waiting to add adex?

[DeadlyD]

I will be starting my first cycle in march of this year, my stats are, 29,6'2" 225lbs, bf %17,lifting seriously for the last 2 years solid,and diet is bang on for the last 2 months, hoping to put on around 10-15lbs of lean mass, cycle will be,

Weeks 1-10-Test E 500mgs (250mgs Monday,250mgs Thursday )
PCT - nolvadex 40/40/20/20
Starting 2 weeks after last shot.

I have 1mg arimadex (caps) aswell, my question is can i wait a couple weeks after my first shot to start the adex just to see if i need it on cycle? Id rather not ad more drugs then i need too. Also if i am gyno prone what would be early signs to tell me to start the adex?

[gixxerboy1]

read this thread and see if you still feel the same way

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...2#.TxcRpYH6KJo

[felk87]

You need clomid for pct. and i would advice using hcg as well during cycle and stoping one week before pct.but yes read that and you really should use an ai.

[DeadlyD]

Yes that was a great post by swifto! I do agree with using an on cycle AI, Im just wanting to limit extra toxic compounds that's all, my plan was to run .25mgs adex E3D to start, and raise if needed. When should the adex start,from the very first shot? Also i will get clomid for PCT,and i will have nolvadex on hand

[BBrian]

You need clomid for pct. and i would advice using hcg as well during cycle and stoping one week before pct.but yes read that and you really should use an ai.

I agree with the use of HCG completely, but he does not absolutely need clomid for pct. 10 weeks of test enanthate @500mg per week being followed up with only nolvadex for pct would prove to be just fine I believe. The addition of clomid certainly is beneficial, but not completely necessary.

[gixxerboy1]

use both the clomid and nolva for pct.
Yes i would start the a-dex the first shot

[DeadlyD]

use both the clomid and nolva for pct.
Yes i would start the a-dex the first shot

Is using the HCG necessary for my cycle, Im not sure if my source carries it .

[BBrian]

Is using the HCG necessary for my cycle, Im not sure if my source carries it .

Again, it isn't absolutely necessary considering that your cycle is so light, but it certainly will help in both short and long term regards, as you are going to have gonad atrophy. If you can get your hands on some, I would highly recommend it.

[DeadlyD]

Again, it isn't absolutely necessary considering that your cycle is so light, but it certainly will help in both short and long term regards, as you are going to have gonad atrophy. If you can get your hands on some, I would highly recommend it.

What is the dose and procedure for HCG?

[felk87]

Again, it isn't absolutely necessary considering that your cycle is so light, but it certainly will help in both short and long term regards, as you are going to have gonad atrophy. If you can get your hands on some, I would highly recommend it.

Regardless of how light it is, it will shut his nat test levels down...i think is better to run it as it will help keep gains after cycle, and will help his hpta recovee faster, its cheap and i think its a wise move.

[felk87]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...Pregnyl%29-FAQ worth reading and learning.

[BBrian]

Regardless of how light it is, it will shut his nat test levels down...i think is better to run it as it will help keep gains after cycle, and will help his hpta recovee faster, its cheap and i think its a wise move.

Right, that's what I said..."as you are going to have gonad atrophy".

[DeadlyD]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...Pregnyl%29-FAQ worth reading and learning.

Very interesting thread, thanks bro,

[DeadlyD]

So if Im using adex from the beginning and HCG the last 4 weeks would i drop the adex when i start the HCG? And the HCG would stay all the way thru PCT with the clomid and nolvadex ?

[felk87]

So if Im using adex from the beginning and HCG the last 4 weeks would i drop the adex when i start the HCG? And the HCG would stay all the way thru PCT with the clomid and nolvadex ?

No, you can run both hcg and adex no prob....i would stop the adex 2 weeks before pct and run hcg until one week before pct.

[mirin_serratus]

I will be starting my first cycle in march of this year, my stats are, 29,6'2" 225lbs, bf %17,lifting seriously for the last 2 years solid

I have been lifting for over 12 years i have had so many different routines,i know my way around the gym just looking for new ideas!

i move heavy things!

op is a troll

[BBrian]

Perhaps he means that he has been lifting for over 12 years in total, but has been more serious during the last two years, or perhaps even he accidentally missed typing the number 1 before the 2. Either way, I wouldn't consider him to be a pathological liar just yet. His questions have been purely directed in the pursuit of knowledge.

