Injection Sites... Is there a difference?

[Black Pharaoh]

Hey all,

I've posted a couple of questions on here about my planned cycle etc.
I started me cycle yesterday using test prop. First administration was in my delt at 125mg. I was wondering about a few things...

1. As most of the time I will be sticking myself, does it really make a difference where you inject in regards to the test taking effect. for example, will the test be more effective to be administered in the glutes vs the quads? Or does it really not make a difference? Reason is It's a bit hard to pull back on the plunger if your sticking yourself in the glutes. (Might be easy for you guys, but this is my first time)

2. How long does it generally take for test prop "kick in", if that makes any sense? When will I feel enhanced strength and weight gains?

3. "Test flu", I'm starting to develop symptoms and I can feel it coming on. How long does it last and is there anything I can tack apart from your usual vit C and paracetamol's etc.

Thanks for your help guys.

[kanamesan]

1. no it really doesn't matter (my friend charlie said that)
2. from my understanding it takes about 2-3 weeks for prop. to kick in

[acidking]

if you inject in bigger muscles, like the quad, it'd take longer for all the load to get into your system (could take 4-7 days), because when you inject into a muscle, that muscle acts like reservoir and releases the load slowly into the blood, that's why it's not advisable to inject into a vein or an artery, although some hardcore users do (some even inject directly into the rectum, ouch!). But in terms of local effect? No it makes no difference with testosterone, unlike the case with rhIGF-1, with testosterone the muscle you inject tests into don't actually get a more share of the load.

[Black Pharaoh]

if you inject in bigger muscles, like the quad, it'd take longer for all the load to get into your system (could take 4-7 days), because when you inject into a muscle, that muscle acts like reservoir and releases the load slowly into the blood, that's why it's not advisable to inject into a vein or an artery, although some hardcore users do (some even inject directly into the rectum, ouch!). But in terms of local effect? No it makes no difference with testosterone, unlike the case with rhIGF-1, with testosterone the muscle you inject tests into don't actually get a more share of the load.

If that's the case, prop is a short acting ester lasting for 72 hours. So if I was to inject it into a bigger muscle and it takes 4-7 days to get into my system as you claim, wouldn't that make it counter productive???

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[acidking]

For a short ester I suppose yes, and it depends on the user if they'd like to get a quicker effect. But I don't know if it's different for smaller muscles like the delts and how long it'd take to release all the load, I haven't tried injecting in other than the quads. I personally still feel the bump where i injected for up to 6 days. The glute is a big muscle as well.

[gixxerboy1]

if you inject in bigger muscles, like the quad, it'd take longer for all the load to get into your system (could take 4-7 days), because when you inject into a muscle, that muscle acts like reservoir and releases the load slowly into the blood, that's why it's not advisable to inject into a vein or an artery, although some hardcore users do (some even inject directly into the rectum, ouch!). But in terms of local effect? No it makes no difference with testosterone, unlike the case with rhIGF-1, with testosterone the muscle you inject tests into don't actually get a more share of the load.

You need to STOP giving out advice when you dont know what your talking about.

[ghettoboyd]

If that's the case, prop is a short acting ester lasting for 72 hours. So if I was to inject it into a bigger muscle and it takes 4-7 days to get into my system as you claim, wouldn't that make it counter productive???

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ive done a few cycles with prop and ive alwas started to feel it after the first week....i dont believe that larger muscles take longer for the test to absorbe i believe all injections in any muscle absorbe at the same rate because the ester dictates this....i have nothing to prove this its what i belive to be true through my experiance...i dont know of anyone who injects strait into a vein or rectom that absurd...acidking bro wtf?....your kidding right?...

[acidking]

You need to STOP giving out advice when you dont know what your talking about.

And you need to get off my back!

[Userat204]

No it does not matter. All AAS, including long esters will start to release and increase serum T levels in the first 48 hours. With a long ester, it's in depot longer and takes a little longer for the ester to cleave and release the entire dose.

I inject delts, subQ in stomach, and traps. I've never noticed any difference. There are some studies that say glutes will produce the highest total T levels, but I'm guessing they would be similar to SubQ injects due to a little slower absorption being areas with lower amounts of blood vessels.

So overall it makes no difference and you would not feel any difference.

I personally do not like the term KICK IN for any AAS, because they don't. They all start to release almost immediately but depending on the ester, some take longer to release the full injection amount so all are working a short time after inject. Even with prop, it still takes time to build serum levels to a point that is good for building muscle. And it simply takes time to build muscle so you have a waiting period. Things like dbol aromatize so quickly that you start to gain weight fast but it's water first, then muscle.

