Any experienced users familiar with 15 week cycle at 600mg+

[Sly_theCat]

Looking for anyone thats done a 15plus week of testosterone . with EQ as well.

[markdbg]

yes, whats ur question?

[BBrian]

Same here, minus the equipoise .

[redz]

EQ is worthless I got nothing from it even at 600mg/week for 15 weeks. Whats your stats and cycle history?

[18yearsoldlean]

When you quit gaining then you should stop

[redz]

When you quit gaining then you should stop

You should plan a cycle and not abuse steroids unless you plan on TRT for life.

[markdbg]

dont want to start another debate red, but u should state that in your opinion eq is worthless. its one of my fav compounds

and yes it is best to plan a cycle. but i wouldnt say thats abusing steroids is just a long cycle and theres much more risks to "abusing steroids.

but yes OP. what is your question, how old are you? years of training? current weight and height? bodyfat %? why do u want to run a cycle?

[redz]

I`ll re-state what i said, for me and every other person I know in real life that has used EQ it was worthless. Also many on this board share this opinion but I am saying from my own experience it is by far the weakest compound I have tried.

[Times Roman]

Welcome to the board mate!
I see there are others that don't have a high opinion of EQ. Someone here talked me out of an EQ stack, and so I ran Deca instead. Quite happy with the deca.
Good luck!
---Roman

[Noles12]

Yes i have run a 15 week cycle. Personally i dont prefer them. I like shorter esters and shorter cycles but that is just me. Depending on what i am running i usually see a drop off in gains by that point

[t-gunz]

yep done 16 week cycles before.

but this is not done on first few cycles till you get some experince and how you can handle sides


if you want help. then tell us your stats

age
height
weight
bf%
years training.

i left my crystal ball at home :P

[baseline_9]

After 8 weeks my gains slow... even on long esters

I have done a 16 weeker, wished I had just done 2 x 8 week cycles


My cycles will always now be 8 weeks max.... above 8 weeks blasting and cruising is probably the best way

[PT]

i always had to increase my dose when i got into the 16 plus week range. the results slowed and the only way i was able to gain was by raising the doses. i dont do long cycles anymore but ii did many in my time. as for EQ, i will take Deca anyday over it when im bulking but when im trying to cut the water it seems to work well with masterone and winny for me

[The Bear 79]

dont want to start another debate red, but u should state that in your opinion eq is worthless. its one of my fav compounds

and yes it is best to plan a cycle. but i wouldnt say thats abusing steroids is just a long cycle and theres much more risks to "abusing steroids.

but yes OP. what is your question, how old are you? years of training? current weight and height? bodyfat %? why do u want to run a cycle?

That would b fine if it weren't 100% fact & NOT opinion............Eq. is now, always has been, & always will b.................completely & totally WORTHLESS............FACT. Y would 90 + % of every1 that has used that garbage say its worthless if it wasn't? Just 2 get under the skin of the few that cant tell the dif between the gains they're making from Test & say they love Eq.? I dont think so..............Eq. just doesn't do anything, period. Those that think it does r just seeing the results of the other compounds they're running with the Eq. & cant tell the dif.

[alexISthrowed]

That would b fine if it weren't 100% fact & NOT opinion............Eq. is now, always has been, & always will b.................completely & totally WORTHLESS............FACT. Y would 90 + % of every1 that has used that garbage say its worthless if it wasn't? Just 2 get under the skin of the few that cant tell the dif between the gains they're making from Test & say they love Eq.? I dont think so..............Eq. just doesn't do anything, period. Those that think it does r just seeing the results of the other compounds they're running with the Eq. & cant tell the dif.

100% fact would mean you could post a scientific study showing me eq has absolutely zero anabolic effects. It's 150% personal opinion, I still wouldn't waste my money on the stuff but hey that's my PERSONAL OPINION.

[The Bear 79]

Sho me ANY1 that got mor than little bit longer wind out of Eq. & THEN, I will agree that Eq. being worthless is opinion. Fact is there r members here, including myself, that hav run Eq. @ anywhere from 500 mg/wk - 1000 + mg/wk & got nothing mor than the exact same results & side effects they got from running just Test.

[BG]

Sho me ANY1 that got mor than little bit longer wind out of Eq. & THEN, I will agree that Eq. being worthless is opinion. Fact is there r members here, including myself, that hav run Eq. @ anywhere from 500 mg/wk - 1000 + mg/wk & got nothing mor than the exact same results & side effects they got from running just Test.

You must have had shitty gear or or to high of body fat. Ive ran eq with some good results, I was lean and used it to bulk. It actually made me so hungry that I ate so much food I gave myself over active bowl syndrom. Im going to use it with my bulker in Sept, but I definitly wouldnt run it under 800mgs.


As for the OP, 14 weeks would be my max and I would definitly run some hcg during the cycle. Just make sure your lean or you will be disapointed.

