winny/proviron/tren ace/hcg

**ItalianPride** · 01-19-2012, 08:53 AM

Running this cycle to lose some bf%...been on the providing 50mg ed along w the winstrol at 70mg. Not losing any weight...Berenice 6 days now. I feel a bit more horny from the providing, not much though. Monday I through in hcg and Tren ace at 50mg ed and my blood pressure is going up already ... Ima run that for 3 weeks just to get some stregnth gains and avoid the crash...but since I got. A testosterone score of 300 at age 24 due to not recovery from pct from first cycle...can I throw in tamox at 20mg ed w a frame of tribstan sopharma to up my test scores? That will def get me down to 195 lbs again...I'm 220 now Haha also..should I do a gnc cleanse for the winny and prov to work better?

**DanB** · 01-19-2012, 09:35 AM

there's alot wrong there bro, can we get some stats first and current diet

**tomt45** · 01-19-2012, 10:44 AM

Stats? Why arent you using test? Why are you even doing steroids if you want to cut from 220 to 195? That can be done with good diet and cardio. If you goal is simply to cut bf% don't do steriods ! You need to work on your diet and routine.

What is your diet like?

Clen might be a better option than aas imo...

If you are going to run this cycle I would suggest doing 50mg of test, 50mg of tren a and 50 mg of winstrol ed. Start the hcg after week 1 and all the way through pct. Then you should add a ai like arimidex or aromasin . Save the nolva for pct. What is your plan for pct? Since you said you didn't recover the last time you should come up with a good pct plan.

**ItalianPride** · 01-19-2012, 12:36 PM

I don't want to get shut down from test again..it sucked...my diet is 2194.2 221.54 216 47.28 for week one. I have clen bit it makes me so out of breathe n my muscular endurance is shot after 5 days on that shit..got t3 from are but Idk if they made it rightsince hey got itback on-the- site..seems watery n doesn't work lol

**DanB** · 01-19-2012, 12:39 PM

dont want to be shut down from test? do you have a clue what you are doing then? obviously not because tren is a 19nor and WILL shut you down hard

**DanB** · 01-19-2012, 12:41 PM

what was your first cycle and what pct did you run? if you suffer from low test now i dread to think what you will be like after running tren

**ItalianPride** · 01-19-2012, 12:45 PM

I also don't want to get bigger from the test.

**DanB** · 01-19-2012, 12:47 PM

you need to stop what your doing immediately, run a small pct otherwise im willing to bet you will suffer low test problems in near future and prob end up on trt, the way you are abusing steroids is partly the reason why they are percieved to be so dangerous and get such a bad rep

**ItalianPride** · 01-19-2012, 12:49 PM

First cycle was pro 100 eod and var 100mg ed... I all I did was get fat after first injection...yeah I know that about Tren ...I feel gains already n Ima get of in a couple of weeks . Pct was horrible w acne n tiredness and fatigue after first cycle..I did clomid and tamox for 5 weeks..neverbeen the same ... sucks

**DanB** · 01-19-2012, 12:51 PM

Originally Posted by DanB

you need to stop what your doing immediately, run a small pct otherwise im willing to bet you will suffer low test problems in near future and prob end up on trt, the way you are abusing steroids is partly the reason why they are percieved to be so dangerous and get such a bad rep

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i'll say it again, this is your best option

**ItalianPride** · 01-19-2012, 12:52 PM

Abusing steroids ? Uhhh I ran my first cycle for 7 weeks w proper pct. Now itsbeen 1 year in 2 months n I'm using again..how am I abusing? Thanks for the replies btw

**DanB** · 01-19-2012, 01:03 PM

you are running a 19nor with no test on your second cycle and you already have borderline low test at age of 24, this is abuse, ive given my advise on what you need to do but obviously it isnt what you want to hear, id start researching trt if i were you, best of luck

**ItalianPride** · 01-19-2012, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by DanB

you are running a 19nor with no test on your second cycle and you already have borderline low test at age of 24, this is abuse, ive given my advise on what you need to do but obviously it isnt what you want to hear, id start researching trt if i were you, best of luck

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Ill stop the Tren n run tamox 40/40/20/20/20 along w thehcg / providing and winny?

**DanB** · 01-19-2012, 01:29 PM

no stop everything and run clomid/nolva 50/25/25/25 and 40/20/20/20

then get bloods done in 2-3 months after pct

**alexISthrowed** · 01-19-2012, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by ItalianPride

I also don't want to get bigger from the test.

