Need help... First Cycle - test prop

**Black Pharaoh** · 01-26-2012, 07:30 PM

Hey guys,

I'll be doing my first cycle ever. I've chosen to go with test prop only just as a test run to see how my body reacts to it. just need some advise on doses, pct's etc.
i'll be running the cycle for 10 weeks. My diet is at 1900 calories per day and training 5 days per week, with the sixth day used as a fill in day for my problem areas... maily calves

So this is the cycle I planned out.

1-3 100mgs test prop EOD
3-7 125mgs Test Prop EOD
8-9 100mgs Test prop EOD
10 75mgs Test Prop EOD
11-14 Nolvadex 40/40/20/20

i know these are very low doses. But like i said, I'm treating this as a test run as it is my first time.

My question is can I get away with using nolva only for my pct or should I stack it with something else? Also do I need to run something like arimidex to block estrogen during my cycle? or will i get away with it because these are such low doses?

Im 30yrs old, 5'11", 86kgs, 15% body fat.

Any advise will be great.

**BigGuy90** · 01-26-2012, 10:31 PM

With that calorie deficit and the test I'm guessing you are trying to cut. A lot of people like adding Clomid along with the Nolva for pct, but everybody's own body is different. Some people need aggressive pcts to get there test levels back to normal and some people only take Nolva as PCT. I would just be safe and do the standard Nolva 40/40/20/20 and Clomid 100/50/50/50. You should always run an AI along with your cycle because even though you won't get signs of gyno, excess of estrogen will still be in your body. Swifto had a good post here about using AIs during the cycle. You can either take adex at .25mg ed or aromasin at 10mgs with your cycle to stay safe. Just my .02 bro, goodluck!

**Black Pharaoh** · 01-26-2012, 10:44 PM

Yes, I am using it to cut and try to maintain lean muscle while getting some gains. But as I mentioned before, I'm really only testing it. Hence the low doses.
Problem is I havent been able to get my hands on any climods. Been trying, but so far unsuccessful. That's why I haven't started my cycle just yet.
as for excess estrogen, I know it would be great to run adex during my cycle, but is it completely necessary based on my low doses?

**tomt45** · 01-26-2012, 11:18 PM

I would run an ai if I were you. I think you should run one no matter what.

**Exilus** · 01-26-2012, 11:22 PM

why are you pyramiding the dosage?

calorie intake seems pretty low for a guy of your size. how much deficit per day do you aim?

**Black Pharaoh** · 01-26-2012, 11:31 PM

Thats another question i have. in regards to pyramiding my dose, I've gotten mixed opinions about that. What would be your recommendation? Should I start on my max dose straight up and taper down towards the end of the cycle?

**tomt45** · 01-26-2012, 11:35 PM

I would just stay at the same dose throughout the cycle. Go with 100-125mg eod throughout the whole cycle

**gym_junki** · 01-27-2012, 12:52 AM

Test prop is my fav, I also did this as a first cycle. Stick to the same dose 100-150 through out the cycle.

**Black Pharaoh** · 01-27-2012, 04:25 AM

sorry, not sure what you mean by deficit per day do you aim?

Originally Posted by Exilus

why are you pyramiding the dosage?

calorie intake seems pretty low for a guy of your size. how much deficit per day do you aim?

**stpete** · 01-27-2012, 04:27 AM

No reason to pyramid. I like 150mgs eod for 8-10 weeks. find some clomid as well.

Good Luck

**bigjim407** · 01-27-2012, 04:37 AM

Damn I know a peptide site to get legit Clomid too (Where I get mine) but we can't source drop on here I don't think. Vets correct me if I'm wrong please because I'd like to help him if I can.

**Black Pharaoh** · 01-27-2012, 05:46 AM

Bro, i live in Australia. It's a bit hard to come by the good stuff that you can get in the States. I've read heaps of forums and I know what would be ideal. It's just hard to source. Thanks for your help though.

Originally Posted by bigjim407

Damn I know a peptide site to get legit Clomid too (Where I get mine) but we can't source drop on here I don't think. Vets correct me if I'm wrong please because I'd like to help him if I can.

**Black Pharaoh** · 01-27-2012, 05:50 AM

With all the advise that I've been given, I think I might get rid of the pyramid and do 125mgs eod for the whole cycle. Might have to re-plan my cycle as I only have 30mls (100mg/ml), so with that dose, should be a perfect 8 weeks. As for clomid, I found a guy that has some today. The douchbag wants $10 per cap... Prices in Australia are insane! Thanks for your help though my dude.

Originally Posted by stpete

No reason to pyramid. I like 150mgs eod for 8-10 weeks. find some clomid as well.

Good Luck

**Black Pharaoh** · 01-27-2012, 06:00 AM

Also I was planning on taking it EOD, can that be Monday, Wednesday and Friday of every week or does it actually have to be every other day as in Monday, Wednesday, friday, Sunday, tuesday... and so on? I know the prop is a short acting test, however it does stay in the system for up to 72hours, so I'm thinking I can skip the weekends...? Thoughts?

**Black Pharaoh** · 01-27-2012, 06:04 AM

An AI would be awesome to run with the cycle, but very hard to source down here in Australia. Also prices are thru the roof. It would be ideal to run adex with my cycle, especially to try and keep as much of my gains as possible. but it's not an option. That's why I was asking if I could get away with doing the above cycle... Thanks for your help bro. I'll keep looking for it.

Originally Posted by BigGuy90

With that calorie deficit and the test I'm guessing you are trying to cut. A lot of people like adding Clomid along with the Nolva for pct, but everybody's own body is different. Some people need aggressive pcts to get there test levels back to normal and some people only take Nolva as PCT. I would just be safe and do the standard Nolva 40/40/20/20 and Clomid 100/50/50/50. You should always run an AI along with your cycle because even though you won't get signs of gyno, excess of estrogen will still be in your body. Swifto had a good post here about using AIs during the cycle. You can either take adex at .25mg ed or aromasin at 10mgs with your cycle to stay safe. Just my .02 bro, goodluck!

**wham_sucker** · 01-27-2012, 06:05 AM

Why would you want to skip the weekends? Do it every other day, every day is better and halve the dosage but it depends if you can handle sticking yourself all the time !

**Black Pharaoh** · 01-27-2012, 06:11 AM

Sticking myself is not a problem. I'm a paramedic, so that's no issue. However, I only have 30ml. So 1.25ml 3 times a week will just be enough for 8 weeks. I can get more, but like I said, its my first cycle and I just wanna play it safe and keep the doses low... or am I wrong? Your thoughts?

Originally Posted by wham_sucker

Why would you want to skip the weekends? Do it every other day, every day is better and halve the dosage but it depends if you can handle sticking yourself all the time !

**gixxerboy1** · 01-27-2012, 09:34 AM

yes get an ai. Yes get clomid. If you cant afford the cycle then dont run it.
8 weeks for test prop is fine.
Keep the dosage the same through out.
Your dose isnt that low. Its fine.
Whats your tde? Someone already mention that 1900 seemed like a big calorie deficit.