Need some good advice!

**urbancowboy** · 01-17-2012, 01:06 PM

I need some advice on how I should take my next cycle. I have been on this site a bunch and appreciate the comments from before. I am taking my second cycle. I have been researching and what I have read and what my aka Sponsor says is different. So Let me tell you what I have and what was suggested to me on how I should take it. I will give you my stats. I am 5'11 174 lbs with 10BF% I looking to gain 5 lbs of lean muscle and harden everything up. 10 week cycle.

Test ent 300 mg a week 1-10

equipose 2nd week 125mg 1/2 cc
3rd week 125mg 1/2 cc
4th 250mg 1 cc
5th 375mg 1 1/2 cc
6th 375 mg 1 1/2 cc
7th 375 mg 1 1/2 cc
8th 375 mg 1 1/2 cc
9 th 250mg 1cc
10th 1/2 cc finished

following with nolv 2 weeks after for four weeks

on top of that i have 50 pills 50mg each of some winnie. start taking them a day 12 and take them every day except my one day off until finished

So I have been reading alot and some people say go big at first with the eq and then taper down. What do you think????
Also some say take the winnie my last 50 day of the 10 week cycle?

**tomt45** · 01-17-2012, 11:13 PM

How old are you? That is a kind of a low dose of test e. You could run 400-500mg per week. Start with your normal dose of equipoise right away. It takes about 4 weeks before you notice much of anything from both test e and equipoise. So it would make no sense to taper up on equipoise. Also it is not necessary to taper down. Take the same doses every week of the cycle. Also since it takes 4 weeks to feel much of anything I would run it for a total of 12 weeks. If I were to do this I would probably do 500mg of test e and 400mg of equipoise weekly split up into 2 injections. Are you planning to run adex or aromasin while on cycle? Cause you should... Only nolva for pct? I would suggest doing your pct like this clomid 100/50/50/50 nolva 40/40/20/20. Also look into hcg . I have never used it yet but all of these guys suggest using so I plan to use it for every cycle and pct in the future.

**tomt45** · 01-17-2012, 11:28 PM

A few more things. Saw in your profile that you are 33 so disregard the question about you age. So you plan to run winstrol for 50 days? That is almost 7 weeks. Personally I only like to run orals for 4-5 weeks just due to the stress put on your liver. Some guys go way longer than that so that is just my opinion. I would suggest getting some sort of liver protection like Liv-52. Also I would suggest running short esthers in the future for a cutting cycle. Since your goals are just to gain 5lbs and harden up you could easily do that with just test prop and winstrol.

What did you do for you first cycle? How long have you been training? Did you have decent results for you first cycle and did you keep your gains from your first cycle? I ask only because 5'10 174 is kinda small for having run a cycle(no offense!)

**Donjuice** · 01-19-2012, 04:05 AM

Run your test every. 5 days. 500mg. No need to Taper.

**urbancowboy** · 01-19-2012, 11:20 AM

I gained 10 to 12 lbs on the first cycle (test e and deca 300 mg a week for 10 weeks. 2 Years ago I weighed about 220 lbs and dropped my weight to 160 lbs over a year period. I did not work out then i just did massive cardio and diet. I worked out off and on my whole life. I have maintained most of my gains. So i have been working out steady and dieting for the last year. My last cycle ended in november 2011. So I could only get this gear. I am kinda limited. I cant get clomid very easyly. or any more test or eq right know. I would have to wait 2 months. i DO HAVE A STANDING ORDER FOR NOLVA AND CLOMID HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE HERE IN 10 WEEKS. OTHER WISE I WAS GOING TO GET SOME OVER THE COUNTER STUFF. i DO TAKE MILK THISSEL. Unfortunately the guy that gets my stuff doesn't use pct's at all. I know its crazy so it seems harder to get from him. So do you think I should try to get some adex or order it off line. Or just take the risk? I will start taking the eq evenly. Thanks alot for your help. Sorry I not around the computer all the time i will recheck tomm morning. Thanks again.

**tomt45** · 01-19-2012, 11:31 AM

Don't take the risk get some adex or aromasin . That is really dumb that your guy don't do pct. Normally you can't plug websites but check out www.ar-r.com they sponser this board and you can get adex, aromasin, nolva, and clomid through them. I wouldn't start your cycle until you have this stuff though...

