinking, doing this or that, it's a habit you need to break/change.

Also it sounds like you have an addictive personality and that being said/known do NOT experiment with anything else that may be damaging. Some people can get away with playing with a substance here or there but someone who has an addictive personalty can easily be hooked from day one.

**blowinup** · 01-15-2012, 06:40 AM

Originally Posted by songdog

Yes smoking is a bad habit very hard to quit.I wish you the best of luck.But doung aas under the age of 25 you risk doing serious damage to your endo system.

Where on this thread does it say I am under 25 mate?

**ddp2727** · 01-15-2012, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by blowinup

Where on this thread does it say I am under 25 mate?

Your profile.......

**songdog** · 01-15-2012, 07:04 AM

Originally Posted by blowinup

Where on this thread does it say I am under 25 mate?

Your stats in your profile.

**lovbyts** · 01-15-2012, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by blowinup

Where on this thread does it say I am under 25 mate?

Why so defensive?

About blowinup
Occupation:
Concreter

Age:
22

Height:
189cm

Weight:
85?

Body Fat %:
?

Training Experience:
3 years

Bodybuilding Knowledge:
Not enough...

Cycle Experience:
2nd bulking cycle

**The Bear 79** · 01-15-2012, 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by songdog

Yes smoking is a bad habit very hard to quit.I wish you the best of luck.But doung aas under the age of 25 you risk doing serious damage to your endo system.

While were on the subject, mite as well add, ur VERY small bro, & I kno u think u can fix it with steroids , but its obviously not working, u hav "2 bulking cycles" under u belt & ur still tiny, ur doing something rong. U need 2 get ur diet tuned in bro.

**Black** · 01-15-2012, 07:25 AM

I wouldn't worry as much about the cigs as I would about your addictive personality. With that being said, you have no business using anabolics. Ever check your BP while on this cycle plus smoking.

**SexySweetheart** · 01-15-2012, 09:36 AM

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**blowinup** · 01-15-2012, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by lovbyts

Why so defensive?

About blowinup
Occupation:
Concreter

Age:
22

Height:
189cm

Weight:
85?

Body Fat %:
?

Training Experience:
3 years

Bodybuilding Knowledge:
Not enough...

Cycle Experience:
2nd bulking cycle

Type o mate. I was born in the year 1987 and it's my second cycle. Which is a bulking cycle... First was a cut cycle which I had no clue on and wasted alot of money which I am not prepared to do 2nd time around. Hence the "2nd" Sorry if I rushed through the info part to get onto the forum and start posting and learning... Thanks anyway mate

**blowinup** · 01-15-2012, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by Dante Diamond

I wouldn't worry as much about the cigs as I would about your addictive personality. With that being said, you have no business using anabolics. Ever check your BP while on this cycle plus smoking.

Ok mate noted. What do you think I should do about my addicitve personality, other than flick the toxins which I've done. I don't smoke don't drink my diets definitely in check so maybe you have all the answers for me

**The Bear 79** · 01-15-2012, 02:29 PM

Originally Posted by blowinup

Type o mate. I was born in the year 1987 and it's my second cycle. Which is a bulking cycle... First was a cut cycle which I had no clue on and wasted alot of money which I am not prepared to do 2nd time around. Hence the "2nd" Sorry if I rushed through the info part to get onto the forum and start posting and learning... Thanks anyway mate

Of coarse...........

......NEVER heard that one b4. Let me spare u the trouble of wut comes next........."I dont care wut u think man, I was on my fone when I registered, & I was really tired & in a hurry & I couldn't really c wut I was doing, & blah, blah, blah, blah, blah............"

......Funny how the only typo ever made round here is the age on under 25 users profiles, they never misspell their name, or wher they come from, or anything else................just the age.............Ur not the 1st champ, this same "Typo story" is told here a 1/2 dozen times a wk.

**slfmade** · 01-15-2012, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by blowinup

Ok mate noted. What do you think I should do about my addicitve personality, other than flick the toxins which I've done. I don't smoke don't drink my diets definitely in check so maybe you have all the answers for me

There's no need to be a dick...he was just trying to be helpful

**blowinup** · 01-15-2012, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by The Bear 79

Of coarse...........

......NEVER heard that one b4. Let me spare u the trouble of wut comes next........."I dont care wut u think man, I was on my fone when I registered, & I was really tired & in a hurry & I couldn't really c wut I was doing, & blah, blah, blah, blah, blah............"

......Funny how the only typo ever made round here is the age on under 25 users profiles, they never misspell their name, or wher they come from, or anything else................just the age.............Ur not the 1st champ, this same "Typo story" is told here a 1/2 dozen times a wk.

That's fine I understand there's alot of kids your trying to protect and that's a good thing but really does that mean I'm
Not entiteled to some advice because I genuinely made a mistake. Would you like an upload of identification to soothe your conscience

**warchild** · 01-15-2012, 03:22 PM

urgh how to people smoke. fn gross

**Black** · 01-15-2012, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by warchild

urgh how to people smoke. fn gross

Not my cup 'o tea either. What freaks me out, is people that smoke and workout. There have been times where I've seen someone smoking outside the gym before they come in for a workout. I feel bad for their heart. Not to mention how ba it stinks up the gym.

**shennen** · 01-15-2012, 06:30 PM

Hey man, I was in the same boat. I would wake up and be excited about one thing in life, smokin my cig. Couldn't do anything without it being a great reason to light one up.

I smoked for years and wasn't able to quit no matter how many times I 'quit' or how many things I tried.
In order to quit, I required two things, I needed to be away from my smoking friends or anyone that smoked recently, and I couldn't drive my car anymore.