[Black Pharaoh]

I know I'm new to this bro, but for real... that didn't sound right at all... No offence.

if you inject in bigger muscles, like the quad, it'd take longer for all the load to get into your system (could take 4-7 days), because when you inject into a muscle, that muscle acts like reservoir and releases the load slowly into the blood, that's why it's not advisable to inject into a vein or an artery, although some hardcore users do (some even inject directly into the rectum, ouch!). But in terms of local effect? No it makes no difference with testosterone, unlike the case with rhIGF-1, with testosterone the muscle you inject tests into don't actually get a more share of the load.

[gixxerboy1]

And you need to get off my back!

No actually i dont. Telling someone they can inject in vein is very dangerous. Nobody does that. Some is going to end up listening to you and get hurt. I will not allow you to hurt someone because your stupid or are joking and think its funny

[Black Pharaoh]

No actually i dont. Telling someone they can inject in vein is very dangerous. Nobody does that. Some is going to end up listening to you and get hurt. I will not allow you to hurt someone because your stupid or are joking and think its funny

Thank you!!

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[redz]

And you need to get off my back!

We are trying to help people here and what you had to contribute was in no way helpful and in fact negligent. If you continue to post like that your time here will likely be short.

[thex95]

if you inject in bigger muscles, like the quad, it'd take longer for all the load to get into your system (could take 4-7 days), because when you inject into a muscle, that muscle acts like reservoir and releases the load slowly into the blood, that's why it's not advisable to inject into a vein or an artery, although some hardcore users do (some even inject directly into the rectum, ouch!). But in terms of local effect? No it makes no difference with testosterone, unlike the case with rhIGF-1, with testosterone the muscle you inject tests into don't actually get a more share of the load.

are you kidding me?

[Black Pharaoh]

No it does not matter. All AAS, including long esters will start to release and increase serum T levels in the first 48 hours. With a long ester, it's in depot longer and takes a little longer for the ester to cleave and release the entire dose.

I inject delts, subQ in stomach, and traps. I've never noticed any difference. There are some studies that say glutes will produce the highest total T levels, but I'm guessing they would be similar to SubQ injects due to a little slower absorption being areas with lower amounts of blood vessels.

So overall it makes no difference and you would not feel any difference.

I personally do not like the term KICK IN for any AAS, because they don't. They all start to release almost immediately but depending on the ester, some take longer to release the full injection amount so all are working a short time after inject. Even with prop, it still takes time to build serum levels to a point that is good for building muscle. And it simply takes time to build muscle so you have a waiting period. Things like dbol aromatize so quickly that you start to gain weight fast but it's water first, then muscle.

Thank you. Finally some proper advise. The delt shot was fine. It was sore for 24 hours and then good to go. I was thinking of a quad shot tonight... See how I go. Cheers for your time mate!

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[acidking]

No actually i dont. Telling someone they can inject in vein is very dangerous. Nobody does that. Some is going to end up listening to you and get hurt. I will not allow you to hurt someone because your stupid or are joking and think its funny

Are you crook eyed or what? read again, I said it's NOT advisable to inject in the vein.

[Black Pharaoh]

So any advise about the so called "test flu"?

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[thex95]

Are you crook eyed or what? read again, I said it's NOT advisable to inject in the vein.

dude let me give you some advice, you don't want to be flaming anyone, ESPECIALLY a vet like gixx. It didn't work out too well for the last guy.

[acidking]

Thanks scotts, I'll keep that in mind.

[gixxerboy1]

Are you crook eyed or what? read again, I said it's NOT advisable to inject in the vein.

no i can read you said hard core guys do it. Nobody does. Its deadly. And the rectum? Where do you come ujp with this crap. Yuor diet advice and cycle advice has all been wrong. Plenty of people have proved it and so do your pics of your results.

[Far from massive]

Usually I agree completely with the staff and their actions, however this time I am at a loss why this guy is still posting...You got a lot more patience and kindness than I do Gixxer.

[JohnnyVegas]

Just to add consensus to the proper advice given above:

1. Doesn't matter where you inject.

2. Prop kick in one to two weeks (everyone is different)

3. What you have could be sickness not associated with your injection, and will pass in a few days. Or, it is "test flu"...and will pass in a few days.

[Far from massive]

To the OP,

Although there may be some slight difference in absorption in different muscle groups if any the difference at all, then it is small and likely attributed to differences in the amount of blood flow the depot is subjected to.

However as you may have noticed by now next day pain with Prop at the injection site is generally considered a lot more important than site efficiency. To minimize this you will find glutes the least painfull of all sites and also you will want to use as many sites as you can since you will be injecting frequently ( most prefer daily injections with prop).

Anywhere from a week to 2.5 wks you will be feeling it.