[DeadlyD]

op is a troll

You f**kin funny !, i have been lifting fir 12 years (total) last 2 very seriously. Before flaming people make sure you have your FACTS! Just trying to learn, like most people in here!

[DeadlyD]

Perhaps he means that he has been lifting for over 12 years in total, but has been more serious during the last two years, or perhaps even he accidentally missed typing the number 1 before the 2. Either way, I wouldn't consider him to be a pathological liar just yet. His questions have been purely directed in the pursuit of knowledge.

Thanks for your help Brian

[DeadlyD]

PCT= nolvadex @ 40/40/20/20
clomid@100/100/50/50
And 500iu HCG ed for the last 4 weeks of test E when stop the HCG and start nolva and clomid 2 weeks after last shot of test?? Can i mix the HCG in with the test shots?

[felk87]

PCT= nolvadex @ 40/40/20/20
clomid@100/100/50/50
And 500iu HCG ed for the last 4 weeks of test E when stop the HCG and start nolva and clomid 2 weeks after last shot of test?? Can i mix the HCG in with the test shots?

i have read about people mixing the hcg with the test, but i find it better to just use a slin and pin your stomach sq, also why are you waiting till 4 weeks to start hcg? the sooner you start the better it will be to recover.

[MR10X]

PCT= nolvadex @ 40/40/20/20
clomid@100/100/50/50
And 500iu HCG ed for the last 4 weeks of test E when stop the HCG and start nolva and clomid 2 weeks after last shot of test?? Can i mix the HCG in with the test shots?

You can mix them together but i would do HCG with an insulin syringe,and 500iu is not needed ED,500i EOD or every third day would be fine.doing it the last 4 weeks should be fine,but i would include the 2 weeks after your last test shot,then start your nolvadex and clomid.I would do the ADEX 1mg EOD when you start your cycle,you want to keep the estrogen levels low,high estrogen does nothing good for you and will make recovery harder.Estrogen is more surpressive than test....

[gixxerboy1]

^^^1mg of adex eod is high to start at IMO
I agree on the hcg every 3rd day

[jandj]

I'm using hcg at 250 e3d. I've just taken one shot and I notice great improvement to my buddies down there .?im currently on a 8 week deca and 10 week sust cycle by the way.

[jandj]

I'm using hcg at 250 e3d. I've just taken one shot and I notice great improvement to my buddies down there .?im currently on a 8 week deca and 10 week sust cycle by the way.

so 500 iu Ed may be an overkill IMO

[felk87]

so 500 iu Ed may be an overkill IMO

is that you opinion is that a question i am confused?

[DeadlyD]

Ok so 6 weeks of HCG ending 2 weeks after last test shot then start nolva and clomid for 4 weeks? And i was planning on using the adex @.25 eod starting 2 weeks after first test shot does this sound right?

[DeadlyD]

Also i wanted to know if using test prop for the first 2weeks to front load while Im waiting for the test E to kick in is a good idea fir a first cycle ? If so at what dose?

[gixxerboy1]

Ok so 6 weeks of HCG ending 2 weeks after last test shot then start nolva and clomid for 4 weeks? And i was planning on using the adex @.25 eod starting 2 weeks after first test shot does this sound right?

I would use the a-dex from the first week. But the everything else looks good.

Also i wanted to know if using test prop for the first 2weeks to front load while Im waiting for the test E to kick in is a good idea fir a first cycle ? If so at what dose?

I dont think there is a need to kickstart it this time. Just run the test e

[DeadlyD]

I would use the a-dex from the first week. But the everything else looks good.

I dont think there is a need to kickstart it this time. Just run the test e

Thanks for your help again gixxer

[DamageDealer]

so 500 iu Ed may be an overkill IMO

500IU ED on cycle is definitely an overkill. a normal dosage is 250IU twice a week.

[felk87]

500IU ED on cycle is definitely an overkill. a normal dosage is 250IU twice a week.

agreed, but one week before pct do 250 ius ed, it will help recover and keep gains much better.

[DeadlyD]

Just wondering if anyone on a similar cycle has tapered off the test in the last couple weeks?,like going 500 weeks 1-8 then 250 week 9 and 100 week 10. Would this make PCT easier?

[DeadlyD]

Just wondering if anyone on a similar cycle has tapered off the test in the last couple weeks?,like going 500 weeks 1-8 then 250 week 9 and 100 week 10. Would this make PCT easier?

Anyone?