First Cycle

**jobin1** · 01-16-2012, 12:06 PM

Hey Guys,

Been doing a lot of reading/thinking and am going to be running my first cycle shortly.

Stats: 29 years, 5'9, 200lbs, 16% bf, over 5 years lifting, diet is in check (now that I'm cutting), DL: 405, Bench: 275, Squat 365
I have 7 weeks before vacation and am looking at running this:

60mg of Anavar and 50mgs of Winny ED for 4 weeks.
A friend told me I wouldn't need estrogen blockers or need to run a PCT after (But I think I want to just in case)

Planning on taking Milk thistle for liver damage.

Thoughts? I am going to be hammered for my duration of the vacation so I would like to recover the liver as fast as possible.

Edit: I know this is not an ideal first cycle, but based on the fact that I want to do oral/Anavar seems the mildest/I only have 6 weeks total/don't care about cost - is there anything wrong with this?

**gixxerboy1** · 01-16-2012, 12:09 PM

that is a horrible cycle i would never run that at all. Your wasting time and money. And yes you would need pct.

**jobin1** · 01-16-2012, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

that is a horrible cycle i would never run that at all. Your wasting time and money. And yes you would need pct.

I'm not really looking for anything serious. Just a little help...I get goods gains/cuts with my cutting routine/diet.
Explain on why its horrible...I was thinking of running var by itself previously...

**will-london** · 01-16-2012, 12:29 PM

Var shuts you down bad. Decent pct is a must

**jobin1** · 01-16-2012, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by will-london

Var shuts you down bad. Decent pct is a must

Thanks...how about clomid?

**jobin1** · 01-16-2012, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by will-london

Var shuts you down bad. Decent pct is a must

Thanks...how about clomid?

**bodybuilder** · 01-16-2012, 01:54 PM

This is a horrible first cycle bro. First cycle should always be test alone at 500mg a week for 10-12 weeks. You say you been doing a lot of reading but its not showing with this cycle lay out my man.

**Nooomoto** · 01-16-2012, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by pitbulllock

This is a horrible first cycle bro. First cycle should always be test alone at 500mg a week for 10-12 weeks. You say you been doing a lot of reading but its not showing with this cycle lay out my man.

This...x2

Also, 200 lbs at 16% bf doesn't sound.like your diet is too great.

**jobin1** · 01-16-2012, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by pitbulllock

This is a horrible first cycle bro. First cycle should always be test alone at 500mg a week for 10-12 weeks. You say you been doing a lot of reading but its not showing with this cycle lay out my man.

I don't like needles...also don't want anything too hard. I was thinking just anavar because its mild, but then someone told me about combining with winny...
Sorry, for what I'm looking for this seems right for me - and have been reading about the different type of ones.

**jobin1** · 01-16-2012, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by Nooomoto

This...x2

Also, 200 lbs at 16% bf doesn't sound.like your diet is too great.

Dirty bulked...I over exaggerated a bit...probably at 14%...

**alexISthrowed** · 01-16-2012, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by jobin1

I don't like needles...also don't want anything too hard. I was thinking just anavar because its mild, but then someone told me about combining with winny...
Sorry, for what I'm looking for this seems right for me - and have been reading about the different type of ones.

Then you have no business running aas imo. Pinning yourself with a little 25g needle is nothing.

**bodybuilder** · 01-16-2012, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by alexISthrowed

Then you have no business running aas imo. Pinning yourself with a little 25g needle is nothing.

X2 You need to man up and pin or stay away from AAS. If you do go ahead and run the winny and var two things will happen. You will shut down hard and at the end loss all your gains. This is why oral only cycles are no good, in the end you dont gain.

**jobin1** · 01-16-2012, 04:38 PM

Originally Posted by alexISthrowed

Then you have no business running aas imo. Pinning yourself with a little 25g needle is nothing.

Originally Posted by pitbulllock

X2 You need to man up and pin or stay away from AAS. If you do go ahead and run the winny and var two things will happen. You will shut down hard and at the end loss all your gains. This is why oral only cycles are no good, in the end you dont gain.

I'm not looking to gain massive size or crazy strength gains. I am looking for a cutting cycle that is mild.
From reading what var does and from other peoples experiences who have ran it by itself, I don't know why it's a waste to do so.

I will only shut down if I do too much var.

Are you both saying if I do 50mg of var a day, I will see no difference? Its useless? Or is it useless compared to a real stack? Because I don't care for doing test or any other "real" cycle.

**alexISthrowed** · 01-16-2012, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by jobin1

I'm not looking to gain massive size or crazy strength gains. I am looking for a cutting cycle that is mild.
From reading what var does and from other peoples experiences who have ran it by itself, I don't know why it's a waste to do so.

I will only shut down if I do too much var.

Are you both saying if I do 50mg of var a day, I will see no difference? Its useless? Or is it useless compared to a real stack? Because I don't care for doing test or any other "real" cycle.

I would be more worried about the winny than the var. If your gonna do something do it right, take test.

**blade1980uk** · 01-16-2012, 05:54 PM

Var will not work at 50 mg a day body needs 80 to 100. Mg win will take two weeks to settle in and prob will stop your dick getting hard I would listen to these guys they really know what there on about the best thing to run now would be test prop in and out in 2 days and would give you the lean hard look

**Nooomoto** · 01-16-2012, 06:09 PM

If you don't care about doing a "real cycle" then why bother doing one in the first place? You dont need gear to cut, just a good diet. You're risking so much to achieve a goal that can be done in a much safer way.

**denverpride** · 01-16-2012, 06:25 PM

You mentioned that you don't want to do anything "too serious". People here will take serious offense to this as many of us take the science very serious. I think you may need to spend more time researching this subject.

**BBrian** · 01-16-2012, 06:39 PM

Have you read over the Anavar profile on this site? At any rate, whoever told you to run Anavar with Winstrol probably isn't very experienced or well-rounded in the realm of AAS's. You should only use one or the other, and if you're looking for "mildness", stay away from the winny. These guys are giving you great advice, try to be a little less objective and reconsider what you have already made up your mind about. If using needles is such a taboo for you, there are oral testosterone options out there. Using Anavar by itself at 80-100mg per day will certainly prove to cut fat off of your body, but you won't enjoy the sexual side-effects very much. To reiterate the info above, you really need to use testosterone as well, and you don't have to do a lot.