**gixxerboy1** · 01-19-2012, 11:33 AM

so this is your 2nd cycle?
forget the eq. Most people think eq is absolutely useless. But even IF you believe it works you are running to low of a dose for 2 short of a time frame.
Just use test and winny.
Do not start your cycle until you have clomid and nolva in hand. And if you just finished your last cycle in nov its good to wait a little bit anyway.
If your guy cant get it or takes to long. Order you pct and an ai for while on cycle from ar-r

1-10 test e 300mg
7-12 winny 50mg ed
13 start pct

**The Bear 79** · 01-19-2012, 11:37 AM

Ur pretty thin bro. I would get my diet tuned in & possibly mak some tweaks 2 my training routine b4 cycling. And I don't mean mak the changes & then jump on the cycle, I mean make the changes, implement them for a couple yrs, put on a good, natural foundation, & THEN think about cycling. Otherwise ur just throwing ur money away, u WILL NOT keep the gains u mak on this cycle, & there is a very good possibility, by the end of ur PCT or shortly after, u will actually weigh less than u did when u started the cycle. If ur gona do it, u mite as well do it the rite way.

**urbancowboy** · 01-19-2012, 05:33 PM

Thanks for all the good advice. It looks like i need to wait a awhile and get some more test and eq, since i already have it. I just ordered some nolva/clomid, and dex. I do have agreat diet. I actually have a friend that's a nutritionist. She has Has me eating awesome 7 meals a day. Taking about 220 to 240 on protein and eating all my vegs, fiber, carbs etc. I dont want to be super big. I like being thin and muscular. I play a lot of soccer and boxing. The most i want to weigh is 185lbs. I am 34 years old and got great gains out of the last cycle. I just want to cut some of the fat and harden up and gain whatever I gain. I know i am no professional. That's why I am asking you guys. I appreciate all the help.

**JohnnyVegas** · 01-19-2012, 06:34 PM

Jeez, 185 at 5' 11" should be as easy as eating enough, lifting right and getting enough rest. Hard to imagine you need to put a strain on your body doing two or three cycles and PCT to get up to 185.

Not criticizing, just noting that maybe you don't have your fundamentals down and AAS fills that void, but with a possible health risk.

**Sly_theCat** · 01-21-2012, 11:33 PM

Originally Posted by urbancowboy

I gained 10 to 12 lbs on the first cycle (test e and deca 300 mg a week for 10 weeks. 2 Years ago I weighed about 220 lbs and dropped my weight to 160 lbs over a year period. I did not work out then i just did massive cardio and diet. I worked out off and on my whole life. I have maintained most of my gains. So i have been working out steady and dieting for the last year. My last cycle ended in november 2011. So I could only get this gear. I am kinda limited. I cant get clomid very easyly. or any more test or eq right know. I would have to wait 2 months. i DO HAVE A STANDING ORDER FOR NOLVA AND CLOMID HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE HERE IN 10 WEEKS. OTHER WISE I WAS GOING TO GET SOME OVER THE COUNTER STUFF. i DO TAKE MILK THISSEL. Unfortunately the guy that gets my stuff doesn't use pct's at all. I know its crazy so it seems harder to get from him. So do you think I should try to get some adex or order it off line. Or just take the risk? I will start taking the eq evenly. Thanks alot for your help. Sorry I not around the computer all the time i will recheck tomm morning. Thanks again.

Wait the 2months for the extra gear. Yes very dumb your guy don't do PCT. But tomt45 is correct. don't start unless you have PCT. Your only eff'in yourself.

**Sly_theCat** · 01-21-2012, 11:36 PM

with your friend (nutritionist); eating that much protein on a clean diet. You should have no problems getting great gains! but just wait for the extra gear and make SURE too include PCT's.

**songdog** · 01-22-2012, 06:26 AM

Not trying to be rude but something isnt right.You are to light for your height be it your diet or training something isnt right.And until you sort it out you wont progress.You need to do some research on wat you are doing and one thing comes to my mind when I think about your weight.You arent ready for aas you are using it as a shortcut.Bad idea but you will learn.