How's This Look?

**falco21** · 01-15-2012, 04:45 PM

Finally got around to arranging my cycle. Currently 6'2 at around 230lbs. Pretty solid. I am a pretty big guy. Got awesome genetics from my father who was huge his whole life. I will be starting my first cycle within the next month, but just wanted to get some feedback on how it looks. I want to see if there is anything I should move around or change. Here is the cycle and the PCT.

Cycle

10 Weeks - Test E 500mg/Week - (250mg 2x/Week Monday Morning and Thursday Evening)
10 Weeks - HCG 500IU/Week - (250 IU 2x/Week)

PCT

Day 1 - 300mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg Anastrozol
Day 2-30 - 100mg Clomid / 20mg Nolva / .25mg Anastrozol
Day 31-37 - 20mg Nolva / .25mg Anastrozol

(Start PCT 2 Weeks After Last Enanthate Injection)

**Bossman** · 01-15-2012, 04:55 PM

How old are you?

Looks pretty good. 10 weeks is kinda short for Test E. Are you limited by what you have on hand? I would lengthen 2-4 weeks. HCG would not be needed until 4 weeks into your cycle IMO.

**The Bear 79** · 01-15-2012, 04:56 PM

Wut is ur BF%? Age? Goals & cycle history?

**falco21** · 01-15-2012, 05:03 PM

Age when beginning cycle is 22. Spoke with my doctor about everything and I have reached my maximum growth. I basically hit puberty when I was very very young. I was one of those kids who dealt with facial hair while in middle school. Father was big into bodybuilding. He has had many cycles under his belt as well.

Not entirely sure on the BF%, but was in mid twenties about a year ago. Lost tons of weight and put on some good size again. I have been lifting for years, but was limited recently due to a shoulder injury. Been back at hard for a little while now. Looking to jump start my gains again. This will be my first cycle, so after researching for a long time and discussing this with people, figured a basic Test E only cycle would be beneficial as my first.

As for the HCG , I have gotten mixed opinions. I spoke with my father and he said it would be good to run it the whole cycle as to prevent any issues, rather than trying to fix issues that arose. I am not limited. I will be buying the gear soon. I am trying to get this perfect before I jump into it.

**The Bear 79** · 01-15-2012, 05:09 PM

So u spoke 2 ur doc & he sez 'ur done growing" which I dont believe, but I'm not gona bother with it. That still leaves the irreversible damag u can do 2 ur undeveloped HPTA.

**songdog** · 01-15-2012, 05:13 PM

His profile says 20.Bro you got time on your hands dont rush it.

**falco21** · 01-15-2012, 05:14 PM

I knew how this would go. I am not looking for advise and people to tell me not to do it. I am looking for quality feedback about the cycle I will begin. I have spoken to many people and have spoken to my doctor, who advised me not to do it, but that my growth has stopped. I come from a family of people no taller than 5'8. My genetics are great. Again, I have everyday guidance from someone who has had tremendous amounts of experience with this.

Also, I turned 21 last year. My profile is not accurate. It is one year off. I messed up when first signing up on here and there doesn't seem to be a way of editing it.

**songdog** · 01-15-2012, 05:18 PM

Due to health risks we dont give cycle advice to anyone under 25.

**falco21** · 01-15-2012, 05:22 PM

Ok, well I will start the HCG 4 weeks into the cycle and I will also lengthen the entire cycle 3 weeks longer. I will update on the gains and such when started. I just wanted to double check and make sure I had everything in order. Thanks for the small feedback.

**The Bear 79** · 01-15-2012, 05:28 PM

Again, I ask, WUT ABOUT UR UNDEVELOPED HPTA?!?!?! Dont ignore it cuz u dont wanna face it & admit u shouldn't cycle yet.

**The Bear 79** · 01-15-2012, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by falco21

I knew how this would go. I am not looking for advise and people to tell me not to do it. I am looking for quality feedback about the cycle I will begin. I have spoken to many people and have spoken to my doctor, who advised me not to do it, but that my growth has stopped. I come from a family of people no taller than 5'8. My genetics are great. Again, I have everyday guidance from someone who has had tremendous amounts of experience with this.

Also, I turned 21 last year. My profile is not accurate. It is one year off. I messed up when first signing up on here and there doesn't seem to be a way of editing it.

If ur not lookin 4 advice then y did u ask 4 it? I kno all u want is every1 to say ur good, "go 4 it brah"

but the truth is the truth.

**falco21** · 01-15-2012, 05:30 PM

It has nothing to do with ignoring it. In all honesty, this is my body and my cycle. I understand the possible disadvantages to doing it, but like I said earlier, I didn't come here for a lesson. I came for quality feedback on a cycle I will begin. I understand perfectly though if many don't feel the need to help people under the age of 25. I completely respect that. I also appreciate the concern for the safety of young individuals as myself.

**falco21** · 01-15-2012, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by The Bear 79

If ur not lookin 4 advice then y did u ask 4 it? I kno all u want is every1 to say ur good, "go 4 it brah"

but the truth is the truth.

I am looking for advice on the cycle, not life advice.