But your taking tren ???? This is a terrible cycle, I would recommend stopping it immediately and starting pct, listen to dan.

**tomt45** · 01-19-2012, 02:33 PM

If I were you I would take these guys advice and stop everything right now and start pct. If you consider doing this in the future do some more research. Test should be the base for every cycle. You should never run anything but espeically NEVER run a 19nor like tren or deca without test.

If you don't want to get bigger why would you do steroids at all? That makes no sense to me.

You asked how you are abusing. Well first of all your are running steroids without testosterone . You are running tren on your second cycle. If you are aleady experiencing low test levels at your age you are doing something wrong!

**ItalianPride** · 01-19-2012, 07:08 PM

Do I need estrogen blocker? Do I need clomidd? I got tamox Ima start tomorrow cuz I'm easily getting fat! I came off a tstbooster n I'm 230 now ...XML. can I just run hxg 200ed tamox.

**alexISthrowed** · 01-19-2012, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by ItalianPride

Do I need estrogen blocker? Do I need clomidd? I got tamox Ima start tomorrow cuz I'm easily getting fat! I came off a tstbooster n I'm 230 now ...XML. can I just run hxg 200ed tamox.

This will do absolutely 100% nothing in terms of losing fat. You need to get your diet straightened out.

**DanB** · 01-19-2012, 07:25 PM

Originally Posted by DanB

no stop everything and run clomid/nolva 50/25/25/25 and 40/20/20/20

then get bloods done in 2-3 months after pct

op to answer your previous question, yes you need them both for your PCT because you NEED to stop your current ''cycle'' immediately

**ItalianPride** · 01-19-2012, 07:25 PM

Alex..thanks for the replybut I dontbro..before I used I ate w.e I want n still had a six pack. I'd like to get things back to normal. Low test levels! Tamox n hcg ? Since I have hcg on hand...BTW my ballsnever shrank on cycle

**DanB** · 01-19-2012, 07:29 PM

ok then go take some magic beans or something i dont know but you are pi$$ing in the wind with what your doing now and WILL make your low test problems worse, and ive tried my best to advise you but you are chosing not to take it, just do us a favour and post your next bloods in 3 months that WILL show very low test so we can use this thread as a sticky for clueless newbies like yourself to show how not to run a cycle, best of luck im out

**ItalianPride** · 01-19-2012, 07:46 PM

Dude I'm just asking if cxlomid is mandatory ... cuz I have to get it but I want to start the tamox tomorrow u ****..I'm. Taking yer advice abroad ...I'm stopping my shit after I just spent 400 .bux. what's wrong w u raging on a newbie?

**DanB** · 01-19-2012, 07:56 PM

Originally Posted by ItalianPride

Alex..thanks for the replybut I dontbro..before I used I ate w.e I want n still had a six pack. I'd like to get things back to normal. Low test levels! Tamox n hcg? Since I have hcg on hand...BTW my ballsnever shrank on cycle

this is wrong with me, you basically said fvck you im grand and it has taken 6 posts since i advised to stop and start pct saying virtually same thing over and over again to make you see sense, but nevertheless im glad you are taking the advise on board and starting your pct, you need edit out the prices but the money is nothing compared to being able to have sex without needing viagra for many years to come

**ItalianPride** · 01-25-2012, 03:43 PM

OK so, here's the latest. I have a full liquid tamox from ar-r n a lil liquid clomi left from them too. 5 days ago I started clomi 35mg every day before bed with 50mg dhea. Yesterday I got a full bottle of clomiphene or w.e from extreme peptides 50mg per ml ..I used 100mg of that w the 40mg tamox I been doing. So 7 days 100mg w the clomid then back down to 50 . For the tamox 40for 7 days then back down to 20 for the rest or the 5 weeks along w @ gram of dhea. I must say I feel very energized n I lost 5 lbs w.o dieting so far. I hope this is working Ans its not just the dhea. Replies are thanks!

**ItalianPride** · 01-27-2012, 10:07 AM

BumpJ

**gixxerboy1** · 01-27-2012, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by ItalianPride

Abusing steroids? Uhhh I ran my first cycle for 7 weeks w proper pct. Now itsbeen 1 year in 2 months n I'm using again..how am I abusing? Thanks for the replies btw

because you did it so young you probably screwed your hpta up. That is why you have low test at 24.
You have no idea how steroids work. Tren is far more suppressive to natural test levels then test is.
The fact of you getting fat or cutting on cycle depends on your diet.