The car was the hardest habbit to break. Getting away from the large large group that smoked was easy when I started to wake up and spit up blood in the shower, smokers simply became the enemy. Cigs are terrible, and they will ruin your body

You enjoy smoking like I did, and all I can say is, I hope you get mad and just start hulk crushing cigs and smokers in your path. You can't see what's happening to you when you smoke....but it is truely terrible, and I regret my decision to smoke, it cost me my voice and changed my once beautiful life around, please quit.

**BBrian** · 01-15-2012, 07:09 PM

I smoked for fifteen years, but when I decided that being winded from running up one flight of stairs was ridiculous, I quit. Using dip to satiate my cravings worked perfectly. While I was still putting nicotine into my bloodstream, I was at least no longer inhibiting my cardiovascular health or damaging my lungs. After a few months of that, chewing gum satiated my cravings for dip.

Be prepared, though, for some problems for about the next year after you have quit...really quit. As the cilia in your lungs that were constantly being singed by the heat of a cigarette regrow, they will stir up all sorts of bacteria that have been "dead" and stuck in your lungs along with tar. As this happens, the bacteria will actually come back to life (think zombie apocalypse) and can cause some nasty infections. I quit last August; since then I have had bronchitis four times, two of those instances resulted in pneumonia. Ask any RN and they will concur with similar stories from their patients.

**backinit** · 01-15-2012, 08:13 PM

Try chantax. To stop smoking. I was two packs a day tried a bunch of times to quit and chantax did it. So people do not react good to it but I had no problems. Good luck

**Joemace** · 01-16-2012, 12:35 AM

I started smoking when I was in the regiment. It seems it breeds smokers. Still haven't managed to give it up

**lovbyts** · 01-16-2012, 01:01 AM

Originally Posted by blowinup

That's fine I understand there's alot of kids your trying to protect and that's a good thing but really does that mean I'm
Not entiteled to some advice because I genuinely made a mistake. Would you like an upload of identification to soothe your conscience

It appears you have your mind set on what you are going to do so why are you looking for advice. you have been given advice but it's not what you want to hear.

Also, because you are on patches to stop smoking does not mean you have kicked it and eating right for a few days or weeks is NOT having your diet in check.

Being an ex smoker or kicking the habit means you are not using anything as a crutch and it's been MONTHS at least. Having your diet in check means you are at your proper weight, body fat % and you are in pretty damn good shape BEFORE using any gear.

I'm sure you will have your own opinions but if you are asking we are going to tell you. If you dont want to hear it then dont ask.

You are entitled to advice and it has been given many time, it's just not what you want to hear.

**blowinup** · 01-16-2012, 01:22 AM

For your information I went to the doctors today and let them know I got 5 weeks into a course and have decided to quit. I got prescribed tamoxifen cirate but I see myself having more problems with these than the steroids , the doc was a Indian whom I had no clue on what he was saying he didn't reallly even know what PCT was so I'm unsure as to what to do or how to use them, the sticker on the box says take as needed?! WTF anyway I'm not here to dismiss good advice I just wont take advice seriously from people who can't speak like human beings. Anyway I'm over it but, what weight should I be before I consider taking AAS again. And some help with creating a solid diet would also be much appreciated. I have quit the cigarettes just not the nicotine. What the doctor did say to me that I could understand is quitting cold turkey will do most people more harm than good.

**Honkey_Kong** · 01-16-2012, 03:49 AM

Originally Posted by blowinup

For your information I went to the doctors today and let them know I got 5 weeks into a course and have decided to quit. I got prescribed tamoxifen cirate but I see myself having more problems with these than the steroids, the doc was a Indian whom I had no clue on what he was saying he didn't reallly even know what PCT was so I'm unsure as to what to do or how to use them, the sticker on the box says take as needed?! WTF anyway I'm not here to dismiss good advice I just wont take advice seriously from people who can't speak like human beings. Anyway I'm over it but, what weight should I be before I consider taking AAS again. And some help with creating a solid diet would also be much appreciated. I have quit the cigarettes just not the nicotine. What the doctor did say to me that I could understand is quitting cold turkey will do most people more harm than good.

You want help developing a solid diet? Start off by writing out your current diet. Including portions, macros, feeding times, etc. Then make one or two small changes to it and see how far that takes you. You know like maybe cut down the soda or choose a grilled skinless chicken breast over a burger. Maybe add an extra meal to your schedule. It's all dependent on your goals, but the key at getting a successful diet is to make subtle changes to your current one. And keep making those changes over time.

As for your smoking, every person I know who has successfully quit smoking for more than a year did it cold turkey. It just takes will power. The same will power that brings you to the gym on days where you don't feel like lifting.

**blowinup** · 01-16-2012, 04:12 AM

Sorry champ but I'll take my doctors advice on smoking over someone on a forum. Ta anyways buddy

**Honkey_Kong** · 01-16-2012, 04:25 AM

Originally Posted by blowinup

Sorry champ but I'll take my doctors advice on smoking over someone on a forum. Ta anyways buddy

Suit yourself, but what harm did he tell you could be caused from quitting cold turkey exactly?

**lovbyts** · 01-16-2012, 04:37 AM

Originally Posted by blowinup

Sorry champ but I'll take my doctors advice on smoking over someone on a forum. Ta anyways buddy

Sounds like he is the one you should be talking to about aas also since you dont trust people on a forum. Hmmm why are you here? Oh yeah, you couldn't even understand most of what he said. LOL Maybe take an interpreter with you next time. I agree, why listen to a bunch of guys with experience when you could listen to a doctor who reads from a text book. Good choice.