Npp or deca?

[Mr.xman]

I put together this cycle after month of research, but was wondering if anyone has had experience with Npp. I planned on running Test E, dbol, deca/npp ,and masteron. I know that Test E has a long ester. As well as the Npp. Is it ok to run a long ester with a short? Alot of ppl say to run Test prop if I'm goin to run the npp. I just don't want to jab so much. I know that the npp is fast acting compared to the deca. Since I'm running dbol as a kickstart . Should I just go with deca? Thanks for any info. I'm 30 , 5'11", 170.5lbs.

Cycle looks like this.
1-12 test e 600mg week
1-4 dbol 30-50mg Ed
1-10 Npp 300mg week
8-12 masteron 400mgs week

[marcus300]

Test E doesnt have a short ester,

cycle experience?

At 170lbs I think you need to put on some natural mass before attacking any steroids. Head over to the diet section and post your diet

[Sgt. Hartman]

I don't see why there would be more pinning if you run prop instead of test e as you could just pin your prop with the npp. EOD is fine for prop and npp and really isn't that much pinning.

As far as deca vs npp, deca bloats me like no other and I have no intentions of ever running it again, I love me some npp though.

You should get your diet sorted first though, 170 is very light for your height and you could probably make good natural gains with just a good nutrition and training program. Save the cycle for when you reach a plateau with your gains.

[D7M]

What were your previous cycles?

Test is a long ester, not short.

And if you don't want to pin alot, then obviously go with deca.

[Bossman]

what is your cycle experience?

[Userat204]

Time to research again. You probably don't need a cycle to begin with. build some natural mass first. If you can't eat to gain natural, it will be hard to gain on cycle and even more difficult to retain any after pct. You also want a good amount of time natural to build some tendon strength before cycling to help prevent injury.

[Mr.xman]

Test E doesnt have a short ester,

cycle experience?

At 170lbs I think you need to put on some natural mass before attacking any steroids. Head over to the diet section and post your diet

This is my first cycle. I'm normally 190 -200lbs.I've been doing a lot of traveling this year. My diet hasn't been the best , but I am working on it.

[marcus300]

This is my first cycle. I'm normally 190 -200lbs.I've been doing a lot of traveling this year. My diet hasn't been the best , but I am working on it.

Don't start any kind of cycle until your 200lbs again,

Then your first cycle should be test only.

[Mr.xman]

I don't see why there would be more pinning if you run prop instead of test e as you could just pin your prop with the npp. EOD is fine for prop and npp and really isn't that much pinning.

As far as deca vs npp, deca bloats me like no other and I have no intentions of ever running it again, I love me some npp though.

You should get your diet sorted first though, 170 is very light for your height and you could probably make good natural gains with just a good nutrition and training program. Save the cycle for when you reach a plateau with your gains.

Thanks for the advice . Yea I'm normally 190-200 lbs with about 8-10 %bf. I've been traveling a lot for work and it has affected my diet. The test prop that I have is 50mg . So I would need to inject more. Unless I got a 100mg of prop.

[Mr.xman]

What were your previous cycles?

Test is a long ester, not short.

And if you don't want to pin alot, then obviously go with deca.

My first cycle was Test cyp 1-12. 600mg a week. Weight after cycle 208.

[DanB]

This is my first cycle. I'm normally 190 -200lbs.I've been doing a lot of traveling this year. My diet hasn't been the best , but I am working on it.

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[Mr.xman]

what is your cycle experience?

This is my 2nd cycle. 1st was a Test c only . I put on a decent amount of weight. Weighing in at 212. I'm normally around 190-200. My work schedule has me traveling around the world. It has affected my diet. So I'm trying to get all back.

[DanB]

My first cycle was Test cyp 1-12. 600mg a week. Weight after cycle 208.

so which is it then first or second cycle?

[DanB]

This is my 2nd cycle. 1st was a Test c only . I put on a decent amount of weight. Weighing in at 212. I'm normally around 190-200. My work schedule has me traveling around the world. It has affected my diet. So I'm trying to get all back.

i like how ur cycle gained 4 lbs in as many minutes

[Bossman]

This is my 2nd cycle. 1st was a Test c only . I put on a decent amount of weight. Weighing in at 212. I'm normally around 190-200. My work schedule has me traveling around the world. It has affected my diet. So I'm trying to get all back.

Hard to train, eat and cycle with a hectic schedule. Leave it until your settled and as was stated, until you get back the size you lost. Easy to regain lost muscle with proper training and diet.

[tomt45]

So you are normally 190-200 with 8-10%bf. What is your bf now? Cause if it is still around there that means you have lost 20-30lbs of muscle. Get your diet and routine back on a consistent schedule otherwise you will achieve nothing from a cycle. You might get some minimal gains but you will most likely lose it all. I imagine it would be tough to live this lifestyle if you are traveling all the time but if you can't commit 100% to this as a lifestyle you probably should use steroids yet.

If you were 200 with 8-10% bf that means that at that time you must have been doing things right. That is a solid weight and bf% for your height.

Get yourself back in the routine and gain some naturally first. If you wait until you do that first you will get way better gains and be much more likely to keep those gains.

Good luck man

[Mr.xman]

so which is it then first or second cycle?

Sorry for not being a little more detailed tired. Just got back from a long trip. My max weight after my first cycle was about 212. I was able to cut down to 208. I was around 190 before my first cycle . I ran test cyp for 12 weeks at 600 mg a week. So I figure I would try a couple bulking compounds with test this time. I chose dbol to kick start the cycle . And I knew that deca is a good bulker , but it has slightly more sides than Npp. Plus , Npp is faster acting. I guess my question Is .would this be a good 2nd cycle with a combination of a good steady diet?

[tomt45]

If I were going to do NPP I would do it with prop not test e. If you are going to do it with test e I would wait a few weeks into the test before you start the NPP. If you don't want to do the frequent injections then test e and deca would be the way to go. It is a good bulking cycle. It is exactly what I did for my second cycle. I ran 500mg of test e and 400 mg of deca per week for 12 weeks. I also used to dbol to kickstart my cycle. I would skip the masteron. IMO you should really only use masteron in a cutting cycle where you already have low bf%. It is a great for competitive bodybuilders right before a competition. I don't think you will notice much from it at all especially in a bulking cycle.

Will you be running an ai? Cause you should.

What is your plan for pct?

After you complete your cycle is your work schedule still going to be really hectic because if so you will probably lose nearly all your gains.

[Userat204]

Good advice above. But deca doesn't have more sides than npp. Deca is npp with a different ester. Others may disagree but ester does not change the hormone, it's simply a mechanism for time release. Rapid release Tylenol doesn't have more or less sides then regular Tylenol.

I love both deca and NPP but to me they are exactly the same other than pinning. I would also try and get your weight back up. If you live a busy life style with constant travel, I'm not sure how you plan to run a cycle anyway, you can't take it with you. I can understand being busy. I have a family(one child) and work two jobs (by choice) so I work 40-80 hours every week on top of keeping up with family. Luckily I have a full gym at work but more importantly I pack meals to take to work to eat before and after lunch and hit the gym right before or after work. You have to find ways to make it work.