Adding winny late in a cycle

**Skills** · 01-16-2012, 07:45 AM

Hi all,

Just wanted to see if anyone can see any problems with adding in 300 mg of winny p/w in week 5 of a cycle that includes 200 mg Tren E 100 mg Tren A and 200 mg of Test C and 70 ius of GH a week. My mate is 115 kgs added around 7 kilos so far at around 9% bf and he does a lot of cardio [4 x 10 kms runs a week around 40 minutes] and also 3 intense MMA fighting sessions a week. My experience is that winny is great for cardio stuff but was a little worried about the tren and winny together being too liver toxic.

Any big risks here anyone can see why we should not do it.

Thanks, Skills.

**alexISthrowed** · 01-16-2012, 07:48 AM

Winny is going to kill his joints so I don't see him wanting to add it in if he's doing mma and runs a lot.

**Skills** · 01-16-2012, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by alexISthrowed

Winny is going to kill his joints so I don't see him wanting to add it in if he's doing mma and runs a lot.

The guy is dead set tough lol, he wants to do it, he was a professional rugby front rower, joint pain won't worry him but you make a good point and I will let him know. Thanks.

**alexISthrowed** · 01-16-2012, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by Skills

The guy is dead set tough lol, he wants to do it, he was a professional rugby front rower, joint pain won't worry him but you make a good point and I will let him know. Thanks.

He will find out lol, it will harden him up but if he's not competing I really don't see the point. I'm not a huge fan of winny for anything other than a hardener for competition. Maybe lowering shbg on longer cycles. Can he get his hands on masteron ? 10x better option imo.

**Skills** · 01-16-2012, 08:06 AM

I guess the aim is for his cardio to benefit from the winny. When i used winny it used to give me amazing cardio endurance qualities. A friend of mine used it to break a national record kayaking down one of Australia's longest rivers at the age of 38. Are you saying masteron will give the same sort of effect ? I always thought it was a type of euro tren but then again i'm no expert. We can get masteron no problem

**alexISthrowed** · 01-16-2012, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by Skills

I guess the aim is for his cardio to benefit from the winny. When i used winny it used to give amazing endurance qualities. A friend of mine used it to break a national record kayaking down on of Australia's longest rivers at the age of 38. Are you saying masteron will give the same sort of effect ? I always thought it was a type of euro tren but then again i'm no expert. We can get masteron no problem

Masteron is a dht and very similar to winny. I think masteron does what winny does 10x better without the joint problems and having to take a liver toxic 17-aa.

**Skills** · 01-16-2012, 08:13 AM

Thanks for your help Alex. We will take your advice.

Thanks again Skills.

**alexISthrowed** · 01-16-2012, 08:59 AM

Originally Posted by Skills

Thanks for your help Alex. We will take your advice.

Thanks again Skills.

No problem, I have used both, you will like masteron much better.

**marcus300** · 01-16-2012, 09:05 AM

Originally Posted by Skills

I guess the aim is for his cardio to benefit from the winny. When i used winny it used to give me amazing cardio endurance qualities. A friend of mine used it to break a national record kayaking down one of Australia's longest rivers at the age of 38. Are you saying masteron will give the same sort of effect ? I always thought it was a type of euro tren but then again i'm no expert. We can get masteron no problem

Winny wont effect his cardio and if thats the only reason for taking it I wouldn't introduce it. Masteron wont help his cardio either infact masteron will aid hardness and condition but with winny you will get some lean gains.

**gixxerboy1** · 01-16-2012, 09:10 AM

Tren will effect his cardio in a bad way

**alexISthrowed** · 01-16-2012, 09:20 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

Winny wont effect his cardio and if thats the only reason for taking it I wouldn't introduce it. Masteron wont help his cardio either infact masteron will aid hardness and condition but with winny you will get some lean gains.

Can you elaborate on this a little bit?

**marcus300** · 01-16-2012, 09:39 AM

Originally Posted by alexISthrowed

Can you elaborate on this a little bit?

Masteron is a great addition to many stacks and will give a granite apprearance and hardness like no other but as far as producing gains in lean tissue its limited, were winny will produce lean dry gains.

**Skills** · 01-16-2012, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

Tren will effect his cardio in a bad way

Guess different things for different people. I have never noticed a negative effect on cardio from Tren and I know my friend has not either. The only thing i have learnt about tren lately is never take it when you have the flu. My friend dropped in a 15 minute tren coughing fit a few weeks ago after taking it while suffering from the flu

It was funny for me but all I could say was get to the bathroom and don't chuck up on my carpet. He was dead set frothing and drooling from the mouth and it lasted a good 15 minutes til he was finally right. At least I told him this was a typical reaction and he was not going to die. I am pretty sure he thought he was going die though lol. Anyway, I enjoyed the show

**Times Roman** · 01-16-2012, 09:46 AM

not a big fan of winnie....

after taking, threw out about 8gms of powder. killed my joints

**Skills** · 01-16-2012, 09:55 AM

Originally Posted by alexISthrowed

No problem, I have used both, you will like masteron much better.

After reading about it I am going to add it in as well

**alexISthrowed** · 01-16-2012, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by marcus300

Masteron is a great addition to many stacks and will give a granite apprearance and hardness like no other but as far as producing gains in lean tissue its limited, were winny will produce lean dry gains.

Thanks marcus!