**Sgt. Hartman** · 01-15-2012, 05:31 PM

I'd make the cycle 12 weeks and drop the adex from pct and run it on cycle instead. You don't want the estro rebound it will cause when you quit taking it at the end of pct. Other than that it looks good. Good luck man.

**The Bear 79** · 01-15-2012, 05:33 PM

All the advice u got is quality advice............its just not wut u wanted 2 hear, & just cuz its not wut u want 2 hear, doesn't mean its not still advice..........I'll say it again.....its just not wut u wanted 2 hear.

**songdog** · 01-15-2012, 05:37 PM

So not to be rude but wat part of we dont give advice to anyone under 25 didnt you understand.We are here so no one hurts themselves.Not to please spoiled brats.Grow UP.

**falco21** · 01-15-2012, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by Sgt. Hartman

I'd make the cycle 12 weeks and drop the adex from pct and run it on cycle instead. You don't want the estro rebound it will cause when you quit taking it at the end of pct. Other than that it looks good. Good luck man.

Ok cool. So lengthen the cycle and by 2 weeks and take the adex during cycle instead. I was concerned with that also. Nolva and adex I heard do not really go well together during PCT. Also I heard adex reduces the water weight. Does this have any truth to it?

**alexISthrowed** · 01-15-2012, 05:40 PM

Originally Posted by falco21

Ok cool. So lengthen the cycle and by 2 weeks and take the adex during cycle instead. I was concerned with that also. Nolva and adex I heard do not really go well together during PCT. Also I heard adex reduces the water weight. Does this have any truth to it?

Yes high estrogen will increase bloating, .25 eod should be a good starting dose on the adex at that amount of test. Swifto just made a good thread on why you should always run an ai on cycle I would recommend checking out.

**falco21** · 01-15-2012, 05:44 PM

Ok so I removed the adex from the PCT and added it into the cycle EOD at .25mg.

How does the PCT look other than that?

**DeadlyD** · 01-15-2012, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by falco21

Ok cool. So lengthen the cycle and by 2 weeks and take the adex during cycle instead. I was concerned with that also. Nolva and adex I heard do not really go well together during PCT. Also I heard adex reduces the water weight. Does this have any truth to it?

Sorry to highjack, but if running a low dose of adex during cycle would you still run the HCG ?

**The Bear 79** · 01-15-2012, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by DeadlyD

Sorry to highjack, but if running a low dose of adex during cycle would you still run the HCG ?

HCG is not an AI & is not intended 2 b used as such. Its main objective is 2 combat testicular atrophy.

**alexISthrowed** · 01-15-2012, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by DeadlyD

Sorry to highjack, but if running a low dose of adex during cycle would you still run the HCG ?

Yes, two completely different things, and op I think your pct is fine, maybe even a bit overkill.

**falco21** · 01-15-2012, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by alexISthrowed

Yes, two completely different things, and op I think your pct is fine, maybe even a bit overkill.

Elaborate on the overkill. What would you suggest differently?

**alexISthrowed** · 01-15-2012, 06:00 PM

The clomid dose seems high to me, granted I have no personal experience with clomid. I run toremifene due to lesser toxicity and I always recover very well with it. If it was me I would run toremifene 120/120/60/60 and nolva 40/40/20/20. I know there are some bad sides associated with clomid that I would be worried about at that dose. If I were to run clomid it would be 50/50/50/50.

**Sgt. Hartman** · 01-15-2012, 06:03 PM

I just noticed you had clomid at 300mg which is definitely overkill. Here's a good read on pct by Swifto: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread....#.TxNpBphuHHg

**Sgt. Hartman** · 01-15-2012, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by songdog

So not to be rude but wat part of we dont give advice to anyone under 25 didnt you understand.We are here so no one hurts themselves.Not to please spoiled brats.Grow UP.

Who is this directed toward?

**falco21** · 01-15-2012, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by Sgt. Hartman

Who is this directed toward?

Probably me. He seems to be very angry at the thought of me receiving some help.

**falco21** · 01-15-2012, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by Sgt. Hartman

I just noticed you had clomid at 300mg which is definitely overkill. Here's a good read on pct by Swifto: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread....#.TxNpBphuHHg

In this thread, he has PCT for basic cycle with just Tamex for 4 weeks at 20mg/ED. Is that sufficient enough? Just the tamex?

**Sgt. Hartman** · 01-15-2012, 06:16 PM

You misread it bro.

wk 1-6 Tamox 20mg/ED
wk 1-6 Tore 60mg/ED (120mg/ED first 14 days) OR Clomid 25mg/ED (50-100mg/ED first 7-14 days)

I like toremifene better also, never tried clomid because of the potential sides.

**falco21** · 01-15-2012, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by Sgt. Hartman

You misread it bro.

wk 1-6 Tamox 20mg/ED
wk 1-6 Tore 60mg/ED (120mg/ED first 14 days) OR Clomid 25mg/ED (50-100mg/ED first 7-14 days)

I like toremifene better also, never tried clomid because of the potential sides.

Ah ok! Yeah I read the wrong one. I probably will give the Tore a shot. It is always best for less sides. I also read mixed reviews on the Clomid. I wasn't exactly set in stone with that.