First Cycle need Opinion

**horizon** · 01-19-2012, 12:53 PM

I am 40 you 5-10 188lbs on my first conservative cycle. I just want to make sure I am not doing something stupid

test cyp 150mg 2x/wk (week 1-10)
omnitrope (growth Hormone ) 2IU (starting week 5)
Arimedex 0.5 mg 2x/wk

PCT
Clomid 25mg qd (4 weeks)
Arimedex 0.5mg 2x/wk (4 weeks)

Questions are should I do HCG during the cycle and PCT? IF so how much? Does my PCT seem adaquate? I relaize my test is on the consevative side but I am seeing gains that I like on that dose. I am currently week 6.

**BBrian** · 01-19-2012, 02:17 PM

You should be using the Arimidex during the cycle, not post cycle. Also, how long do you intend to inject the Omnitrope and how much per day are you injecting?

**baseline_9** · 01-19-2012, 02:18 PM

Yes start the HCG ASAP at 250IU's 2 x per week and run it up until 4 days out from PCT... (how much HCG do you have)

A basic PCT for a cycle like this may be as follows

Nolva 40 20 20 20 20 20
Clomid 100 50 25 25 25 25

No need for an AI while in PCT as there is no exogenous test to convert to estrogen anyway

I would also drop your AI dosage to 0.25mg EOD

**ScotchGuard02** · 01-19-2012, 02:29 PM

I would start using the HGH a couple of months before I start my AAS cycle and keep it up for at least 6 months.

**Hitman Heimler** · 01-19-2012, 02:41 PM

Agreed, Scotch! HGH is something of a long term thing rather than a quick type of drug. The Testosterone is no problem, as I have done a cycle of only 250mg a week and had amazing results, still.

**horizon** · 01-20-2012, 05:56 PM

Not sure why my other post did not make it but should I continue HCG during the PCT... I plan on using the HGH for 6 months. Is there a big difference of arimedex .5 2x/wk compared to 0.25 EOD? I think it has a long half life...

**horizon** · 01-20-2012, 05:59 PM

So my new plan is
Test Cyp 150 mg 2x/wk (week 1-10)
Omnitrope 2IU 5 on 2 off ( 6 months)
HCG 250 IU 2x/wk (week 5-10)
Arimedex 0.25 EOD

week 11 HCG 250 IU 2x/wk

PCT (week 12-15)
Clomid 100 50 25 25 25
Nolva 40 20 20 20 20
HCG 250 IU 2x/wk

**horizon** · 01-20-2012, 06:15 PM

One more question...If I dont need arimedex PCT because I do not have any exogenous testosteone that is converting to estrogen the why do I need nolova? Nolvadex blocks estrogen at the receptor. Thanks

**Sgt. Hartman** · 01-20-2012, 08:17 PM

Because tamox blocks estrogen at the pituitary and hypothalamus and quickly tricks them into producing androgens by increasing FSH and LH. That signals the testes to start producing testosterone again.

You should read up on PCT in the PCT forum here.

**DeadlyD** · 01-20-2012, 08:50 PM

Ya you should check out swifto's post on PCT.... Sorry i don't know how to include links !!

RA · 01-20-2012, 08:56 PM

haha the first one wasnt so good...someone with some brains gave you advice here...good

Originally Posted by horizon

So my new plan is
Test Cyp 150 mg 2x/wk (week 1-10)
Omnitrope 2IU 5 on 2 off ( 6 months)
HCG 250 IU 2x/wk (week 5-10)
Arimedex 0.25 EOD

week 11 HCG 250 IU 2x/wk

PCT (week 12-15)
Clomid 100 50 25 25 25
Nolva 40 20 20 20 20
HCG 250 IU 2x/wk

RA · 01-20-2012, 09:02 PM

No need for that....

RA · 01-20-2012, 09:09 PM

I was just sayin some avice is good and some is bad...you came to the right place for knowledge

**Sgt. Hartman** · 01-20-2012, 09:18 PM

Luis there's a no flaming rule here. From the looks of your other posts you won't be around much longer anyway.

**horizon** · 01-20-2012, 09:51 PM

Thanks everyone... Except for Luis who obviously has some personal issues.

RA · 01-20-2012, 09:54 PM

Good luck bro...hope your diet is in check...that matters even more than gear

Originally Posted by horizon

Thanks everyone... Except for Luis who obviously has some personal issues.

**GearGirl** · 01-21-2012, 01:00 AM

Agreed! 90% of your success is going to fall on your diet.

**Stosh_112** · 01-21-2012, 01:42 AM

PCT week 12-15. thats a total of 4 wks. But u have listed Clomid- 100 50 25 25 25. That comes out to five wks. Which is it 4 wks or 5 wks for PCT???

**Honkey_Kong** · 01-21-2012, 01:42 AM

Horizon are you sure 150mg 2x a week of cypionate is going to be enough to give you the results you're looking for?

**RuckusDC5** · 01-21-2012, 03:34 AM

Now make sure your diet is in check !!

**horizon** · 01-21-2012, 09:54 AM

Diet is check for sure...I did not want to use gear but got stuck on results. My dose of text cyp. is based on initial lab work and two follow labs over past 6 weeks. Yes planning 5 weeks of pct. I was debating four as my test dose is not that high and i doubt I have shut down my axis. My question about novalox still confuses me. If there is not enough estrogen in the pct to cause gynecomastia and no need to use arimedex, Then How is there enough estrogen to block the axis ( hypothalamus and pituitary) and need novalox? I under stand why we use nova, but the poor comments don't correlate to above reasoning. Like I posted first cycle newbie here and I have read all the stickies.

**horizon** · 01-21-2012, 11:48 AM

I figured it out... During pct I'm not taking test so there is no reason tho stop the conv to estrogen with arimedex. However since I was on test during the cycle i have some estrogen in my blood then I need to to block it at the axis. That makes sense now. I guessing that arimedex during the cycle does not stop all the conversion of test to estrogen.