[Far from massive]

Agreed with Johnny Vegas on Test Flu in general, however my best friend had it nonstop for his first 3 cycles with prop so as with kick in times everyone is different.

[upperhandy]

if you inject in bigger muscles, like the quad, it'd take longer for all the load to get into your system (could take 4-7 days), because when you inject into a muscle, that muscle acts like reservoir and releases the load slowly into the blood, that's why it's not advisable to inject into a vein or an artery, although some hardcore users do (some even inject directly into the rectum, ouch!). But in terms of local effect? No it makes no difference with testosterone, unlike the case with rhIGF-1, with testosterone the muscle you inject tests into don't actually get a more share of the load.

WTF? and you are giving people advice.....

Caveat emptor people ...
Caveat emptor

[acidking]

no i can read you said hard core guys do it. Nobody does. Its deadly. And the rectum? Where do you come ujp with this crap.

perhaps nobody in your local church do it, but i've been to every corner of the world, gym stories, people talk, i've heard of freaks who do it ... you need to get out of your hole and travel more often. But again, it is dangerous ... I am just sharing.

[Noles12]

if you inject in bigger muscles, like the quad, it'd take longer for all the load to get into your system (could take 4-7 days), because when you inject into a muscle, that muscle acts like reservoir and releases the load slowly into the blood, that's why it's not advisable to inject into a vein or an artery, although some hardcore users do (some even inject directly into the rectum, ouch!). But in terms of local effect? No it makes no difference with testosterone, unlike the case with rhIGF-1, with testosterone the muscle you inject tests into don't actually get a more share of the load.

Please stop with your ridiculous advice. I dont know what hardcore users you know that inject in veins and their rectum. Your "advice" you have been giving is dangerous and wrong. The amount of time in which the hormone is released is dependent on the ester. The muscle being bigger does not dictate the amount of time it takes to absorb

[JohnnyVegas]

Agreed with Johnny Vegas on Test Flu in general, however my best friend had it nonstop for his first 3 cycles with prop so as with kick in times everyone is different.

That sounds rough!

[Bonaparte]

It won't make a noticeable difference what muscle you pin.

And acidking, it isn't just Gixxer. We all despise you and your terrible advice.
Nobody injects oils intravenously. You've obviously never done it, or you'd know why.

[gixxerboy1]

perhaps nobody in your local church do it, but i've been to every corner of the world, gym stories, people talk, i've heard of freaks who do it ... you need to get out of your hole and travel more often. But again, it is dangerous ... I am just sharing.

no you just believe bullshit stories that you heard.
Stop trying to defend your post like you do in every other thread.

[Noles12]

Larger muscles with better bloodflow actually allow the hormone to absorb a bit faster (higher peak concentrations). But it won't make a noticeable difference.

x2. The few things i have seen show a very minor difference in absorption in terms of the size of the muscle with the larger muscles being slightly higher

[alexISthrowed]

It won't make a noticeable difference what muscle you pin.

And acidking, it isn't just Gixxer. We all despise you and your terrible advice.
Nobody injects oils intravenously. You've obviously never done it, or you'd know why.

I iv tren, don't see the problem, I get mega jacked before I crush the weights. (SARCASM)

[stpete]

perhaps nobody in your local church do it, but i've been to every corner of the world, gym stories, people talk, i've heard of freaks who do it ... you need to get out of your hole and travel more often. But again, it is dangerous ... I am just sharing.

Where you located? Want to make sure i stay far away...Please stop sharing!

[Bonaparte]

I iv tren, don't see the problem, I get mega jacked before I crush the weights.

You need to make the joke more obvious. I don't want some tool actually trying this.

[Noles12]

I iv tren, don't see the problem, I get mega jacked before I crush the weights.

I couldnt even imagine an intravenous injection of tren. Just nicking a vein when injecting tren sends me into a coughing frenzy with cold sweats

[alexISthrowed]

You need to make the joke more obvious. I don't want some tool actually trying this.

Yes that would not be good.

[Far from massive]

That sounds rough!

Funny thing is he has been body building since we were 18, is a old school biker, ex gang member the whole Billy bas ass deal so whenever we bullshit around and he starts talking shit about his lifts of my lack growth and the like I can fire back at least I don't get test flu for weeks on end on a 400 mg cycle :-)

[upperhandy]

I iv tren, don't see the problem, I get mega jacked before I crush the weights.

hahahahahhahahhaaahha

[gixxerboy1]

again this is acid king
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...r#.TybUZIH6KJp

[thex95]

I think everyone should look at acidking's photos before taking his advice. I mean I am not going to take dancing lessons from stephen hawking, same logic applies here.