[The Bear 79]

You must have had shitty gear or or to high of body fat. Ive ran eq with some good results, I was lean and used it to bulk. It actually made me so hungry that I ate so much food I gave myself over active bowl syndrom. Im going to use it with my bulker in Sept, but I definitly wouldnt run it under 800mgs.


As for the OP, 14 weeks would be my max and I would definitly run some hcg during the cycle. Just make sure your lean or you will be disapointed.

I've NEVER had "to high of body fat" & I never will, & I'm absolutely positive the Eq. was good / legit, it came from the same source & the same lab as the rest of my gear. I wana c some results other than wut Test. offers, every1 that sez they got good results from it, hav never been able sho results above & beyond the realm of Test., they all get the same results they did running just Test.

[alexISthrowed]

I've NEVER had "to high of body fat" & I never will, & I'm absolutely positive the Eq. was good / legit, it came from the same source & the same lab as the rest of my gear. I wana c some results other than wut Test. offers, every1 that sez they got good results from it, hav never been able sho results above & beyond the realm of Test., they all get the same results they did running just Test.

We can clearly see by looking at bg's avatar that he's a beast and he obviously has some knowledge. I am very confident that he could tell the difference between test only and test and eq or any other compound for that matter.

[felk87]

We can clearly see by looking at bg's avatar that he's a beast and he obviously has some knowledge. I am very confident that he could tell the difference between test only and test and eq or any other compound for that matter.

^^^agreed...i think a lot of people that knock eq down have never tried it, they just hear and say, which i think is bs as maybe someone who wants to try it turns away because people tell them them its no good. It think if you read about eq, understand the science behind what its truly suppossed to do, make an educated decision and try it if you feel its worth it.

[The Bear 79]

^^^agreed...i think a lot of people that knock eq down have never tried it, they just hear and say, which i think is bs as maybe someone who wants to try it turns away because people tell them them its no good. It think if you read about eq, understand the science behind what its truly suppossed to do, make an educated decision and try it if you feel its worth it.

MANY members of this board hav used Eq., some even, @ EXTREMELY hi doses, & 90% of them say its garbage.

[Noles12]

This thread is about 15 week cycles. I understand many dont like EQ but nothing of this is really helping the OP. Its just a bunch of arguing on what guys think of EQ.

[alexISthrowed]

What ester test? With a 15 week cycle I would throw in a low dose of proviron , winny, or mast prop for the last 6 weeks for shbg. Make sure you have a solid pct planned.

[rockinred]

15+ weeks are fine depending on the dosage and your experience. I would not suggest you do something like that on your first or second go. Not that it will kill you or anything, but there is much more to learn about how your body will react to compounds, how you will handle your training, how you are going to diet, etc...

15 weeks isn't all that bad...especially if you are running some EQ. You want to run it on a long cycle to get good results.

I run EQ a lot. It is great... I have to run high doses and also run it for a good while. I get real vascular, solid rock hard muscle, a more dry look while on the test, and some good strength. It gives me really high blood pressure and escalates my RBC count. So it has some sides and it isn't considered a super strong compound in the market. But to anyone saying it is just a bunch of junk. Well you know what they say about opinions....well everyone has one you know.

[hankdiesel]

I ran eq in one cycle so that makes me qualified to make the following statement. In my opinion, the people who say they have had good results with eq most likely would've had the same results without the eq. In other words it's the other compounds in the cycle or possibly a much cleaner diet that is making them harder and more vascular. I personally can get hard as hell and very vascular off test only.

[rockinred]

Some of these comments are unbelievable. Come on hank... you've been around for a while. Run it once and that is your expert opinion? I am on cruise and blast right now, you don't think I can tell the difference between the test and other compounds?

So many can't tell the difference when running it. The same can be said about your knowledge of how your body reacts. How about if we change it up and say anyone who doesn't know the affects of EQ in their cycle are rookies and don't know the difference between test/deca /tren /etc...

To the OP, as you can tell in this thread many like it and many don't... so take at your own monetary risk. Some compounds don't have the same effect on people as they do others. Blanket statements about a compound being worthless because they ran it once or heard through the grapevine just shows ignorance. A better statement is, "it did nothing for me, but others really like it". Not "it does nothing for me, so whoever states that it does work is just ignorant and doesn't know shit about what they are talking about". lol

[The Bear 79]

It doesn't matter how many times u run it or @ wut dose, its gona do the exact same thing every time.....................NOTHING! Ur not gona get dif results from the exact same compound just cuz u run mor than once........its still the same compound.

[BG]

It doesn't matter how many times u run it or @ wut dose, its gona do the exact same thing every time.....................NOTHING! Ur not gona get dif results from the exact same compound just cuz u run mor than once........its still the same compound.

This is one of the stupidest things Ive heard in a while.

[rockinred]

It doesn't matter how many times u run it or @ wut dose, its gona do the exact same thing every time.....................NOTHING! Ur not gona get dif results from the exact same compound just cuz u run mor than once........its still the same compound.

Because the Bear said so! Listen up everyone the Bear is speaking and that's final!

I think I read on another thread that you are arguing on so adamantly that you ran 3 cycles over the course of 5-6 years. I guess that would make you an expert on the subject. You probably have some good things to share, but I would hardly take that experience on "CYCLES" something I would run to the bank on.

So happy lifting and hopefully the OP got enough info and debate to make his OWN educated decision.

[The Bear 79]

Y dont u sho / prove wut makes it stupid................

[BG]

Because the Bear said so! Listen up everyone the Bear is speaking and that's final!

I think I read on another thread that you are arguing on so adamantly that you ran 3 cycles over the course of 5-6 years.

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Those must have some long cycles with lots of compounds for the amount of expert experience he has.......

[The Bear 79]

U don't ahv 2 run a compound hundreds of times 2 kno wut ur talkin bout.

[The Bear 79]

Just as I suspected BG, u cant prove wut part of my claim, if ANY, is "stupid" cuz u kno its tru. Ur 1 of the few here I respect enuf not 2 argue with, a debate is 1 thing, but ur obviously getting agitated & turning 2 personal attacks, so b4 I lose that respect 4 u, I'm out.

[rockinred]

U don't ahv 2 run a compound hundreds of times 2 kno wut ur talkin bout.

I agree... Look man. This is the gist. You guys are making allegations on this thread to a few of us that we don't know the difference in compounds that we are talking about and giving advice on. That's what's stirring shit up. You don't like it fine. But to say it doesn't have a place in anyone else's routine is just flat out wrong and we are trying to let you and any one else that reads this know. It might not be a good choice for you. Hell, I am not big on DBOL because I get bad back pumps and couldn't even finish a work out. I would never get on here and say it is shit and not to use it because I know darn well many really like it and don't get that same affect that I did. To just blanket say that and then take shots at us who have ran it and found a place for it in routine is discrediting yourself man.

[BG]

U don't ahv 2 run a compound hundreds of times 2 kno wut ur talkin bout.

What do tou mean man? I cant believe you cant fathom what we are talking about. How many times have you ran it? What if yours was underdosed or maybe you diet/bf werent in check......you cant just say a compound doesnt work. Everybodys different. Maybe after my show Ill have to run some just to prove you wrong. My body will perfectly conditioned for it. BTW how old are you? You talk/type like a 12 year old girl !

[The Bear 79]

I agree... Look man. This is the gist. You guys are making allegations on this thread to a few of us that we don't know the difference in compounds that we are talking about and giving advice on. That's what's stirring shit up. You don't like it fine. But to say it doesn't have a place in anyone else's routine is just flat out wrong and we are trying to let you and any one else that reads this know. It might not be a good choice for you. Hell, I am not big on DBOL because I get bad back pumps and couldn't even finish a work out. I would never get on here and say it is shit and not to use it because I know darn well many really like it and don't get that same affect that I did. To just blanket say that and then take shots at us who have ran it and found a place for it in routine is discrediting yourself man.

Understood, but keep in mind, were not talkin bout a compound that works but causes pain, were talkin bout a compound that just doesn't do anything except giv u a bit longer wind. And the ratio of those in agreement with me is like 7 or 8 out of 10. That's no coincidence bro, its not just a group of guys intentionally trying 2 get under the skin of any1 that sez they like Eq.

[The Bear 79]

What do tou mean man? I cant believe you cant fathom what we are talking about. How many times have you ran it? What if yours was underdosed or maybe you diet/bf werent in check......you cant just say a compound doesnt work. Everybodys different. Maybe after my show Ill have to run some just to prove you wrong. My body will perfectly conditioned for it. BTW how old are you? You talk/type like a 12 year old girl !

I ran it once. It was not under dosed, I've been dealing with this source & pharmacy for years, it was not under dosed. My diet was / is perfectly tuned in. My BF has never been over 14%. I'm 32, & I only type like this HERE, bcuz its faster & I don't hav 2 b proper here.

[Honkey_Kong]

BG, how much EQ do you run when you run a bulk? And what were all the benefits you got from that compound? Would you say it's better than deca in a bulk?

And sorry about hijacking the thread.

[BG]

BG, how much EQ do you run when you run a bulk? And what were all the benefits you got from that compound? Would you say it's better than deca in a bulk?

And sorry about hijacking the thread.

You have to run 800-1000. I ate like crazy, I have never had that appeatite again. Thats when I gained my most size, Im going to run it again in sept when I do a true bulker. I get realy cut from deca, maybe my diet, not sure but I can get lean on deca.

[Black]

BG, how much EQ do you run when you run a bulk? And what were all the benefits you got from that compound? Would you say it's better than deca in a bulk?

And sorry about hijacking the thread.

I'm not BG, but I've ran both compounds separately. For me, I would choose deca over eq for a bulk. If I were to use eq again, I would definitely use it when cutting to preserve muscle, plus it would have benefits to my cardio and stamina/endurance as well.